If I remember correctly, WSEX once refunded a number of losing bets on an obvious bad line. It was some total that should have been way higher than it was, and most of their action was on the over. The number amazingly landed on the under, but WSEX refunded the losing bets because the line was bad, a move that cost them money. I don't know of any other book that has done that, so I think they should be given the benefit of the doubt unless the facts say otherwise. I also think it is unfair to say that WSEX would have kept the money if the bet had lost since their track record contradicts that assertion.
C.M.
C.M.
My opinion is the same as many others in this thread. If the bet would have lost Wsex would have kept the money. This time the bet won by the player, so pay the player. He put the bets in before game time, so pay the man. Scary but I have to agree with Beantownjim in one of his points. It doesnt matter if the guy only bet $100 per game and then made this bet for 40dimes. His past betting has nothing to do with this situation at all. I know people who have never bet over a nickel a game and all of a sudden throw down 20dimes on one game. The money was real in his account, the bet was real, now give the gentleman his money.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wilheim:
I wish it was that simple. Have you read the entire thread? Revere made a concerted effort to make bets he know would never be accepted by telephone. He made over 130 bets, changing amounts each time so the software would take them. He is obviously well aware that WSEX has an overnight limit of $500. Does he respect that, no, instead he bets $300 then $30 then $400 etc. up to $40,000, it took him over 2 hours. Think about it for a minute. Anyone with an once of honesty in him, would have called the book and said how much can I have on Manchester plus 120?
Get an answer and say OK where are going with the game now? Then if he wanted the next number bet the game again for as much as they wanted. Maybe you have never bet large amounts but that is how it is done. You ask a book how much they will take over their limit and decide if you want it.
wil.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes he did spend 2 hours putting in the bets, but the fact remains the bets won and he should get paid. If the bets did NOT win I am pretty sure that he would not have come on this forum asking Wsex to refund 39500 of his money since he should have only put in 1 $500 bet. Everyone here would tell the guy to go **** himself and it's just too bad that he lost. He put in 40K worth of bets so thats what should stand.
I wish it was that simple. Have you read the entire thread? Revere made a concerted effort to make bets he know would never be accepted by telephone. He made over 130 bets, changing amounts each time so the software would take them. He is obviously well aware that WSEX has an overnight limit of $500. Does he respect that, no, instead he bets $300 then $30 then $400 etc. up to $40,000, it took him over 2 hours. Think about it for a minute. Anyone with an once of honesty in him, would have called the book and said how much can I have on Manchester plus 120?
Get an answer and say OK where are going with the game now? Then if he wanted the next number bet the game again for as much as they wanted. Maybe you have never bet large amounts but that is how it is done. You ask a book how much they will take over their limit and decide if you want it.
wil.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes he did spend 2 hours putting in the bets, but the fact remains the bets won and he should get paid. If the bets did NOT win I am pretty sure that he would not have come on this forum asking Wsex to refund 39500 of his money since he should have only put in 1 $500 bet. Everyone here would tell the guy to go **** himself and it's just too bad that he lost. He put in 40K worth of bets so thats what should stand.
Wil - you are making excuses for the book, give over.
As regards to taking him 2 hours to place the bets, who gives a **** if it takes him ten hours, he got his bets down before the game and steve shit himself, steve could have managed this one a hell of alot better, there were several options he could have taken....
As regards to taking him 2 hours to place the bets, who gives a **** if it takes him ten hours, he got his bets down before the game and steve shit himself, steve could have managed this one a hell of alot better, there were several options he could have taken....
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Uncle Butternutts:
nets2k2
And everyone is welcome to their opinion.
My opinion, the guy spent 2 hours circumventing the overnight limits on the game. He has no right to the 40 grand.
Just my opinion.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wsex has been in this business for quite a while now. It is their fault if a guy can put in as many bets as he wants. They saw the guys bets 30 minutes before the game started. They waited till AFTER the game to cancel it. Like someone else said in this thread, they waited till AFTER the game to decide how much action he should have had. If Wsex only wanted to take 5k action on that bet from the gentleman then they should have canceled 35K worth of bets BEFORE the game started and try to notify him. If they cant get through leave a message somewhere in his betting account that is timestamped so he can see it when he logs in. Then the man would have only 5k on the game and then he could argue all he wants, but would have no case. But they did not do that. They waited till after the game, so they tried to take a shot at him and would have kept the money if it lost. Instead the bet won, so pay the guy. Simple as that.
nets2k2
And everyone is welcome to their opinion.
My opinion, the guy spent 2 hours circumventing the overnight limits on the game. He has no right to the 40 grand.
Just my opinion.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wsex has been in this business for quite a while now. It is their fault if a guy can put in as many bets as he wants. They saw the guys bets 30 minutes before the game started. They waited till AFTER the game to cancel it. Like someone else said in this thread, they waited till AFTER the game to decide how much action he should have had. If Wsex only wanted to take 5k action on that bet from the gentleman then they should have canceled 35K worth of bets BEFORE the game started and try to notify him. If they cant get through leave a message somewhere in his betting account that is timestamped so he can see it when he logs in. Then the man would have only 5k on the game and then he could argue all he wants, but would have no case. But they did not do that. They waited till after the game, so they tried to take a shot at him and would have kept the money if it lost. Instead the bet won, so pay the guy. Simple as that.
Instead of spending a million dollars on attorneys for that scumbag Cohen, they should spend 10.00 an hour for a grave yard supervisor. Ive always said Wsex is a joke. Something like this would NEVER happen at a respectable place like PINNACLE, they move there lines, Wsex arent real bookmakers, they are basically an online casino and poker book.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If Wsex only wanted to take 5k action on that bet from the gentleman then they should have canceled 35K worth of bets BEFORE the game started and try to notify him. If they cant get through leave a message somewhere in his betting account that is timestamped so he can see it when he logs in. Then the man would have only 5k on the game and then he could argue all he wants, but would have no case. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Very good points as well. Thanks.
Very good points as well. Thanks.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wsexsteve:
Uncle B,
He has not called yet. I am going to bed soon because I was awakened at 6 30 lol. WSEX will be happy to do the right thing. Is it the right thing to reward a player who takes advantage of a software glitch and the fact noone was in the office between 4 00 and 6 00
to bet $40,000 more than our limit on soccer?
Why were we given phoney contact information?
We want to do the fair thing, that is why we have agreed to mediation. Had he stuck in bets for a million dollars should we honor those too? Where do you draw the line? Honesty is supposed to be a 2 way street.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
WSEX STEVE,
If the man put in bets for 8million dollars and you did not cancel it BEFORE THE GAME STARTED, then yes you should honor it. Bottomline is if the bets would have lost you would have graded them all as a loss and gone on with your day. Pay the man.
Uncle B,
He has not called yet. I am going to bed soon because I was awakened at 6 30 lol. WSEX will be happy to do the right thing. Is it the right thing to reward a player who takes advantage of a software glitch and the fact noone was in the office between 4 00 and 6 00
to bet $40,000 more than our limit on soccer?
Why were we given phoney contact information?
We want to do the fair thing, that is why we have agreed to mediation. Had he stuck in bets for a million dollars should we honor those too? Where do you draw the line? Honesty is supposed to be a 2 way street.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
WSEX STEVE,
If the man put in bets for 8million dollars and you did not cancel it BEFORE THE GAME STARTED, then yes you should honor it. Bottomline is if the bets would have lost you would have graded them all as a loss and gone on with your day. Pay the man.
nets2k2
Thanks for pointing that post out, i missed it..lol
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Uncle B,
He has not called yet. I am going to bed soon because I was awakened at 6 30 lol. WSEX will be happy to do the right thing. Is it the right thing to reward a player who takes advantage of a software glitch and the fact noone was in the office between 4 00 and 6 00
to bet $40,000 more than our limit on soccer?
Why were we given phoney contact information?
We want to do the fair thing, that is why we have agreed to mediation. Had he stuck in bets for a million dollars should we honor those too? Where do you draw the line? Honesty is supposed to be a 2 way street. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Steve
I agree, but, i do think some valid points have been raised in regards to how it was handled, meaning,there should have been SOMETHING done before the games were completed, the $5,000 example posted a few minutes ago by nets2k2 was a good one.
Do i think he deserves $40 grand because of that though? NO.
I am still of the opinion that he went out of his way , and spent 2hours getting around the overnight limits, and did this intentionally, to catch you off guard at an odd time.
I hope the two of you can reach an agreement that satifies both sides, but, seeing as how the communication is one way at this point, it doesn't look good.
Thanks for the update.
Thanks for pointing that post out, i missed it..lol
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Uncle B,
He has not called yet. I am going to bed soon because I was awakened at 6 30 lol. WSEX will be happy to do the right thing. Is it the right thing to reward a player who takes advantage of a software glitch and the fact noone was in the office between 4 00 and 6 00
to bet $40,000 more than our limit on soccer?
Why were we given phoney contact information?
We want to do the fair thing, that is why we have agreed to mediation. Had he stuck in bets for a million dollars should we honor those too? Where do you draw the line? Honesty is supposed to be a 2 way street. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Steve
I agree, but, i do think some valid points have been raised in regards to how it was handled, meaning,there should have been SOMETHING done before the games were completed, the $5,000 example posted a few minutes ago by nets2k2 was a good one.
Do i think he deserves $40 grand because of that though? NO.
I am still of the opinion that he went out of his way , and spent 2hours getting around the overnight limits, and did this intentionally, to catch you off guard at an odd time.
I hope the two of you can reach an agreement that satifies both sides, but, seeing as how the communication is one way at this point, it doesn't look good.
Thanks for the update.
WOW I AM SHOCKED SHRINKS MAIN BUTT BOY UNCLE BUTTERBALLS IS SIDING WITH A PAID ADVERTISER WSEX AGAIN.BUTTERNUTS DID SHRINK TELL YOU TO COME IN HERE AND TAKE THE HEAT.WHERE IS PATRICK MCPUPPET WE KNOW HE WILL SIDE WITH THE SPORTSBOOK WSEX BECAUSE HIM AND BUTTENUTS MIGHT GET A 100 DOLLAR PARLAY AND A GOLF SHIRT.ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY HERE THE MODS WILL ALWAY SIDE WITH THE SPORTSBOOK UNLESS YOUR NAME IS SLICK GAMBLER THEN YOU FIGHT LIKE HELL FOR HIM OR HE WILL TAKE HIS COMPUTER AND GO ELSEWHERE LIKE MAJORS PLACE.MAN THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE THIS IS CUT AND DRY CAS CLOSED BUT BUTTERNUTS HAS A SPIN ON IT WHERE ITS THE PLAYERS FAUKLT THE BOOK WATCHED THE GAME LOSE THEN CANCEL HIS WAGERS WHAT THE F-CK IS THE MATTER WITH YOU IDIOTS
Would anyone out there make bets of this size under these circumstances and leave yourself incommunicado. When you sign up at a book you have to supply a Phone Number and E-mail address. If what Wesex claims is true how do you expect them to contact Revere to discuss the problem? Every on-line book uses EM to conduct business with customers. To not have a current EM or phone is the players fault. It looks to me like he did not want to be reached before or during the game, could that possibly be the case?
Everytime one of these incidents comes up the player could have avoided the problem by doing the right thing. Also what makes most of you guys think that WSEX would not have refunded his money if the game had lost? I know "how naive can you be". Excuse me, but I will not condem anyone without some evidence that they would have kept the money if he lost. This guy is in the wrong and knows it. Maybe Wsex will make some sort of deal with him, I hope so, but deep down I don't believe he deserves it. Do the right thing and this stuff will not happen to you.
wil.
Everytime one of these incidents comes up the player could have avoided the problem by doing the right thing. Also what makes most of you guys think that WSEX would not have refunded his money if the game had lost? I know "how naive can you be". Excuse me, but I will not condem anyone without some evidence that they would have kept the money if he lost. This guy is in the wrong and knows it. Maybe Wsex will make some sort of deal with him, I hope so, but deep down I don't believe he deserves it. Do the right thing and this stuff will not happen to you.
wil.
wilheim
We are defintely on the same page..
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Maybe Wsex will make some sort of deal with him, I hope so, but deep down I don't believe he deserves it. Do the right thing and this stuff will not happen to you <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Like i said, i hope this can be resolved, and all are happy, but, i don't know if the guy deserves as much.
Of course, thats just because i am a mod here..Not standing up for the good guys, like Jim.
I think WSEX definitely needs to do something with the software, and ASAP. This should have NEVER happened to begin with, but, i still have no doubt Revere took a shot, and WSEX caught it...
Also, i think nets2j2 made a good point. If WSEX was unablle to reach him, do something, anything, to show you arent just waiting to see the result.. Cut the wagers accepted to something reasonable ASAP, like 2 or 5 or 10 Grand,,,whatever, but, something before the game is complete. Otherwise, there will of course be people saying exactly what they are saying now, WSEX also took a shot, and lost.
Not agreeing with them, just saying, i see their side as well.
Hopefully this gets resolved in an acceptable manner. One that won't tarnish either WSEX, or Revere, in the long run.
We are defintely on the same page..
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Maybe Wsex will make some sort of deal with him, I hope so, but deep down I don't believe he deserves it. Do the right thing and this stuff will not happen to you <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Like i said, i hope this can be resolved, and all are happy, but, i don't know if the guy deserves as much.
Of course, thats just because i am a mod here..Not standing up for the good guys, like Jim.
I think WSEX definitely needs to do something with the software, and ASAP. This should have NEVER happened to begin with, but, i still have no doubt Revere took a shot, and WSEX caught it...
Also, i think nets2j2 made a good point. If WSEX was unablle to reach him, do something, anything, to show you arent just waiting to see the result.. Cut the wagers accepted to something reasonable ASAP, like 2 or 5 or 10 Grand,,,whatever, but, something before the game is complete. Otherwise, there will of course be people saying exactly what they are saying now, WSEX also took a shot, and lost.
Not agreeing with them, just saying, i see their side as well.
Hopefully this gets resolved in an acceptable manner. One that won't tarnish either WSEX, or Revere, in the long run.
