Cops: Mass. girl, 18, encouraged boy to take his life

[slapshot]

What new law slapshot? Involuntary manslaughter isn't anything new.

Sure someone is working on one as we type

 

[TheComputerGroup]

I get what you're all saying and she is demented but I can't seen anything sticking here in this case.

Guy killed himself. Nobody forced him to do anything.

No offense Enfuego, but this isn't like someone having a GOY on this site, you betting a fat stack on the game, losing & having to pay the bookie......

We as human being should be held accountable for extreme measures like what happened to this boy with the cheer leading factor of this girl cheering him on to killing himself.

 

[texansfan]

Sure someone is working on one as we type

Well, that I would agree with.

 

[Enfuego]

No offense Enfuego, but this isn't like someone having a GOY on this site, you betting a fat stack on the game, losing & having to pay the bookie......

We as human being should be held accountable for extreme measures like what happened to this boy with the cheer leading factor of this girl cheering him on to killing himself.

I mean, I know what you're saying but at the end of the day, he took his own life. It's really sad but he took actions and nobody forced him to do it. It was a personal decision. She's a monster though. Believe that.

 

[Enfuego]

Then why do you continue to bring it up?........

You know what?....I'm getting a headache........im done with you tonight.....

Don't get upset man. It's no big deal. Just a discussion and interesting one at that.

 

[MikeB]

Don't get upset man. It's no big deal. Just a discussion and interesting one at that.

Nah, I wasn't upset, sometimes with you it's just not worth it......

 

[Enfuego]

Nah, I wasn't upset, sometimes with you it's just not worth it......

Care to expand?

 

[PatsFanatic]

The state should go after this girl as hard as possible. The influence friends have over each other at that age is not comparable. This boy was having second thoughts and she coerced him back into the car?? Thats crazy. They have that in writing as well?? Wow, she's fucked.

 

[Greenbacks]

Famous quote from Ricky Ricardo
[h=1]" Ms. Carter, you've got some 'splaining to do!" [/h]

 

[Enfuego]

The state should go after this girl as hard as possible. The influence friends have over each other at that age is not comparable. This boy was having second thoughts and she coerced him back into the car?? Thats crazy. They have that in writing as well?? Wow, she's fucked.

I mean, where is the line drawn then?

You're playing poker and you lose $200. You text your friend that you lost and you're leaving. He texts to you to sit down and win it back and you lose another 2K. Can you sue him for 2K because you lost your money?

 

[PatsFanatic]

I mean, where is the line drawn then?

You're playing poker and you lose $200. You text your friend that you lost and you're leaving. He texts to you to sit down and win it back and you lose another 2K. Can you sue him for 2K because you lost your money?

So you are comparing life to 2k in poker losses? If they are playing poker for money then I'll go ahead and assume they are consenting adults. These kids were not.

IMO the girl had a direct effect in this boy taking his own life if the texts are true that he was trying to NOT do it and she said to get back in the car and do it.
Kids have TOTAL power over each other at that age. Especially kids who are struggling with anxiety and depression. My wife is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor in the state of Massachusetts. She counsels kids just like this boy everyday, in schools and in her private practice. Peer pressure feels insurmountable to these kids. Every little thing that challenges them is like mount Everest. Thats why suicide is on the rise with young kids. Not enough support systems out there for kids.

 

[MikeB]

So you are comparing life to 2k in poker losses? If they are playing poker for money then I'll go ahead and assume they are consenting adults. These kids were not.

IMO the girl had a direct effect in this boy taking his own life if the texts are true that he was trying to NOT do it and she said to get back in the car and do it.
Kids have TOTAL power over each other at that age. Especially kids who are struggling with anxiety and depression. My wife is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor in the state of Massachusetts. She counsels kids just like this boy everyday, in schools and in her private practice. Peer pressure feels insurmountable to these kids. Every little thing that challenges them is like mount Everest. Thats why suicide is on the rise with young kids. Not enough support systems out there for kids.

Enfuego thinks that kids go to thier parents with thier problems when they are teenagers.

Between yesterday and today Ive taken an informal poll and everyone I've talked to (Wife, half dozen friends, and a few co-workers), every one of them to a fault said that they didn't go to thier mommy and daddy with problems back then.

 

[Enfuego]

you can't seriously think that is an apples to apples comparison of the situation.

Here's a question for you (i think you're a parent). If your son or daughter not only encouraged someone to commit suicide, but talked them BACK INTO IT after they were on the precipice of walking away, would you think your son or daughter was a good person? Would you think what they did was not morally reprehensible? Would you say to them "hey don't worry about it, that kid was going to kill himself anyway, you had nothing to do with it, you're still a great kid"?

A) Have said throughout the entire threat, she is a disgrace. There's not doubt about that.
B) Yes, what she dis was morally reprehensible. No doubt.
C) In this situation, would never say "hey, don't worry about it."
D) But in my view, morally reprehensible does not equal criminally reprehensible. Those are very different things.

 

[Enfuego]

Enfuego thinks that kids go to thier parents with thier problems when they are teenagers.

Between yesterday and today Ive taken an informal poll and everyone I've talked to (Wife, half dozen friends, and a few co-workers), every one of them to a fault said that they didn't go to thier mommy and daddy with problems back then.

1) I'm right here, you can address me directly.
2) I didn't say all kids go to their parents with issues but I sure know a number less than 99% do. You're just making up your own number with no scientific data to back it up.

 

[Enfuego]

So you are comparing life to 2k in poker losses? If they are playing poker for money then I'll go ahead and assume they are consenting adults. These kids were not.

IMO the girl had a direct effect in this boy taking his own life if the texts are true that he was trying to NOT do it and she said to get back in the car and do it.
Kids have TOTAL power over each other at that age. Especially kids who are struggling with anxiety and depression. My wife is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor in the state of Massachusetts. She counsels kids just like this boy everyday, in schools and in her private practice. Peer pressure feels insurmountable to these kids. Every little thing that challenges them is like mount Everest. Thats why suicide is on the rise with young kids. Not enough support systems out there for kids.

I'm not comparing the situations. I'm comparing the act of talking a person into something via text message and then being criminally responsible.

 

[HarryCaray]

I agree with Fuego to an extent here. Morally reprehensible action for which she will burn in hell, but I don't see how you hold her criminally liable.

 

[Enfuego]

I agree with Fuego to an extent here. Morally reprehensible action for which she will burn in hell, but I don't see how you hold her criminally liable.

There's no doubt at all what she did is almost as bad as I've seen in a very long time from a young person. Just doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[PatsFanatic]

I'm not comparing the situations. I'm comparing the act of talking a person into something via text message and then being criminally responsible.

100's of text messages.....

A lawyer could easily defend a single text, but as many as these two shared, it makes a difference.

This case will set an example for the future as it should. Her family better lawyer up in a BIG way.

 

[PatsFanatic]

Enfuego thinks that kids go to thier parents with thier problems when they are teenagers.

Between yesterday and today Ive taken an informal poll and everyone I've talked to (Wife, half dozen friends, and a few co-workers), every one of them to a fault said that they didn't go to thier mommy and daddy with problems back then.

In a perfect world kids could 1. deal with it on their own 2. go to their parents 3. Have other family members they could lean on 4. Go to school guidance counselor.
But we all know that most often their friends are the ones they go to. They see it as the ones who understand them best.

In this case his friend was a sociopath, he got screwed. With a little help this kid could have been fine!!

 

[MikeB]

In a perfect world kids could 1. deal with it on their own 2. go to their parents 3. Have other family members they could lean on 4. Go to school guidance counselor.
But we all know that most often their friends are the ones they go to. They see it as the ones who understand them best.

In this case his friend was a sociopath, he got screwed. With a little help this kid could have been fine!!

Spot on post Pats......spot on.