can people be taught how to play poker?

[drpugilist]

Nothing will benefit a player more than hands played. The more hands you play, the more you see and better you get. Id say after about 50k hands you will have a much better feel for the game.

do you know if bovada has a place i can go to see how many hands ive played?

 

[drpugilist]

i just had 2 3 off in the bb. i check. flop comes A 5 7. i check someone bets. i folded.

should i have tried to get a 4? i considered betting the flop, but didnt know what to do. how far should i go for my draws esp an inside draw like this?

 

[festeringZit]

i just had 2 3 off in the bb. i check. flop comes A 5 7. i check someone bets. i folded.

should i have tried to get a 4? i considered betting the flop, but didnt know what to do. how far should i go for my draws esp an inside draw like this?

It's all about (implied) pot odds. Assuming that there isn't a flush draw out there, or a possible made flush...

You've got 4 outs (they might have 6 8, which would make the 4 a nasty card for you). If you think you can pull a pot
greater than 12 times the size of the bet you're looking at calling, I'd think about making the call.

 

[drpugilist]

It's all about (implied) pot odds. Assuming that there isn't a flush draw out there, or a possible made flush...

You've got 4 outs (they might have 6 8, which would make the 4 a nasty card for you). If you think you can pull a pot
greater than 12 times the size of the bet you're looking at calling, I'd think about making the call.

hmm prob a dumb question but why 12 times the amt of my bet? and yes the A 5 7 was not suited in any way

 

[vitterd]

One of the biggest mistakes I see players make (that I find rather funny at times), is betting their hand according to the strength of the hand, and therefore not inducing a call.

If you have the best hand (after the river), you want to size your bet so that you'll get called.

When I was playing in Tahoe a couple weeks ago, some guy had a full house after the river, and made a huge bet, and everyone folded. Someone made the comment
"Why such a big bet?" And he said very matter-of-factly: "I had to bet huge, I had a huge hand." And he showed the full house. I chuckled to myself, because
he thought he made the right play, when he clearly did not, and he cost himself a chunk of money/value. If you have a hand like that, you want the calls. It's free money.
If I remember right, I was thinking that there were at least 2 players in the pot that would have called if he would have bet something like 1/3 of the pot.

I hear what you're saying there but I think sometimes it depends who else is in the hand. I like the idea of making a huge bet on the river with a big hand in certain situations. Some guys will consider the big bet an attempt to buy it and call with a marginal hand. But I do agree, obviously you wanna make a bet to induce a call when you're hand is very strong.

However, the guy that said " I had to bet huge, I had a huge hand" was not thinking in those terms.

Ive seen a few guys bet quads on flop or turn and angrily flip their cards over when nobody calls. Strange to say the least. I would like to point it out but the guy who makes that play, will look at you like you're an alien if you try to explain why that's stupid. So I sit silent and watch him make no money on his big hands and steal every pot when's he's checking.

 

[drpugilist]

i just played the best hand ive ever played!

 

[TheComputerGroup]

If you can do math in your head easily, you can learn how to play poker & do well in it. When it cones to big tournaments, I don't care how well you play poker, an average player can win the tournament with some luck. (See Jamie Gold)

From the years I've played poker, the best players always do well in cash games.

 

[drpugilist]

fuck i wish i could remember how it went down. ive been in a couple hands since then i was trying to type in btwn. anyway basically i was paying attn to how people were betting and i made a call on the river that i almost folded

 

[festeringZit]

hmm prob a dumb question but why 12 times the amt of my bet? and yes the A 5 7 was not suited in any way

Assuming your 4 outs are good, your pot odds are 4/47 which is roughly 1/12 - so you need a pot 12 times the bet you're looking at calling.

 

[drpugilist]

Assuming your 4 outs are good, your pot odds are 4/47 which is roughly 1/12 - so you need a pot 12 times the bet you're looking at calling.

i had a feeling thats what you were going to say. i havent even been thinking of pot odds yet. little too complicated right now.
im having a nice little session this afternoon though. bought in for 10 bucks prob an hr ago and am now sitting at 17 and some change!

 

[drpugilist]

im gonna move to the 10/25c game. you think this is ok? this winning or losing 2 or 3 bucks a pot just isnt very fun. i understand im learning, but i think i can handle these stakes financially based on the 2nd or 3rd post of this thread from harry. im more concerned abt the player level than the money. any thoughts?

 

[CHOPTALK]

im gonna move to the 10/25c game. you think this is ok? this winning or losing 2 or 3 bucks a pot just isnt very fun. i understand im learning, but i think i can handle these stakes financially based on the 2nd or 3rd post of this thread from harry. im more concerned abt the player level than the money. any thoughts?

Yea man move up. Maybe even .25./50

 

[CHOPTALK]

Maybe you might want to try some SNG tournies while you at it.

 

[drpugilist]

Yea man move up. Maybe even .25./50

yes! 25/50 cents!

 

[drpugilist]

Maybe you might want to try some SNG tournies while you at it.

this was going to be a question i had later. im sure tourney and cash games are different?

 

[CHOPTALK]

this was going to be a question i had later. im sure tourney and cash games are different?

Yes
tournies much more fun in my opinion

 

[drpugilist]

Yea man move up. Maybe even .25./50

shit sorry i misread. i thought you were asking if i meant 10/25 cents as opposed to dollars.
i see now. you think i should go to 25/50c?
you trying to get me in a game with you?? ha

 

[TonyTotals]

Figure when you lose, you will lose 100 BB, so $25 at those stakes.

Just a warning, when you get to 1 - 2 online, the play is much better. A lot of 3 betting and C betting and check raising. Don't go any higher than 25c - 50c.

i was playing 2 - 4 blinds for a while. That game played huge. Win or lose 6 or 7 hundred in minutes.

 

[drpugilist]

chop im going by this from harry caray on pg 1. "Generally you would need at least 100bb (ideally 200) to sit down at the table and play comfortably; so minimum $300 for 1/3 or $500 for 2/5. This is just for one session; I would say you would need at least 20 buy ins to have a comfortable roll. So 6k for 1/3 and 10k for 2/5 to start."

i didnt deposit 1k. only 300, which is still a little less than what he recommended for 10/25c. i mean i guess i could put more if necessary but just starting out, i didnt know wtf i was doing

 

[drpugilist]

Figure when you lose, you will lose 100 BB, so $25 at those stakes.

Just a warning, when you get to 1 - 2 online, the play is much better. A lot of 3 betting and C betting and check raising. Don't go any higher than 25c - 50c.

i was playing 2 - 4 blinds for a while. That game played huge. Win or lose 6 or 7 hundred in minutes.

ok great. thanks. what is c betting?