'All Things Neteller. (including a Poll).'.

[Dawoofdaddy]

Utah, its usually not a good idea to use words like "always" and "never".

Alot of people here never thought bos would fold, most of us never thought pinnacle (myself included) would get bitchslapped like they have been, and same can be said about neteller.

I understand if the money reward is high enough their will be people willing to provide the product. However, some of you guys are still posting nothing has changed with offshore gambling industry and thats totally bullshit.

Sean posts its still a 75% full glass, but in same breath posts hes may to move across the globe to Australia. Seems like a nice place, but the 75% comment is almost laughable.

Could post alot of things about war on drugs and what its done to the market, but not the topic of this thread.

 

[Utah]

That's a nice thought and it may, or may not prove to be true. You're completely ignoring the effects of the short-term disaster that could result from an upheaval in which a lot of people (me, in particular) could get f***ed out of a lot of money. It happened with BOS, and almost happened at WWTS. Everyone's interest in this is not just to see the offshore industry survive, but to do so without getting f***ked out of our money in the process.

It very well may cause short term damage and people can get f***ked. I am not denying that at all.

 

[Anti-liberal]

Things may go back to the way they were 8 years from now, but if I'm bankrupted in the process, for instance, I could give a shit. I'm concerned about my own ass, not the future-would-be-offshore-bookmaker that's sitting in a 9th grade economics class right now.

 

[ThePig+]

How much are those going for sean? I may move down there with u...

The glass is still 3/4 full. I've been looking at some very nice condos on the coast of Australia. As long as 95% of the free world continues to be free, I'm not too worried.

There is only so much shit you can take in this country.

-Sean

 

[Utah]

Utah, its usually not a good idea to use words like "always" and "never".

Alot of people here never thought bos would fold, most of us never thought pinnacle (myself included) would get bitchslapped like they have been, and same can be said about neteller.

I understand if the money reward is high enough their will be people willing to provide the product. However, some of you guys are still posting nothing has changed with offshore gambling industry and thats totally bullshit.

Sean posts its still a 75% full glass, but in same breath posts hes may to move across the globe to Australia. Seems like a nice place, but the 75% comment is almost laughable.

Could post alot of things about war on drugs and what its done to the market, but not the topic of this thread.

I am not some eternal optimist and I have a company with 17 people that would collapse if online gaming collapsed. So, I have a lot at risk here. I am just saying that the government cannot shut it down. Never in a million years.

But, I will agree that a lot has changed in the industry and there is more risk and pain today than there was yesterday.

 

[Anti-liberal]

I am not some eternal optimist and I have a company with 17 people that would collapse if online gaming collapsed. So, I have a lot at risk here. I am just saying that the government cannot shut it down. Never in a million years.

Why do you care if offshore manages to survive after your company collapses? The point is YOU will get screwed. You sound like an offshore crusader, or something.

The day I leave to gambling industry, you can light a match to it, as far as I'm concerned. Most of the guys involved, I normally wouldn't buy an apple from.

 

[Dawoofdaddy]

Utah, Woody, and anyone else that thinks nothing has changed.

Woody, if you use(d) neteller, are you currently keeping similar amounts in that account as from a year ago and prior?

I will agree with you that yes, I believe @ price X (X being a higher vig and other costs to us gamblers) somebody will provide online gambling.

However, that doesnt mean the industry is still the same or that it will ever be like its been the past several years.

Who would in this current environment put their bankroll on the line, go offshore and provide a low-cost pinny type service to guys betting american sports with a mostly american customer base?

Also Woody, is it 100% impossible that the Canadian govt could someday decide to also join the anti-gambling facists and join the crusade?

Utah, that sucks about your company, but how about discussing whats actually happening rather than what you wish would or wouldnt happen. I doubt the us govt or anti-gambling crusaders care about any of us here.

 

[Anti-liberal]

Also Woody, is it 100% impossible that the Canadian govt could someday decide to also join the anti-gambling facists and join the crusade?

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That's next, IMO. Might be a few years, but definately a possibilty.

We're in Nam.

 

[sean1]

The gambling glass,is still 3/4 full. I can play blackjack 30 minutes from home. I can gamble in Vegas. I can gamble offshore. All the same deals are available to me (Some much better now) if I open accounts in other countries... Gambling is here to stay.

The United States of America is about 5% full. I hate the place.

Sean

 

[Utah]

Why do you care if offshore manages to survive after your company collapses? The point is YOU will get screwed. You sound like an offshore crusader, or something.

Because I will start another gambling company or do something else. Getting screwed is a fact of life and it is unavoidable. I have had so much adversity in my professional and personal life that this just seems like nothing. There is no point in being scared over stuff like this. Being smart about protecting yourself is one thing. Being scared or freaked is another.

This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes of all time from a commander providing an assessment of the battle at the miracle of the marne, which goes something like - "[SIZE=-1]My center is giving way, my right is retreating,situation excellent. I am attacking[/SIZE]"

 

[sean1]

No one can say things have not changed. They have changed a lot.

These times remind me of the market post 9/11. Shit is gonna hit the fan and then everything will be fine.

In 2-3 years, (Maybe even a year) I dont think anything will be different than it was 2 years ago... (There will be a new pinnacle. If neteller folds, a legit company will take up the slack)

But for the next 6-12 months, I would not have much offshore... Better things to do with your money when I look at risk and reward...

Sean

 

[Anti-liberal]

Because I will start another gambling company or do something else. Getting screwed is a fact of life and it is unavoidable. I have had so much adversity in my professional and personal life that this just seems like nothing. There is no point in being scared over stuff like this. Being smart about protecting yourself is one thing. Being scared or freaked is another.

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I'm not being scared or freaked...I'm just trying to make the best decisions based on the imformation that is at hand, so I don't get screwed (which you seem to think is inevitable for some reason). I'm just trying to limit my exposure while staying in business at the same time. 99% of the time when you "get screwed" it's YOU that allowed it, if you really think about it. I take full responsibility for everything that happens to me. If I lost money in a BOS umbrella book, that's MY fault for having it there, not BOS'. As soon as you adopt this way of thinking, it won't seem like your ass is just whipping in the wind as much.

 

[Uno]

The best thing to do in my opinion is get your money out of shady books even if you have to forfeit some bonuses and get it into solid books.

My gut reaction to this is that these guys are getting leaned on in hopes that they have some influence in what Neteller does.

What effect that will have who knows but it does not hurt to empty your account into a reputable book who you know will treat you right.

 

[Dr.Knowitall]

hno: + :drink: + :smoker2: = :WTF:

 

[Woody0]

Woody, and anyone else that thinks nothing has changed.

I never said and don't think it true that nothing has changed. A great deal has changed since October of 2006.

If you look at my posts you'll find I have made a point of correcting errors of fact regarding what is and isn't illegal. That's the reason I pulled you up on your use of "enforcement", the same word used in the act. I read the entire UIGEA as soon as it was published and carry a copy on my laptop. I have been amazed by how much mis-information has been spewed out in the popular press and swallowed hook, line and sinker by some here.

To answer your questions, I have not made any changes to my use of NETeller or its link to a US cross border bank. I am awaiting the regulations from the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve before instituting changes.

I think its practically impossible for Canada to impose similar anti-gambling regulations for the following reasons. Every Province (I believe) has its own gambling and casinos. In the case of British Columbia I can bet NFL, NHL, NBA etc. online at the BC Lottery Corporation using my credit card. The only problem is they have miserable odds on 2 to 12 team parlays. Canada is also a WTO signatory and would be subject to the WTO ruling in favour of Antigua if a case were brought to be against Canada. Canada does not have a history of ignoring its international treaties and agreements and would probably respect the Antigua ruling even though it does not directly apply to Canada.

 

[Iceman]

time to call up some the "newspaper" bookies I had in the past and go after them.

 

[fathead]

I see that they are reported to have been arrested at their respective US homes.

So, seems to be planned. Not just changing planes and their names popped up.

 

[Anti-liberal]

time to call up some the "newspaper" bookies I had in the past and go after them.

LOL...they all had to resort to selling their asses to eat after booking you....newspaper bookies...funny.

 

[AdamSelene]

Story hasn't been verified.

Gambling911 didn't even spell their names correctly, it's [SIZE=-1]Stephen Lawrence[/SIZE] and John Lefebvre.

If Gambling911 is full of shit, they ought to be ostracized by the gambling community, and investigated by the S.E.C.

 

[Anti-liberal]

I see that they are reported to have been arrested at their respective US homes.

So, seems to be planned. Not just changing planes and their names popped up.

Where did you see that?