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Smokey,
What are you still bitching about? The DID pay you 'based on actual track
payouts". The actual track payout was used to determine the fact that your payout exceeded their PRINTED rules and they paid you what you had coming to you based on their PRINTED rules as shown on their website. You did read the rules before you bet with them, didn't you?
What are you still bitching about? The DID pay you 'based on actual track
payouts". The actual track payout was used to determine the fact that your payout exceeded their PRINTED rules and they paid you what you had coming to you based on their PRINTED rules as shown on their website. You did read the rules before you bet with them, didn't you?
SmokeyWins said:
To this observer it makes it APPEAR that WSEX is saying two things.........
1. One that payouts are based on ACTUAL TRACK PAYOUTS.....and.....
2. In the house rules they say 300-1
Now I realize that what WSEX meant when they stated the word "BASED", but to many players they did not read that as such.......like the case with Smokey.
Since BOTH of these statements mean two different things to some(MAYBE NOT ALL OR MAYBE EVEN THE MAJORITY), we have the problem that has arisen.
This is why I LEAN more to the Players side in this case than that of WSEX.
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ps- Why I am getting lambasted for backing an advertiser is beyond me.......as stated, my ruling still is stands more in favor of the player here.
pss- What I do wish is that cooler heads would prevail in all of this......not showing respect for others "unbiased opinions" on either side is childish. I can see both sides in this affair and FEEL FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED, WSEX and the PLAYERS THAT FEEL THEY MAY HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN A FAIR SHAKE HERE.
TT...........
NOW JUST HOW PISSED WOULD YOU BE?????
AFTER YOU SEE THAT YOU JUST BEAT ALL THE ODDS AND HIT A (20 HORSE) TRIFECTA AND CALLED THE MAN THAT OWNS A NICE BMW BIKE THAT YOU HAD BEEN BIDDING ON AND TOLD HIM TO TAKE IT OFF EBAY. "I JUST HIT HIT THE DERBY. CALLED IT WIN, PLACE AND SHOW IN ORDER. THAT BIKE IS MINE BABY" MY WORDS EXACTLY......
THEN............
THEY GIVE ME $600... NOW THEY HAVE MADE IT 1800.... A FAR CRY FROM ...................
"ACTUAL TRACK PAYOUT" OF $11,400.....
NOW JUST HOW PISSED WOULD YOU BE?????
AFTER YOU SEE THAT YOU JUST BEAT ALL THE ODDS AND HIT A (20 HORSE) TRIFECTA AND CALLED THE MAN THAT OWNS A NICE BMW BIKE THAT YOU HAD BEEN BIDDING ON AND TOLD HIM TO TAKE IT OFF EBAY. "I JUST HIT HIT THE DERBY. CALLED IT WIN, PLACE AND SHOW IN ORDER. THAT BIKE IS MINE BABY" MY WORDS EXACTLY......
THEN............
THEY GIVE ME $600... NOW THEY HAVE MADE IT 1800.... A FAR CRY FROM ...................
"ACTUAL TRACK PAYOUT" OF $11,400.....
I wasnt trying to show u that they had a cap, I was trying to show you that they make no reference to their cap at all....
wrong or right, it appears everyone advertises this way even though it isnt quite true or is deceiving....
they have done the right thing & made it clearer, they also paid you higher odds than what was initially posted in their rules..
remember, this could have happened to you at skybook after you read that paragraph, or any other book.....
GREAT POST FISHHEAD!!!
I also beleive there is shared responsibility here, & a compromosie is in order & everyone should move on & learn from this....
smokey, surely you can see some of the points in favor of WSEX.
1) the word 'BASED' is there, this could be argued to no be all inclusive, you are ignoring the word BASED.
2) the rules are posted on their site.
3) 95% of offshore books have these limits
3) their advertising conforms to industry standards, everyone says they pay track odds but few do. (wether it is right or wrong)
4) they have changed the words once it was brought to their attention
5) they have triped the odds & backdated the payout 1 day.
They are not completly at fault & these rants & raves about T-shirts & such are wrong on your part. It hurts your chance at a settlement
I also beleive there is shared responsibility here, & a compromosie is in order & everyone should move on & learn from this....
smokey, surely you can see some of the points in favor of WSEX.
1) the word 'BASED' is there, this could be argued to no be all inclusive, you are ignoring the word BASED.
2) the rules are posted on their site.
3) 95% of offshore books have these limits
3) their advertising conforms to industry standards, everyone says they pay track odds but few do. (wether it is right or wrong)
4) they have changed the words once it was brought to their attention
5) they have triped the odds & backdated the payout 1 day.
They are not completly at fault & these rants & raves about T-shirts & such are wrong on your part. It hurts your chance at a settlement
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you said you might have read thier ad the same way....
AND IT WAS NOT JUST AN AD.... IT WAS AT THE TOP OF THIER WAGER SITE.....
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it just goes to show how careful you have to be....
on another note, I do beleive they are stand up guys over there at wsex, they should perhaps draw their customers attention to the small print more clearly....
sorry bud
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<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->upon reflection I do empathize with what happened to you smokey, I might have read their ad the same way & not seen the small print....
it just goes to show how careful you have to be....
on another note, I do beleive they are stand up guys over there at wsex, they should perhaps draw their customers attention to the small print more clearly....
sorry bud
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you said you might have read thier ad the same way....
AND IT WAS NOT JUST AN AD.... IT WAS AT THE TOP OF THIER WAGER SITE.....
i am not going back & forth, I can understand that perception, what I am doing is being able to see both sides.... I do see both sides, I beleive there is a shared responsibility here.... the same way fishhead does
the race was saturday, today is sunday.....
I say give it a few days to cool down, dont make threats, write a letter to upper managment with your thoughts & qoting the opinions of many sharp posters here, wait for an official response and hope for the best. If you do not get a favorable result you can go from there....
I think a shared 50/50 responsibility here would be the best solution.....
the race was saturday, today is sunday.....
I say give it a few days to cool down, dont make threats, write a letter to upper managment with your thoughts & qoting the opinions of many sharp posters here, wait for an official response and hope for the best. If you do not get a favorable result you can go from there....
I think a shared 50/50 responsibility here would be the best solution.....
SportSavant said:i am not going back & forth, I can understand that perception, what I am doing is being able to see both sides.... I do see both sides, I beleive there is a shared responsibility here.... the same way fishhead does
the race was saturday, today is sunday.....
I say give it a few days to cool down, dont make threats, write a letter to upper managment with your thoughts & qoting the opinions of many sharp posters here, wait for an official response and hope for the best. If you do not get a favorable result you can go from there....
I think a shared 50/50 responsibility here would be the best solution.....[/quote]
A voice of reason.
you know recently I deposited at BetOnStars, I sent them 300$ for a 100% bonus with 20X rollover.
there was a rule "player must have 30 avtive days of wagering before they can withdraw".
After 30 days I had finished my rollover & tried to withdraw... I was up, I was told however I couldnt as I had not understood the '30 active days of wagering rule' it meant I had to place at least one bet each day for 30 days..... I was pissed, but it was my fault for not having read the small print.
there was a rule "player must have 30 avtive days of wagering before they can withdraw".
After 30 days I had finished my rollover & tried to withdraw... I was up, I was told however I couldnt as I had not understood the '30 active days of wagering rule' it meant I had to place at least one bet each day for 30 days..... I was pissed, but it was my fault for not having read the small print.
Do you bet horses offshore? I suspect not, because this(or a very similar rule) is THE NORM
Yes I bet horses offshore but I place my horse bets with Pinnacle.
I am a business lawyer so I read and know the rules at everyone book that I bet with. I read all of the fine print.
That is the problem here. There was no fine print.
"PAYOUTS BASED ON ACTUAL TRACK PAYOUTS"
This means to me that are paying full track odds. I will repeat myself a third time. This is the biggest fucking race of the year. Virtually every trifecta and exacta they booked would have paid over their limit. They should have used an asterik here, "see house rules". I am business lawyer. They would lose a lawsuit.
They have lost all credibility with me. I am fair. I don't always side with the player but this is an ass raping.
Yes I bet horses offshore but I place my horse bets with Pinnacle.
I am a business lawyer so I read and know the rules at everyone book that I bet with. I read all of the fine print.
That is the problem here. There was no fine print.
"PAYOUTS BASED ON ACTUAL TRACK PAYOUTS"
This means to me that are paying full track odds. I will repeat myself a third time. This is the biggest fucking race of the year. Virtually every trifecta and exacta they booked would have paid over their limit. They should have used an asterik here, "see house rules". I am business lawyer. They would lose a lawsuit.
They have lost all credibility with me. I am fair. I don't always side with the player but this is an ass raping.
SportSavant said:
SS, why should Smokey see anything in WSEXs favor? And what is this "BASED" word based on? Is this like Clinton saying " what is IS? By SEX TRIPLING the payouts the NEXT day they have admitted they screwed up without actually saying it. My eyes have been OPENED WIDE with this fiasco. The RX is NOT what I have come to believe. There is a LOT of jealously here and it is not a pretty sight. Smokey, I will take 6 XL shirts for the Bash. I will wear ONE each day that I am there. LT
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