Wsex .... Unreal Shit

TTinCO · May 7, 2006

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100-1 max on one of the biggest fucking races of the the year???

what a bullshit place.

Do you bet horses offshore? I suspect not, because this(or a very similar rule) is THE NORM.

Anyone who has done any research whatsoever should be damn aware of the rules at the books that they play at-this did not come out of nowhere-it's been in place for YEARS at A LOT of books.

PublicsMoney · May 7, 2006

Tinco: Come on man, the bottom line is that they used false advertising on there Kentucky Derby page. That is the bottomline, you arent going to change my mind and you certainly are going to have a hard time changing the minds of the majority of the players here. This is plain and simple b.s.

SmokeyWins · May 7, 2006

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Smokey:

This is Mickey Mouse by WSEX. This is after all the phucking Kentucky Derby and not some 10,000$ pooled race in California. If I were you I would call the Howard Stern Show on Monday and tell them about this. WSEX advertises on Howard Stern's show and this will hurt them much more than the 10k they are jobbing from you. Call and ask to speak to Artie on air and explain your problem to him. He understands gambling and will side with you.

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thats a good idea..

this smell bad....fwiw you now change the wording and now only increase the payouts on triple crown days...--wtf

the increase should be for everyday ( you would have more customers that way)

actually you should this guy in full----- your only a multi multi million dollar company for god sakes..

so the shirt should read

" wsex stole over 9,500 dollars from me on DERBY DAY"

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I CAN NEVER EVER REMEMBER YOU BEING ON MY SIDE WITH ANYTHING. SO, THIS MEANS A LOT TO ME.

Whoson1st · May 7, 2006

After some indepth thought; I have to ask a few serious questions..Smokey how old are you sir? How long have you been betting horses (online and at the track if old enough). I think this thread is agenda driven. I never defend a book and want VER badly to side with the player. But unless you are either a COMPLETE MORON or your elevator does not go to the top floor (assuming you are of legal age)--than you are looking for something for nothing!

TTinCO · May 7, 2006

PublicsMoney said:
Tinco: Come on man, the bottom line is that they used false advertising on there Kentucky Derby page. That is the bottomline, you arent going to change my mind and you certainly are going to have a hard time changing the minds of the majority of the players here. This is plain and simple b.s.

Pubs, my answer to that is that no one with a clue should be playing any high odds combinations\exotics at any book with these limits. Check the rules at your books-you'll probably be surprised.

SmokeyWins · May 7, 2006

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<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1>What a bunch of crap. Read the rules Smokey-not just at Wsex, but the same\similar rule that is in place at 90% of offshores.

You're DAMN LUCKY to be getting a cent more than $600, and you're STILL BITCHING!!!!

Ignorance of the rules is no excuse, and anyone with a clue is WELL AWARE of the rules.

....and people wonder why people hate touts :nohead:
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TO START WITH... YOU HAVE NEVER LIKED ME ANYWAY.. IT'S KINDA LIKE WHEN I WAS IN SOMEONE'S HOUSE 2 DAYS AGO AND THE OLDER LADY SAID "I JUST CAN'T STAND BILLY RAY CYRUS"... I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING BUT..... HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE SOMEONE THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW.....

BUT ......... THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THEY STATE THAT.......

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
"PAYOUTS BASED ON ACTUAL TRACK PAYOUTS"

WHAT WAS THE "ACTUAL TRACK PAYOUTS????????????

COACH LT SAID IT BEST... IF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TO SOMEONE ELSE HERE AT THE RX THAT WAS ONE OF THE BOYS THIS PLACE WOULDGO IN MELT DOWN.... NOT MY WORDS..
AND THANKS COACH... SPEAKING OF LT... HERE IS A MAN THAT HAS GOTTEN TO KNOW ME...

PublicsMoney · May 7, 2006

Whoson1st said:
After some indepth thought; I have to ask a few serious questions..Smokey how old are you sir? How long have you been betting horses (online and at the track if old enough). I think this thread is agenda driven. I never defend a book and want VER badly to side with the player. But unless you are either a COMPLETE MORON or your elevator does not go to the top floor (assuming you are of legal age)--than you are looking for something for nothing!

Ok.....Plain and simple here now. Smokeywins hit the trifecta on the Kentucky Derby. What they paid out at the track was 11,400 or somewhere in that area code. The headings on their page as said before said that they would payout the same as at the track. Its as easy and as simple as that to understand. No need to read the rules when it says what it says on their front page. I dont know Smokey one bit, but the man hit the Kentucky Derby trifecta, and he should be rewarded. Too me when you predict the trifecta in the greatest horse race of the year you should be rewarded and if not the books should make it known loud and clear and not hidden somewhere behind the scenes. Than to go and change their payouts on future Triple Crown races after this fiasco? Im not buying it. Multi million dollar business and you cant afford to pay the man 11,000 plus? Thats not saying much for you WSEX. Ill leave it at that, but I am definitly in Smokeys corner.

SmokeyWins · May 7, 2006

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Tinco: Come on man, the bottom line is that they used false advertising on there Kentucky Derby page. That is the bottomline, you arent going to change my mind and you certainly are going to have a hard time changing the minds of the majority of the players here. This is plain and simple b.s.
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Pubs, my answer to that is that no one with a clue should be playing any high odds combinations\exotics at any book with these limits. Check the rules at your books-you'll probably be surprised.
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HELLO...................

I WOULD HAVE NEVER PLACED THE BET IF THE SITE HAD THE WORDS THAT ARE THERE TODAY..
YESTERDAY.................

IT SAID.... OMG ... ARE YOU REALLY SERIOUS???

IF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TO......

NEVER MIND...

SERIOUS????????????????????????????????????

TTinCO · May 7, 2006

"PAYOUTS BASED ON ACTUAL TRACK PAYOUTS"

I don't believe that is what it said, didn't it say full track ODDS? Are they the same? I don't think so......

EveryGamblersDream · May 7, 2006

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EGD,
I can say that his standing in the sports betting world has no bearing on my thought with this matter. I don't know you, Smokey or 99% of the posters here from a hole in the wall. That being said, I still think the liability falls on Smokey's shoulders. It's a rule. Could it have been clearer? Yes, but the rule is still in place.

On a side note, three major contributors to the horse forum have all fallen on the same side of this issue whereas the majority of others that don't frequent the horse forums (and likely don't play horses offshore very often if ever) feel like the player is getting jobbed somehow. It's part of playing horses offshore.

I don't frequent this horse forum but I do frequent one whose whole site is about the sport. Whether or not the people who support him are contributors or not isn't the point.

I am just saying that eventhough WSEX does have a rule in place like most books, they did a horrible job with such a misleading statement. Thankfully they have correced it though.

SmokeyWins · May 7, 2006

GREAT IDEA SLICK.........

WHAT SIZE T SHIRT FOR YOU???

so the shirt should read

" wsex stole over 9,500 dollars from me on DERBY DAY"

AND THANKS PUBLICMONEY.........

WE ARE RIGHT AND THEY KNOW IT...........

kidslick · May 7, 2006

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Smokey:

This is Mickey Mouse by WSEX. This is after all the phucking Kentucky Derby and not some 10,000$ pooled race in California. If I were you I would call the Howard Stern Show on Monday and tell them about this. WSEX advertises on Howard Stern's show and this will hurt them much more than the 10k they are jobbing from you. Call and ask to speak to Artie on air and explain your problem to him. He understands gambling and will side with you.

That is what I would do.
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thats a good idea..

this smell bad....fwiw you now change the wording and now only increase the payouts on triple crown days...--wtf

the increase should be for everyday ( you would have more customers that way)

actually you should this guy in full----- your only a multi multi million dollar company for god sakes..

so the shirt should read

" wsex stole over 9,500 dollars from me on DERBY DAY"

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I CAN NEVER EVER REMEMBER YOU BEING ON MY SIDE WITH ANYTHING. SO, THIS MEANS A LOT TO ME.

i had a good night sleep to think it over , and i changed my mind..

i felt that screen shot that eog posted is

(deception at its finest )

make sure i get a xx large shirt, and i will wear it proudly

SmokeyWins · May 7, 2006

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<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1>"PAYOUTS BASED ON ACTUAL TRACK PAYOUTS"

I don't believe that is what it said, didn't it say full track ODDS? Are they the same? I don't think so......
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NO

SportSavant · May 7, 2006

smokey,

I guess if you had played at skybook it would be the same thing? not saying you are wrong, just asking, because look at what they have posted:

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SportSavant · May 7, 2006

TTinCO said:
"PAYOUTS BASED ON ACTUAL TRACK PAYOUTS"

I don't believe that is what it said, didn't it say full track ODDS? Are they the same? I don't think so......

no, that is what it said TT

SmokeyWins · May 7, 2006

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please read where it states...

PAYOUTS BASED ON 'ACTUAL' TRACK PAYOUTS

and what was the actual track payout???

SportSavant · May 7, 2006

i had a good night sleep to think it over , and i changed my mind..

i felt that screen shot that eog posted is

which screen shot are u referring too?

PublicsMoney · May 7, 2006

SportSavant said:
smokey,

I guess if you had played at skybook it would be the same thing? not saying you are wrong, just asking, because look at what they have posted:

Opening up a whole new can of worms. I have a question. If the books are going to offer online betting for horse races why arent they willing to pay the same as the track pays out? Too me its bullshit. With this situation that has occured here I believe that the sportsbooks will lose some horse racing bettors that will take their action else where.....such as TVG and other specific racing sites. Why would you bet at a book that is not going to pay the amount that they release at the track.

Im amazed that they have gotten by with this for such a long period of time.:smoking:

TTinCO · May 7, 2006

Hmmm, okay-so it did say "full track payouts". That is somewhat messier

(bear with me-running on extremely minimal sleep after the DLH fight, a Vegas all nighter, and an 8am flight home.)

I could have sworn I saw "full track odds" when I initially read it.

SmokeyWins · May 7, 2006

sports... I UNDERSTAND THAT MANY BOOKS HAVE THAT CAP.... I GOT IT.. REALLY.. I DO...

BUT....................

WSEX STATED THAT THEY PAID BASED ON ACTUAL TRACK PAYOUTS...... PERIOD....

AND NOW IT'S MY FAULT FOR NOT READING FURTHER...

I FEEL LIKE I'M HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WERE ON THE O.J. JURY..

WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE....

I COULD HAVE SIMPLE DRIVEN 30 MINS *OR* BET WHERE I NORMALY DO AND THEY ARE NOT A HUGE FIRM LIKE WSEX.COM AND THEY WOULD HAVE PAID ME.....

AND..............

JUST LIKE MOST VEGAS CASINO'S THAT LOSE THEY SEEM TO GET IT BACK.........
WHAT IS WSEX.COM THINKING......

I AM A MARKETING MAN AND I GUESSS THEY SHOULD HIRE ME OR SOMEONE ELSE.... BECAUSE THIS COULD BE SPUN SOOOO HUGE IN THIER FAVOR....

BUT THEY WANT TO WELL????????????????

CL