Not at all saying that Bama's defense is great. The SEC is full of incompetent offenses this year.
Just saying that UF is overrated, and we see that in the line. Even if UF wins by 21, at this point in the season, with what these two teams have done thus far, the line should be a solid 7. No love for Bama and too much love for UF has given us an extra FG worth of line value, IMHO.
No, not really arrogant, just call it like it is. I am actually one of the more pessimistic/realistic Gator fans you'll ever meet. YOU said the Gators were overatted in EVERY VICTORY this year. Well, that must mean YOU think your Noles are overrated as well. I NEVER SAID THE NOLES WERE AVERAGE, and if you can find that in my statement, please let me know. I happen to think the Noles are a pretty good team with potential to be great due to their defense. Anyways, you don't think our defense is good. You mention Spikes above, but you aren't even naming close to the 2nd best player on the defense. He is true freshman Janoris Jenkins. I would also venture to say that Joe Haden, Brandon Hicks, Ahmad Black, and Justin Trattou are better as well. And, for the record, please point to one instance where our defense was bad this year. Did you happen to see what we did to Charles Scott, Knowshon Moreno, and FSU's own Antoine Smith?
Now, before you go with name-calling again, I am willing to agree with you on part of your argument. Our opponents are not as tough as published; however, to say that the Gators are vastly overrated is reaching. Gl to you and your Noles.:toast:
Florida has weak pass defense??
#2 Nationally in Pass Efficiency D, #17 in Pass D (pass yds against), and #2 in passes intercepted with 23. There's nothing weak about that.
As for Kevin Steele, you forget the Gators played FSU every year while he was there.
And for schedule...Bama's is rated worse than UF's so anyone saying UF is overrated has to say the same thing about Bama. The difference is that in their 11 wins, UF won them all by 23pts or more while holding people to next to no scoring. If you think Bama's defense is awesome, then the same must be said for UF because the numbers are VERY similar.
#2 Nationally in Pass Efficiency D, #17 in Pass D (pass yds against), and #2 in passes intercepted with 23. There's nothing weak about that.
As for Kevin Steele, you forget the Gators played FSU every year while he was there.
And for schedule...Bama's is rated worse than UF's so anyone saying UF is overrated has to say the same thing about Bama. The difference is that in their 11 wins, UF won them all by 23pts or more while holding people to next to no scoring. If you think Bama's defense is awesome, then the same must be said for UF because the numbers are VERY similar.
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Based on what? LSU ran for 80 yds on UF while holding Charles Scott to 37yds on 12 carries (18yds on the final play of the game). Bama held LSU to 200 yds and Scott to 100.
To be fair -
UF vs UGA - Total 106yds, Moreno 17 for 65.
Bama vs UGA - Total 50yds, Moreno 9 for 34
Although it's arguable that UGA was on the comeback trail vs Bama and was successful throwing the ball and did so to try to win.
To be fair -
UF vs UGA - Total 106yds, Moreno 17 for 65.
Bama vs UGA - Total 50yds, Moreno 9 for 34
Although it's arguable that UGA was on the comeback trail vs Bama and was successful throwing the ball and did so to try to win.
I think you are looking at 2007 my friend. Those stats aren't even close to being correct.
http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?year=2008&org=235
UF is #4 in scoring defense at 12.25 ppg. Bama is 11.5. If you take out the garbage points scored against UF's backups that number goes down by half.
UFs stats on KR got rocked in the mudbowl with FSU. They aren't that bad.
Florida's DL isn't that thin. Two backups are likely out, but have 5 DTs including the two starters from all year playing. Bama's got a great running game, but UF is very good at stopping big backs.
http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?year=2008&org=235
UF is #4 in scoring defense at 12.25 ppg. Bama is 11.5. If you take out the garbage points scored against UF's backups that number goes down by half.
UFs stats on KR got rocked in the mudbowl with FSU. They aren't that bad.
Florida's DL isn't that thin. Two backups are likely out, but have 5 DTs including the two starters from all year playing. Bama's got a great running game, but UF is very good at stopping big backs.
No problem - happens to everyone.
UF's DL is not one that gets a ton of penetration from the DTs unless Torrey Davis is in the game. But they generally do not give up ground. The Gators have good to great size and speed on the ends with 6-8 290 Dunlap, 6-4 265 Trattou, 6-3 255 Cunningham, and 6-4 260 Lemmens. Dunlap and Trattou will slide inside to tackle at times as well. The LBers are arguably some of the best in the league led by Brandon Spikes who is flanked by JR Dustin Doe and JR Ryan Stamper. The secondary has made amends for a lousy '07 with Janoris Jenkins, Joe Haden, and Markihe Anderson at CB and Will Hill, Ahmad Black, and Majro Wright at S. The DBs have 25 INTs this year.
UF's DL is not one that gets a ton of penetration from the DTs unless Torrey Davis is in the game. But they generally do not give up ground. The Gators have good to great size and speed on the ends with 6-8 290 Dunlap, 6-4 265 Trattou, 6-3 255 Cunningham, and 6-4 260 Lemmens. Dunlap and Trattou will slide inside to tackle at times as well. The LBers are arguably some of the best in the league led by Brandon Spikes who is flanked by JR Dustin Doe and JR Ryan Stamper. The secondary has made amends for a lousy '07 with Janoris Jenkins, Joe Haden, and Markihe Anderson at CB and Will Hill, Ahmad Black, and Majro Wright at S. The DBs have 25 INTs this year.
Slight lean on Alabama.
Alabama's gameplan is similiar to what you see in the NFL, something that a Pittsburgh or a Parcells coached NYG team would do. They play defense and can run the football, combined with solid lines on both sides of the ball.
This game really comes down to one thing imo, can Tim Tebow throw the ball with accuracy for an entire game. There is a reason Tebow is another in the long list of Heisman candidates who is not considered a top flight pro prospect. He misses open receivers to often and against a team like Bama, he must take advantage when guys get open by 2 or 3 yards and not miss them.
Take a look at the Ole Miss game. Yes, UF had 5 turnovers, but it wasn't like they were playing against air. Tebow missed guys that were open for TDs. Also, Tebow does a poor job of looking at other receivers on patterns as he locks in on certain receivers at certain times. Florida must, must be able to run the ball to be successful. I also expect to see a variety of blitz packages and also expect to see someone key on Tebow when he attempts to run.
Say what you like about Satan, but the guy can flat out coach defense.
As for JPW, he is not expected to win the game, but he hasn't made the fatal mistake this year that many have expected. I also believe this team has many similiarities to the 2002 Ohio State team. Not very flash, but plays fundamental football and I think Bama is very similiar. Also, in 1993, everyone said the samething when Bama played Miami, but their defense rose up again.
It will be interesting to see how things play out in the early part of the game. I do believe that this is a game where it will be easy to determine if you are going to win or lose your bet depending on who you have. Either Florida comes out and gets up on Bama quickly and wins in a blowout or Florida has to fight for their life to advance. I don't think the number comes into play.
Alabama's gameplan is similiar to what you see in the NFL, something that a Pittsburgh or a Parcells coached NYG team would do. They play defense and can run the football, combined with solid lines on both sides of the ball.
This game really comes down to one thing imo, can Tim Tebow throw the ball with accuracy for an entire game. There is a reason Tebow is another in the long list of Heisman candidates who is not considered a top flight pro prospect. He misses open receivers to often and against a team like Bama, he must take advantage when guys get open by 2 or 3 yards and not miss them.
Take a look at the Ole Miss game. Yes, UF had 5 turnovers, but it wasn't like they were playing against air. Tebow missed guys that were open for TDs. Also, Tebow does a poor job of looking at other receivers on patterns as he locks in on certain receivers at certain times. Florida must, must be able to run the ball to be successful. I also expect to see a variety of blitz packages and also expect to see someone key on Tebow when he attempts to run.
Say what you like about Satan, but the guy can flat out coach defense.
As for JPW, he is not expected to win the game, but he hasn't made the fatal mistake this year that many have expected. I also believe this team has many similiarities to the 2002 Ohio State team. Not very flash, but plays fundamental football and I think Bama is very similiar. Also, in 1993, everyone said the samething when Bama played Miami, but their defense rose up again.
It will be interesting to see how things play out in the early part of the game. I do believe that this is a game where it will be easy to determine if you are going to win or lose your bet depending on who you have. Either Florida comes out and gets up on Bama quickly and wins in a blowout or Florida has to fight for their life to advance. I don't think the number comes into play.
Bama plus the points. Throw everything else out; the bottom line is that Bama is traditionally very successful in the underdog role. VERY. If somebody went to the trouble of checking their record as an underdog the last 10-15 years, I would guess they would find anywhere from 70% to 90% covering of the spread. Just guessing.
This sets up just like last year when FLA was big favortie to MICH in Capital One Bowl. FLA riding high, nobody thought they could be stopped, etc. I would much rather have the double digit points with a very quality team coached by a legend, I don't care who their playing. GL
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This sets up just like last year when FLA was big favortie to MICH in Capital One Bowl. FLA riding high, nobody thought they could be stopped, etc. I would much rather have the double digit points with a very quality team coached by a legend, I don't care who their playing. GL
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Again, this is a fallacy. His TD pass in the FSU game to Murphy was a 26yd bullet. Incredible pass while rolling to his RIGHT which is very difficult for a lefty.
Tebow gets no credit for his ability to throw the ball - esp the deep ball where he's remarkable accurate. You are taking the OM game out of context IMO. He's been very good throwing deep passes his entire career. Everyone has off games occasionally.
What about the 45yd bomb to Riley Cooper while under pressure vs Citadel? Great pass - right on the money.
Dating back to and including 1998 here is Alabama's record as an underdog:
SU: 13-34-0 (28%)
ATS: 25-19-3 (57%)
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