What Kind of Country Do We Want To Be?

[KingEleven]

should we ban people from having these?

 

[Enfuego]

let them kill 22 people instead of 49...that really makes you feel better? Yeah that'll show ISIS who's boss.

No guy, that's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying if we can limit the damage a guy determined to inflict this kind of damage can do, it's better than nothing. If a guy only kills 5 in a mall because he has a knife instead of an AR-15, that is better than losing 35 don't you think?

 

[KingEleven]

No guy, that's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying if we can limit the damage a guy determined to inflict this kind of damage can do, it's better than nothing. If a guy only kills 5 in a mall because he has a knife instead of an AR-15, that is better than losing 35 don't you think?

sure it's "better" but you are going after the wrong issue.....you need to go after Muslims and Mentally Ill people when possible. Although one could say it will be worse without guns because bombs kill more! Planes kill more! Rice Cookers could kill more.

 

[KingEleven]

and by the way, no one on here has brought up Obama's indifference! Did you watch his 5 minute speech on Sunday?It was like he was being inconvenienced, he does not care at all! He reminds me of that lady that said "What difference does it make"?

 

[Enfuego]

sure it's "better" but you are going after the wrong issue.....you need to go after Muslims and Mentally Ill people when possible. Although one could say it will be worse without guns because bombs kill more! Planes kill more! Rice Cookers could kill more.

You haven't been around long enough to understand how the guys on this forum feel about these issues. It's all been said before.

Not going to go into great detail again.

 

[KingEleven]

You haven't been around long enough to understand how the guys on this forum feel about these issues. It's all been said before.

Not going to go into great detail again.

Fair enough

 

[boss415]

Well, of course you can if there aren't exits and the guy is good with the 9MM. My accuracy will be more spot on with the M-4 and my grouping tighter than a 9MM. But, what you're leaving out is the damage done by the pistol is much less severe than the automatic so a guy can get shot by a 9MM and still run if it's a shot to the arm, leg etc.

Your groupings and accuracy? This wasnt a hundred foot target range. Give me a massive break. 300 people packed in a club and you are talking about accuracy? A 9 mm does just as much damage close range.

 

[Enfuego]

Your groupings and accuracy? This wasnt a hundred foot target range. Give me a massive break. 300 people packed in a club and you are talking about accuracy? A 9 mm does just as much damage close range.[/QUOTE]

No, this isn't remotely accurate.

 

[Willie99]

The Fourth Amendment has been essentially gutted by the courts, so why is the Second Amendment seen as untouchable?

my words you quoted answer your question

I believe the Constitution has been bastardized enough already, and I think doing so as caused decay in our great country, I really do

I'm not even a gun owner myself, not yet anyhow, but I'm an big advocate for preserving the Constitution


although I don't think the 4th amendment has been gutted, I think the whole intent of a non-overbearing federal government and states rights have been almost totally ignored, as well as protecting the fruits of one's labor.

 

[Albatross]

I have a couple friends who have the AR type rifles. We occasionally go out and shoot them. They are pretty fun, but they all are for recreation.

 

[Acebb]

What is even funnier about all of this is the shooter didn't even use an AR-15 (he used a Sig MCX Carbine) which of course means Democrats want to ban them.

 

[Acebb]

The Virginia Tech shooter entered a room with no exits other than the main door. Of course everyone was going to die in there. If there had been one or two other exits, he'd have killed a lot less.

Sure, because 32 is less than 49.

You're absolutely correct. Nobody has to explain anything to anyone regarding their rights. That's what's great about our nation.

The problem is, the VA Tech shooting didn't take place in a single classroom.

The shooter killed 2 people in a dormitory then walked into a 4,300 SQ Foot building and started shooting.

 

[Acebb]

You can't shoot 25 rounds with a handgun as quickly as a fully automatic rifle TF. You know that as well as I do.

How do I know? Because I've shot both. One from a 9MM and the other from an M-4. I can empty an M-4 as quickly as you can say a complete sentence. Not the case with a handgun.

Nobody used a fully automatic rifle.

Why are you brining these nonsensical points up?

 

[Willie99]

Radical Islamic terrorists are not deterred by gun control laws

 

[boss415]

Your groupings and accuracy? This wasnt a hundred foot target range. Give me a massive break. 300 people packed in a club and you are talking about accuracy? A 9 mm does just as much damage close range.

You are out of your mind. Do you think there was sighting in going on? The shooter didnt have to have accuracy. Stop making it about the gun.

 

[KingEleven]

Radical Islamic terrorists are not deterred by gun control laws

enough said!

 

[Enfuego]

The problem is, the VA Tech shooting didn't take place in a single classroom.

The shooter killed 2 people in a dormitory then walked into a 4,300 SQ Foot building and started shooting.

Most of his victims were killed in a classroom.

 

[Enfuego]

Nobody used a fully automatic rifle.

Why are you brining these nonsensical points up?

Early reports were fully automatic. If the early reports are wrong, my apologies but it still doesn't answer why anyone in America needs an automatic rifle.

 

[Enfuego]

Why can't we have something in place that indicates when a guy of known interest to the FBI tries to buy guns, it automatically tips off the feds?

 

[Mr_Mark]

Why can't we have something in place that indicates when a guy of known interest to the FBI tries to buy guns, it automatically tips off the feds?

maybe the "watch list" is more of a scare tactic. Or is not as big and bad as its made out to be. The no fly list is legit. Why is this not the same. Can't understand either how he was able to do this without it triggering a red flag.