What Kind of Country Do We Want To Be?

[Enfuego]

people will find ways to commit mass murders if that's their intent

but lets apply your logic in a different matter, do people's rights to not be racially profiled outweigh society's interest to prevent mass shootings?

one instance addresses a root cause, the other just encourages a different path

But the point Willie is this, with access to only a handgun or shotgun, you can't kill 49 people in one night in a night club. Yes, you will kill but not that number.

For the life of me, I don't see any reason whatsoever for a person other than a cop or a military member to own an AR-15. There is no conceivable reason as to why a human needs the weapon under any circumstance.

Now, ACEBB brings up a good point...they're out on the street. I get that but at a certain point you have to ban them then begin the long arduous process to eliminate them. It wouldn't be easy but what is the repercussion if you don't try something?

I feel for the victims and in no way am I going on a rant about gun control. I'll leave that to forum stooge Vitertard.

 

[Seymour]

I don't think anyone should be able to own this type of gun unless they can show a real reason - certainly no sand ****** should be able to buy one - but the real issue is why hasn't this mosque in ft pierce been demo'd yet? 2 suicide rodents came from there

 

[GoSooners]

But the point Willie is this, with access to only a handgun or shotgun, you can't kill 49 people in one night in a night club. Yes, you will kill but not that number.

For the life of me, I don't see any reason whatsoever for a person other than a cop or a military member to own an AR-15. There is no conceivable reason as to why a human needs the weapon under any circumstance.

Now, ACEBB brings up a good point...they're out on the street. I get that but at a certain point you have to ban them then begin the long arduous process to eliminate them. It wouldn't be easy but what is the repercussion if you don't try something?

I feel for the victims and in no way am I going on a rant about gun control. I'll leave that to forum stooge Vitertard.

There isn't any reason for a citizen to own one. I don't care if there are 10 million of them out there, they should ban them. Make these shooters pay 10x more for one on the black market. Let them try to pay the mob with a credit card...

 

[Enfuego]

There isn't any reason for a citizen to own one. I don't care if there are 10 million of them out there, they should ban them. Make these shooters pay 10x more for one on the black market. Let them try to pay the mob with a credit card...

Well yeah, I agree. If anyone can tell me why the average citizen needs an AR-15, I'm all ears. Any one of us can defend our homes with a handgun, shotgun or rifle etc.

 

[JohnnyMac]

The fact that you are pretending that AR-15 = mass shooting! is kind of surreal.

There are more than 5 million AR-15's in America and rifles of all types kill fewer than 400 people per year. In other words, you are 2,000 times more likely to die in your bathroom from drowning or a slip & fall than you are to be killed by an AR-15.

I see there are few more people in this thread "pretending," too.

Surreal!

 

[Willie99]

But the point Willie is this, with access to only a handgun or shotgun, you can't kill 49 people in one night in a night club. Yes, you will kill but not that number.

For the life of me, I don't see any reason whatsoever for a person other than a cop or a military member to own an AR-15. There is no conceivable reason as to why a human needs the weapon under any circumstance.

Now, ACEBB brings up a good point...they're out on the street. I get that but at a certain point you have to ban them then begin the long arduous process to eliminate them. It wouldn't be easy but what is the repercussion if you don't try something?

I feel for the victims and in no way am I going on a rant about gun control. I'll leave that to forum stooge Vitertard.

there are literally millions if not 10's of millions of MSR's owned in the United States, almost none used to commit crimes

there are thousands of murders committed every year, a very small % by MSR's

improved intelligence is the best way to curtail terrorism, but we can't profile dontchaknow

I think it's all a superficial red herring my friend

http://goal.org/newspages/AWB-truth.html

http://www.romans322.com/daily-death-rate-statistics.php

 

[Enfuego]

there are literally millions if not 10's of millions of MSR's owned in the United States, almost none used to commit crimes

there are thousands of murders committed every year, a very small % by MSR's

improved intelligence is the best way to curtail terrorism, but we can't profile dontchaknow

I think it's all a superficial red herring my friend

http://goal.org/newspages/AWB-truth.html

http://www.romans322.com/daily-death-rate-statistics.php

I got ya Willie. I really do. Still doesn't answer the mail for me as to why any human needs to own one.

 

[Willie99]

if any gun is to be banned, it has to be by a constitutional amendment

I believe the Constitution has been bastardized enough already, and I think doing so as caused decay in our great country, I really do

I'm not even a gun owner myself, not yet anyhow, but I'm an big advocate for preserving the Constitution

 

[JohnnyMac]

if any gun is to be banned, it has to be by a constitutional amendment

I believe the Constitution has been bastardized enough already, and I think doing so as caused decay in our great country, I really do

I'm not even a gun owner myself, not yet anyhow, but I'm an big advocate for preserving the Constitution

The Fourth Amendment has been essentially gutted by the courts, so why is the Second Amendment seen as untouchable?

 

[Acebb]

But the point Willie is this, with access to only a handgun or shotgun, you can't kill 49 people in one night in a night club. Yes, you will kill but not that number.

Considering the VA Tech shooter killed 32 people with a Walther P-22 pistol and a 9-MM Glock, in less time than the Orlando shooter was in that nightclub, why don't you tell us how you arrive at this conclusion?

After you're done doing that, please explain how 32 dead is somehow less awful than 49?

I got ya Willie. I really do. Still doesn't answer the mail for me as to why any human needs to own one.

That is the great part about living in a free society build around a Constitutional Republic, nobody has to explain why or how to they wish to exercise their rights.

 

[texansfan]

But the point Willie is this, with access to only a handgun or shotgun, you can't kill 49 people in one night in a night club. Yes, you will kill but not that number.

For the life of me, I don't see any reason whatsoever for a person other than a cop or a military member to own an AR-15. There is no conceivable reason as to why a human needs the weapon under any circumstance.

Now, ACEBB brings up a good point...they're out on the street. I get that but at a certain point you have to ban them then begin the long arduous process to eliminate them. It wouldn't be easy but what is the repercussion if you don't try something?

I feel for the victims and in no way am I going on a rant about gun control. I'll leave that to forum stooge Vitertard.

Absolutely, 100% false. You can get a magazine that holds 20-25 rounds in a handgun. I could easily unload that magazine and reload very quickly. Unless the AR-15 he used was modified into fully auto, it's still as fast as you can pull the trigger for both.

 

[Enfuego]

Considering the VA Tech shooter killed 32 people with a Walther P-22 pistol and a 9-MM Glock, in less time than the Orlando shooter was in that nightclub, why don't you tell us how you arrive at this conclusion?

After you're done doing that, please explain how 32 dead is somehow less awful than 49?



That is the great part about living in a free society build around a Constitutional Republic, nobody has to explain why or how to they wish to exercise their rights.

The Virginia Tech shooter entered a room with no exits other than the main door. Of course everyone was going to die in there. If there had been one or two other exits, he'd have killed a lot less.

Sure, because 32 is less than 49.

You're absolutely correct. Nobody has to explain anything to anyone regarding their rights. That's what's great about our nation.

 

[Enfuego]

Absolutely, 100% false. You can get a magazine that holds 20-25 rounds in a handgun. I could easily unload that magazine and reload very quickly. Unless the AR-15 he used was modified into fully auto, it's still as fast as you can pull the trigger for both.

You can't shoot 25 rounds with a handgun as quickly as a fully automatic rifle TF. You know that as well as I do.

How do I know? Because I've shot both. One from a 9MM and the other from an M-4. I can empty an M-4 as quickly as you can say a complete sentence. Not the case with a handgun.

 

[texansfan]

You can't shoot 25 rounds on a handgun as quickly as a fully automatic rifle TF. You know that as well as I do.

How do I know? Because I've shot both. One from a 9MM and the other from an M-4. I can empty an M-4 as quickly as you can say a complete sentence. Not the case with a handgun.

Was his weapon fully auto? It wasn't sold as fully auto. Has it been reported it was modified?

I was the last of those who got to use the fully-auto M-16 in the military. I know what a fully auto will do.

 

[boss415]

You can't shoot 25 rounds with a handgun as quickly as a fully automatic rifle TF. You know that as well as I do.

How do I know? Because I've shot both. One from a 9MM and the other from an M-4. I can empty an M-4 as quickly as you can say a complete sentence. Not the case with a handgun.

To clarify for one last time the AR-15 type rifle he used was NOT AUTOMATIC

 

[texansfan]

To clarify for one last time the AR-15 type rifle he used was NOT AUTOMATIC

That was my question, I haven't read or heard it was converted.

 

[boss415]

Ten shot clip and some spares could easily kill that many with a nine mm pistol. It takes the same amount of time to change maybe less with the pistol

 

[Enfuego]

Was his weapon fully auto? It wasn't sold as fully auto. Has it been reported it was modified?

I was the last of those who got to use the fully-auto M-16 in the military. I know what a fully auto will do.

Well yeah, TF, I'm assuming it is but of course can be wrong so we'll see I guess. Yeah, M-16s are all but phased out now.

 

[Enfuego]

Ten shot clip and some spares could easily kill that many with a nine mm pistol. It takes the same amount of time to change maybe less with the pistol

Well, of course you can if there aren't exits and the guy is good with the 9MM. My accuracy will be more spot on with the M-4 and my grouping tighter than a 9MM. But, what you're leaving out is the damage done by the pistol is much less severe than the automatic so a guy can get shot by a 9MM and still run if it's a shot to the arm, leg etc.

 

[KingEleven]

But the point Willie is this, with access to only a handgun or shotgun, you can't kill 49 people in one night in a night club. Yes, you will kill but not that number.

For the life of me, I don't see any reason whatsoever for a person other than a cop or a military member to own an AR-15. There is no conceivable reason as to why a human needs the weapon under any circumstance.

Now, ACEBB brings up a good point...they're out on the street. I get that but at a certain point you have to ban them then begin the long arduous process to eliminate them. It wouldn't be easy but what is the repercussion if you don't try something?

I feel for the victims and in no way am I going on a rant about gun control. I'll leave that to forum stooge Vitertard.

let them kill 22 people instead of 49...that really makes you feel better? Yeah that'll show ISIS who's boss.