What Kind of Country Do We Want To Be?

[Acebb]

The new dumb talking point from the left is now: IT TOOK LESS TIME TO BUY AN AR-15 THAN IT DOES AT THE DMV!!!!



These people really do not live in reality. I also just had some fake non-gun owning poser tell me that an AR-15 is the exact same thing as an M14.

These loons are everywhere and are not shy about embarrassing themselves.

 

[wilbur]

The new dumb talking point from the left is now: IT TOOK LESS TIME TO BUY AN AR-15 THAN IT DOES AT THE DMV!!!!



These people really do not live in reality. I also just had some fake non-gun owning poser tell me that an AR-15 is the exact same thing as an M14.

These loons are everywhere and are not shy about embarrassing themselves.

An AR15 is not an assault rifle,just chiming in

 

[wilbur]

And I'm not a gun owner, but I do have a FOID card

 

[pocketrockets]

Ar-15 no more deadly than a pistol in those tight quarters enfuego

Actually if the guy had a handgun I'm willing to say he gets tackled before killing 5 people. -450 on that.

However the whole gun dilemma is dumb at this point, terrorists will always get automatic weapons. The gun ban didnt help the french, if anything it put them in danger as most likely any armed civilian would interfere with the attacks. I carry, if I see a mass shooting starting to develop I simply take over a corner, study and wait so I can get a kill shot, a head shot; this fuckers usually carry bulletproof vests.

 

[boss415]

Actually if the guy had a handgun I'm willing to say he gets tackled before killing 5 people. -450 on that.

However the whole gun dilemma is dumb at this point, terrorists will always get automatic weapons. The gun ban didnt help the french, if anything it put them in danger as most likely any armed civilian would interfere with the attacks. I carry, if I see a mass shooting starting to develop I simply take over a corner, study and wait so I can get a kill shot, a head shot; this fuckers usually carry bulletproof vests.

Ok no offense but how does one holding a rifle make him harder to tackle than one holding a pistol?

 

[pocketrockets]

Ok no offense but how does one holding a rifle make him harder to tackle than one holding a pistol?

For the ordinary person a rifle will always be more menacing than a gun... not to mention he would need to reload more often. Someone with a 9mm reloading every 12-18 shots doesnt compare to someone reloading every 30-40 shots, especially if said bullets are faster and cause more damage, according to doctors, those bullets do more damage.

 

[texansfan]

I'm going to say I doubt anyone at that club would have tackled the gunman. When shooting starts, people look to run, not advance on the person shooting unless they have been trained to do so.

I'll bet if some of those customers had been armed there would have been less casualties.

 

[pocketrockets]

I'm going to say I doubt anyone at that club would have tackled the gunman. When shooting starts, people look to run, not advance on the person shooting unless they have been trained to do so.

I'll bet if some of those customers had been armed there would have been less casualties.

+1 thats my point... I'm not even debating gun laws cause thats not the issue here... 2 people can easily tackle 1 gunman from behind... people are more prone to tackle someone wielding a 9mm Beretta than someone wielding a 12 gauge shotgun or a rifle... is just more imposing, but nevertheless thats not the issue here just answering Boss 415. I know one 9mm bullet MIGHT kill me but I know a 40caliber or a 12 gauge WILL explode my torso and kill me. There's a difference.

Guns are not the issue, the terrorist is the issue. How many mass shootings in the name of hindus, christians, buddhist or jews have we seen in the last 10 years? This islam BS is out of control. That and the fact the left fails to mention islamic terrorism is a factor.

 

[texansfan]

+1 thats my point... I'm not even debating gun laws cause thats not the issue here... 2 people can easily tackle 1 gunman from behind... people are more prone to tackle someone wielding a 9mm Beretta than someone wielding a 12 gauge shotgun or a rifle... is just more imposing, but nevertheless thats not the issue here just answering Boss 415. I know one 9mm bullet MIGHT kill me but I know a 40caliber or a 12 gauge WILL explode my torso and kill me. There's a difference.

Guns are not the issue, the terrorist is the issue. How many mass shootings in the name of hindus, christians, buddhist or jews have we seen in the last 10 years? This islam BS is out of control. That and the fact the left fails to mention islamic terrorism is a factor.

Agree.

What's most disturbing about Barry is that to this day, he still won't admit that terrorism has a religious component to it. Just flat out refuses to do so. Something wrong with that.

 

[RunMaker]

More attacks coming. Just the beginning.

Paris
Brussels
San Bernadino
Orlando

And the knife attack on the French cop (ban knives) and he killed the wife as well.


This is just the beginning.

Can you imagine France in 20 years? With that dormant population it's like they've got a cocoon of terror. All those cockroach eggs are going to hatch and it will be the Middle East in France.

 

[pocketrockets]

More attacks coming. Just the beginning.

Paris
Brussels
San Bernadino
Orlando

And the knife attack on the French cop (ban knives) and he killed the wife as well.


This is just the beginning.

Can you imagine France in 20 years? With that dormant population it's like they've got a cocoon of terror. All those cockroach eggs are going to hatch and it will be the Middle East in France.

Yep... lol at ban knives... people are so gullible. Hey if I wanna kill somebody I will use anything that helps me doing so... a fork, an umbrella, a meat hook, a pencil in the eye socket. You name it.

Germany is one country that worries me. Merkel is dellutional.

 

[ML Dog]

I'm going to say I doubt anyone at that club would have tackled the gunman. When shooting starts, people look to run, not advance on the person shooting unless they have been trained to do so.

Some people just Freeze Up as well, if they've not been trained as you cite. An armed citizenry on Pins and Needles, ready to unleash....at pops (such as firecrackers being set off by some kids) or even just the arrival of a Bearded Middle Eastern Man into a public spot is where we will be at very very soon. If we are not already there, after this.

The next move the ONLY next move available is for Muslims to Unite, Rise and Stop this shit.

No More Excuses Muslims have to Rise and devote themselves to getting this shit stopped. Period.


If we do not see massive numbers of Muslims from amongst those 1.7 Billion Peaceful that we keep hearing about unite and do more than just make noises from their heads about how they abhor this violence many genuinely peaceful people of Arabic descent will be placed in big peril. Muslim People are the only ones who can keep this from spiraling totally out of control.

American People feel cornered. Humans are also Animals. We know what happens when an animal is cornered and it feels desperation.

Muslims need to Unite, Rise and get this shit stopped.

She needs a bit more than hashtag Not In My Name https://twitter.com/hashtag/notinmyname?lang=en

 

[ML Dog]

More attacks coming. Just the beginning.

Paris
Brussels
San Bernadino
Orlando

And the knife attack on the French cop (ban knives) and he killed the wife as well.


This is just the beginning.

Can you imagine France in 20 years? With that dormant population it's like they've got a cocoon of terror. All those cockroach eggs are going to hatch and it will be the Middle East in France.

Research The Politics/History (Life) of Angela Merkel and others in Power within Germany and you will see that, along with certain Swedish Leaders, there is the genuine possibility based upon certain truths of these people's life experience's and thus the beliefs/philosophies that they have the exact opposite of the well being and safety of the people of Germany & Sweden in their minds and hearts.

Its hard to know what is accurate and what is not in regards to this but some of what is said is absolutely chilling.

There has got to be a reason that European Leaders have willingly allowed the immigration in to their countries of people that it was known were going to brutalize the most vulnerable amongst the population, the women and children and over time outbreed the people of Germany & Sweden to such a large degree that these nations would die and be reborn as Muslim Countries.

Some have sought to find out why and to explain why.

And their explanations are the most awful thing imaginable.

 

[texansfan]

You know Hillary and Merkel have spent a few nights together.

 

[ML Dog]

You know Hillary and Merkel have spent a few nights together.

They fucking Look like twins born of Broom Fucking Hilda

I swear I seriously have never seen a pair of women more thoroughly define "Hags" than these two hideous fucking old crones.

hag
noun: hag; plural noun: hags

1. a witch, especially one in the form of an ugly old woman ​

 

[busterhyman]

the libs want everybody to be muslim

 

[Willie99]

how is that ban on Saturday Night Specials working in Chicago? Detroit? St Louis?

and just about every other democratic controlled large urban area?

 

[Enfuego]

how is that ban on Saturday Night Specials working in Chicago? Detroit? St Louis?

and just about every other democratic controlled large urban area?

Like I said in the other thread, a good start would be if a person on a terror watch list attempts to buy ammunition/weapons, a red flag is immediately raised with the FBI or DEA etc. I'm not sure something like that is in place etc. and there are civil liberty issues with that one too.

 

[Willie99]

Excerpts from an article about gun violence in Chicago
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From that hierarchy, a few patterns emerge. The city’s criminals, for instance, prefer semiautomatic pistols to revolvers and generally seek out cheap junk guns. What’s also notable is the type of gun that doesn’t appear among the top models seized. In 2014, Chicago police recovered only three assault weapons associated with criminal incidents. “Often there’s a misimpression about the importance of assault guns and assault weapons, and it’s important to point out how rare that is,” says Phillip Cook, an economist at Duke University who studies underground gun markets. “The guns being used in Chicago for crime and murder are by and large very ordinary pistols.”.......................................................

Between 80 to 85 percent of the city’s homicides are committed with a gun. Of those murders, a “preponderance” are carried out by gang members, according to a 2015 report co-authored by Duke’s Phillip Cook. Friends comfort each other at a Chicago memorial service for a gun violence victim in 2014. (Getty Images/Scott Olson)

The weapons of choice for gangs today are 9MM semiautomatic handguns, followed by .40 caliber and .45 caliber semiautomatics, says Thomas Ahern, an ATF senior agent based in Chicago. It makes sense then that those calibers account for about half of the crime guns recovered by police.
Until the 1980s, .38-caliber revolvers were the most popular crime guns, according to Cook. These revolvers were more reliable and cheaper than semiautomatic pistols of the era. But that changed as manufacturers began producing semiautomatics that were just as efficient and affordable as revolvers. What makes semiautomatics particularly appealing to gang members is that they generally have a higher capacity than revolvers, meaning they can fire more shots before it’s necessary to reload.
Drug money is allowing gang members to buy better guns

Glock is one of the most name-dropped brands in Jay-Z’s lyrics, and the Austrian firearm manufacturer has received prominent shout-outs from Wu-Tang Clan and 50 Cent, among other hip-hop artists. If you assume the references to be instances of art following illegal commerce, you might imagine that Glocks are practically littering inner-city streets. But that’s not the case. Given their high cost — the retail price for a Glock .45 or 9MM runs between $515 to $595 at one Chicago-area dealer — Glocks have typically remained out of reach for most gang members and the straw purchasers who often supply them.
“A lot of gang members and criminals are settling for what they can get their hands on and afford,” says Duke’s Phillip Cook. But just because gang members can’t afford a Glock, that doesn’t mean they don’t want one. “Glock would probably be the weapon of choice for most of the gangs,” says the ATF’s Thomas Ahern. “They view Glocks as top of the line.”
In recent years, Ahern says he has seen a shift in the quality of guns used by Chicago gangs. Gangs usually purchase cheap guns and dispose of them once they’ve been used in a crime, so they can avoid getting caught with the weapon down the line. But Ahern has noticed that an influx of cash from the narcotics trade has allowed some gang members to purchase higher-quality guns like Glocks, which they generally hold onto.................................


In the 1980s, a group of gun manufacturers set up shop outside Los Angeles, California. These companies, which included Raven Arms and Lorcin Engineering, were collectively dubbed the “Ring of Fire,” as they became notorious for producing simple, cheap handguns commonly known as “Saturday Night Specials.” Even though these junk guns had a tendency to misfire or malfunction, production by Ring of Fire companies grew exponentially, and by 1990, they churned out one-third of all handguns in the U.S. A trace report by the ATF in the 1990s found that Saturday Night Specials like the ones produced by Raven and Lorcin were 3.4 times more likely to be used in crimes than other guns.
Though both companies have been out of business for decades, the appearance of the Lorcin .380 and Raven .25 among Chicago’s most seized guns speaks to the enduring appeal of the Saturday Night Special. Harold Pollack, co-director of the University of Chicago Crime Lab, says that many black market gun customers are looking for a weapon that even the least skilled person can operate. These firearms fit the bill.

Older guns are also easier to buy for cheap on the black market, adding to their attraction, especially for younger gang members. Cook’s research has shown that crime guns purchased by gang members tend to be an average of12.6 years old....................................................................

 

[Willie99]

legalization of recreational drugs will go a long way in curtailing gun violence in this country, something that will happen eventually and a path much more palatable than taking away constitutional rights

the two biggest causes of gun violence in this world? drugs and fanatical Muslims



inanimate objects don't commit crimes, they don't think, they can't make decisions (no, they're not the same as the resident liberals, just have some similar characteristics)