West Coast/Pac-10 Week 02

Search
Joined
Oct 27, 2008
Messages
140
Tokens
Sorry, but that's not right. The entire Ivy League has a proscription on athletic scholarships. All scholarships given by any of the Ivy League schools are need based.

sources? Sure:
http://www.athleticscholarships.net/ivyleague.htm
http://www.collegescholarships.org/scholarships/sports/football.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/17/sports/ncaafootball/17ivy.html?pagewanted=print
and from the official website of the ivy league: http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/whatisivy/index.asp

Interesting to say the least. I guess I need to have a little talking to with this guy and will gladly bring up your info. In fact, thank you for all of this, the guy is "high maintenance" and somewhat of a jerk, now I can call him on what looks like some of his BS.
 
Joined
Oct 27, 2008
Messages
140
Tokens
This is after all my selections thread.
Since I've forgotten what they were, here's a recap:

Oregon St.-6½/UNLV*
UW-21/Idaho*
WSU+2½/Hawaii ½*
WSU/Hawaii U50½*
USC -5/OSU*** (GOW)

Conan, with the HI/WSU game, I come up with a 52.5 point total in my calcs and am left wondering what you see in this game and teams to give you a "buy" on the under? To me, 2 points doesn't have enough of an edge to it for me to consider betting a total.

Thanks in advance.
 

New member
Joined
Jan 8, 2006
Messages
2,800
Tokens
This is after all my selections thread.
Since I've forgotten what they were, here's a recap:

Oregon St.-6½/UNLV*
UW-21/Idaho*
WSU+2½/Hawaii ½*
WSU/Hawaii U50½*
USC -5/OSU*** (GOW)



PS... as I woefully have predicted, UCLA seems to be dwindling away via injuries. I hate to think this is possible but Kevin Craft might end up finishing out the season. It's just some kind of Bruin curse that I'm not sure is done with them. They've lost so many players over the past couple of years it's unreal.

I've been asking for a few years what is going on with the trainers at UCLA. How can a team constantly have so many injuries.
 

New member
Joined
Nov 20, 1998
Messages
23,315
Tokens
Not to nitpick but as a Stanferd hater I'm compelled to correct this misconception. Vanderbilt isn't even in the top 20 by any critieria I can find but I don't care about them. Stanferd has a very low admissions rate but that is simply a function of a high number of applicants. It typically ranks in the top 10, but never 1st, in mean SAT score of freshmen. It doesn't rank especially high in the percentage of admits who ranked in the top 10% of their high school class. Is it difficult to get into? Yes. Is it the most difficult? No. Especially if we consider specialty programs like some of the Engineering programs at Cal or MIT. And their graduate schools are, empirically speaking, of lesser quality than their undergraduate colleges. They're also responsible for legitimizing Condoleeza Rice who is, empirically speaking again, a fucking douche bag.

That said, I still think they cover on the road this weekend and your overall point is, as usual, a very good one. Thank you for letting me interrupt your excellent thread. No offense was or is intended.

Holyshit, politics of denigration even made it into that. OK you don't like 'em but what I was referring to was strictly the Div 1-A football teams and to be even more specific than that, BCS conference teams where such admission matters really count... which is of course something that guys like Vontaze Burfict would have little to do with just because Stanford is Stanford and they are not.

Some minuscule percentage of all the talent out there would qualify for admission to Stanford anyway, but Harbaugh has flipped that disadvantage into an advantage with the remaining players that do qualify. Smart jocks only need apply. A Stanford kind of guy... billionaire's club, what have you. That's not such a bad thing, especially when said smart jock also has 4 or 5 stars next to his name at Rivals. The whole point.

Thanks for the kudos. Now let's both hate Stanford especially because Harbaugh is the prick that scored a gratuitous TD vs San Jose with 9 seconds remaining in a game he had already won, consequentially costing me a ton one Saturday last year. Smart ass that he was. He knew exactly what he was doing. I'm not as stupid as he may think I am. He's definitely a player in more ways than he lets on. That aside, he is good and the Cardinal football program is progressing rapidly under his guidance... anyway, objectively speaking.

(whew)

BOL kiln, that was fun.
 

New member
Joined
Nov 20, 1998
Messages
23,315
Tokens
Conan, with the HI/WSU game, I come up with a 52.5 point total in my calcs and am left wondering what you see in this game and teams to give you a "buy" on the under? To me, 2 points doesn't have enough of an edge to it for me to consider betting a total.

Thanks in advance.

This bet was based on the assumption that neither team has much in the way of offense to offer, Hawaii being a team that appears to stress defense lately. I assume that they will be somewhat effective vs an OL that isn't so great and a passing game that showed only some success vs a suspect Cardinal secondary. It opened at 54 and dropped to 49 with me catching it in mid-fall. I can see the Coogs "unleashing" their offense to the tune of 24-27 points tops and winning this one going away. That's how my math sees it, at least in my head.
 

no stripes on my shirt but i can make her pu**y wh
Joined
Nov 19, 2008
Messages
4,571
Tokens
Not to nitpick but as a Stanferd hater I'm compelled to correct this misconception. Vanderbilt isn't even in the top 20 by any critieria I can find but I don't care about them. Stanferd has a very low admissions rate but that is simply a function of a high number of applicants. It typically ranks in the top 10, but never 1st, in mean SAT score of freshmen. It doesn't rank especially high in the percentage of admits who ranked in the top 10% of their high school class. Is it difficult to get into? Yes. Is it the most difficult? No. Especially if we consider specialty programs like some of the Engineering programs at Cal or MIT. And their graduate schools are, empirically speaking, of lesser quality than their undergraduate colleges. They're also responsible for legitimizing Condoleeza Rice who is, empirically speaking again, a fucking douche bag.

That said, I still think they cover on the road this weekend and your overall point is, as usual, a very good one. Thank you for letting me interrupt your excellent thread. No offense was or is intended.

cal state long beach had 80,000 applicants this past year and only admitted 3500 freshman and 2000 transfer students. does that mean they are distinquished also? @):mad:

also kiln, i see your other hatred, the one for conservative politicians is still intact. if i didnt know better i'd think that you had a PhD in paleoanthro/archaeology because your writings end in opinion :lol:

just playing with ya kiln, BOL this week :toast:

btw, im not sold on stanford covering on the east coast. :smoker2: as of now its a no play for me
 
Joined
Oct 27, 2008
Messages
140
Tokens
Tressell benches FS Anderson Russell

I guess the Buckeye fans got what they were hoping for with this line up change, as Tressell has benched his 5th year senior FS Anderson Russell, for the Junior Jermale Hines.



Russell was burned several times last week and gave up at least 1 TD to the Middies.



moz-screenshot.jpg
http://blog.dispatch.com/buckeyesblog/2009/09/what_30_minutes_of_practice_re.shtml

I posted this on my Twitter page earlier (@kgordonosu), but the biggest deal is that safety Anderson Russell was practicing with the second team today, and Jermale Hines was with the starters.
Somebody asked me recently if coach Jim Tressel is too loyal to his seniors, and I said, "He wasn't very loyal to Todd Boeckman after the USC game last year."
In other words, if you mess up badly enough, it doesn't matter how old you are, and it appears it has happened again.
Other observations:
-- The starting offensive line was the same. Andrew Miller first team left tackle, J.B. Shugarts second team, and Mike Adams running with the USC scout team.
-- WR Ray Small is back from a weekend illness and was with the second group of receivers.
-- WR DeVier Posey (ankle) was in pads but I did not see him take a snap during our allotted time. OSU badly needs him Saturday, in my opinion, to help stretch the USC defense.
-- Reserve DBs Ohrian Johnson and Travis Howard both were practicing after they sat out last week with minor injuries.
-- The scout team offense was testing the Buckeyes secondary with a fair amount of deep balls. I thought OSU's secondary help up well -- Chimdi Chekwa had a nice leaping interception in the end zone and Donnie Evege also had a nice breakup.
That's about all of consequence. 30 minutes goes by in a hurry!


Posted by Ken Gordon on September 8, 2009 8:27 PM | Permalink
 

Homer bets kill me!
Joined
Sep 14, 2006
Messages
4,105
Tokens
This is after all my selections thread.
Since I've forgotten what they were, here's a recap:

Oregon St.-6½/UNLV*
UW-21/Idaho*
WSU+2½/Hawaii ½*
WSU/Hawaii U50½*
USC -5/OSU*** (GOW)



PS... as I woefully have predicted, UCLA seems to be dwindling away via injuries. I hate to think this is possible but Kevin Craft might end up finishing out the season. It's just some kind of Bruin curse that I'm not sure is done with them. They've lost so many players over the past couple of years it's unreal.

Conan,

Your card looks pretty sharp right now.

UCLA is seemingly always putting people on the bench due to injury and it really is getting hard to watch.

BOL - BTW... I hope you were not classifying me under the same category as these other nuts Volunteer fans! That is hurtful, but if you cant beat 'em then join 'em!

Volunteers 31 vs. UCLA 3 (wouldn't that be awesome?)

Guru
 

New member
Joined
Nov 20, 1998
Messages
23,315
Tokens
Sure Guru,

You (SEC fans) can relate to this... for now I formally throw UCLA under the bus.
I think your predicted score is a little too much, but just a little. I lean towards laying the 10

Now here's my 2¢ for the day...

Talking some sh*t about OSU, giving the Beavers some sin city lip were one or two Rebels. However this little piece by Paul Buker is a little on the shady side... in parts he reminds me of a street-smart wiseguy that found himself a word processor laying in the street, (or maybe a back seat.) You'll see what I mean.

THURSDAY, bullet-riddled .. as I write this, at 5:49 a.m. Reed College time, the temperature is 75 degrees in Las Vegas and it will rise to 101 before the day is over. ... thankfully, I talked our budget-conscious sports editor out of saving $$$ by having Pac-10 writer Ken Goe and myself hitchhike to Sin City, blogging and twieeting down the highway when we weren't being questioned by state police, or harassed by truck drivers.

large_that%20strip%20that%20strip.jpg


Pac-10 writer Ken Goe and your blogger will eventually get to Las Vegas for Saturday night's UNLV-Oregon State game at Sam Boyd Stadium, but it's going to take awhile.
For the record, we're going in style Friday on a luxurious Southwest Airlines airplane (think "Sky King'') that I do believe was once leased by a Columbian "coffee'' company.
In order to do our part during lean times in the newspaper business, we were able to dramatically reduce our fare by taking a flight that starts in Portland, then touches down (do I have this itinerary right?) in Sacramento, Oakland, Gilroy, Calif., Palm Desert, and Salt Lake City before we arrive in Vegas, knackered after a nine-hour ordeal designed to render us totally exhaused so we don't take a cab and go directly to the MGM Grand, or, God forbid, to a three-drink-minimum floor show.

Which leads me into a morning link from the Las Vegas Sun newspaper, as UNLV defensive tackle Malo Taumua is explaining that whereas the Rebels had a motto "dream big'' going into their trip to Arizona State (THEY WON!) the situation is completely different going into Saturday night's game with Oregon State at Sam Boyd Stadium.
"When we play Oregon State, it's more expecting to win," Taumua said. "Because we know what it's like to play in Pac-10 country, and now they have to come into our house and play us. (It's) a completely different game, completely different players, completely different team."

small_sky%20king.jpg

Uh, can I get a bulkhead
aisle seat on this flight?

As we have suggested, it would be very good for UNLV if this was a completely different Rebels' team because UNLV was a college football version of single-ply toilet paper last season. I think William & Mary would have each run for 200 yards on that D in 2008.

Note: Yes, the "Sky King'' reference was aimed at some of our, uh, more mature readers. ... I always thought the dude was a drug smuggler.
More coming later today, and please follow us on Twitter at Twitter.com/PnBuker.

*************************************


PS... Sky King, yes that was on TV a long LONG time ago.
I once had a crush on his little niece Penny.

PPS... whoever has heard of "Reed College time?"
That's as inside a reference as they come and were

not for the fact that MY niece, Sarah graduated from

Reed, which is in the city of Portland, Oregon.

Who would know these things and WTF kind of
Columbian "coffee" is he referring to? Tsk tsk.

I understand these things but I still think this was a
pretty far fetched article in many ways.

What's that guy been drinking?

One point I do agree with though is that the Beaver secondary might need some work. Nevertheless, I do believe James Dockery and Tim Clark will handle their single-man coverages at the corners better than expected. And that Rebel red-zone offense won't look as good as it did last season when the Rebels left a lot more to be desired on the field. Hope 6½ isn't too big anyway. (also check out that link to the LV Sun in the above piece)
 

New member
Joined
Nov 20, 1998
Messages
23,315
Tokens
I understand why many people here would expect an 18-year old freshman quarterback to make a lot of mistakes and blow it. However, I would ask you to read the following piece about him that was posted just today on ESPN's website. An interview with USC players who talk about him and how he handles himself and the offense. Consider it a good chance to get to know Matt Barkley a little better. And FWIW, this is good material to consider when you handicap USC.

Enjoy.


Barkley vs. the Horseshoe: Who wins?

September 10, 2009 1:07 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Ted Miller

The true freshman stepped into the huddle. He told his teammates not to worry. He would lead them to victory in a hostile environment.
<table align="right" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="4" width="203"><tbody><tr><td> </td><td>
ncf_i_barkley_200.jpg
</td></tr><tr><td> </td><td align="left">Brad Schloss/Icon SMI</td></tr><tr><td> </td><td align="left">Matt Barkley faces a true test going into the Horseshoe for his first start on the road.</td></tr></tbody></table>
And Tennessee lineman Jason Layman turned to Peyton Manning and told him to "Shut up and call the play."

It's not easy being a true freshman quarterback for many reasons, including veteran teammates who couldn't care less about a scintillating prep pedigree.

USC guard Jeff Byers is a 24-year-old, sixth-year senior. He's the leader of a veteran offensive line that might be the nation's best unit. He's seen just about everything while blocking for three different quarterbacks who are now in the NFL.

Nonetheless, if true freshman Matt Barkley gave him an earful about a blown assignment, he said he'd take it without complaint.

"Oh yeah, because the kid is good," Byers said. "But I don't think he'd be one of the guys who would say that. He'd be one who'd slap you on the butt and say, 'Let's go get 'em. We all make mistakes.'"

And what about Barkley making his first road start inside the unfriendly confines of Ohio Stadium, aka the Horseshoe?

"I think he'll thrive in those kinds of places because he's such a great competitor," Byers said.

There are two powerful, competing forces at work amid the pregame hype for No. 3 USC's visit to No. 8 Ohio State.

One camp in L.A. provides a collective shoulder shrug when asked about the combination of Barkley and infamous atmosphere of the Horseshoe, where the Buckeyes are 24-1 in nonconference games under coach Jim Tressel, the lone defeat coming in 2005 to eventual national champion Texas.

Barkley has repeatedly said he's not worried, and even added a "bring it on" after practice Tuesday, which might help turn the volume of the 102,000 on hand up another notch from 11 to 12.

The other force counters that Barkley is still a true freshman -- he turned 19 this week -- and that he's never played in an environment like the Horseshoe and that no matter how poised he may be, that environment will at least distract him even if he's not intimidated.

And distracted quarterbacks tend to make mistakes, particularly young ones.

USC coach Pete Carroll has fielded the question 100 different ways since the Trojans stomped San Jose State 56-3 in the opener, and the media haven't worn down his faith that Barkley will not only be fine but will excel because of the environment.

"I would think he's going to have fun with it and he's going to be excited to see what it looks like to be in an opponent's stadium of that stature and all," Carroll said. "And then he's going to go play. I don't think it will matter to him at all. That's just the way he's been and how he's handled things and he has such confidence and such comfort in his own skin. That will be extended into the setting as well."

New USC starting quarterbacks have good track records in big, early-season nonconference road games under Carroll. Matt Leinart was a sophomore when the Trojans whipped No. 6 Auburn 23-0. Junior John David Booty was brilliant -- completing 24 of 35 passes for 261 yards and three touchdowns with no interceptions -- when the Trojans bludgeoned Arkansas 50-14.

But neither was a true freshman.

Of course, the USC offense isn't only about Barkley. Far from it. Nine starters are back from 2008, and there's depth at every position.

"If you threw a freshman quarterback in there and everyone else was a rookie, it would be frightening," Tressel said. "But the beauty that Pete Carroll has there with Matt Barkley being in the game is that the offensive line is perfectly choreographed and all those folks he's got around him -- handing it to and throwing it to and protecting him and so forth -- that is as good of a situation as you can have."

Moreover, USC contends that Barkley is a true freshman in title only.

Receiver Damian Williams is tight with Aaron Corp, who lost the starting job to Barkley. But Williams said he knew Barkley was special early in spring practices, which Barkley participated in after graduating early from Mater Dei High School in Newport Beach, Calif.

"He was making throws that I didn't think high school quarterbacks were capable of making," Williams said.

Barkley also immediately asserted himself in the huddle against San Jose State, even when the offense sputtered in the first quarter.

"He came to the huddle calm and collected ... he gave us a couple of pep talks in the huddle," running back Joe McKnight said.

Byers was particularly impressed by how quickly Barkley put bad plays behind him, including the lone sack the Trojans surrendered.

"I thought that was a defining moment," Byers said. "I loved how he was in the huddle. More important than how he played -- his numbers -- was just how he handled himself and controlled the offense and led us."

Ah, but that competing force just smirks. To it, all this feels like a pep talk for a young man who is about to enter the belly of the beast.

A Horseshoe? On the Buckeyes side of things, Ohio Stadium is grinning as it anticipates the arrival of Matt Barkley.

*********************************************************
comment on the game

I won't ignore the fact that Aaron Pryor is a beast and a rare athlete at his position, but in USC's case, it comes down to who Barkley has playing around him and who Pryor has playing around him. Both QB's are going to figure heavily into this game so it is probably a good idea to look elsewhere. (I don't believe that Barkley will come apart.)
 

New member
Joined
Nov 20, 1998
Messages
23,315
Tokens
Conan,

Your card looks pretty sharp right now.

UCLA is seemingly always putting people on the bench due to injury and it really is getting hard to watch.

BOL - BTW... I hope you were not classifying me under the same category as these other nuts Volunteer fans! That is hurtful, but if you cant beat 'em then join 'em!

Volunteers 31 vs. UCLA 3 (wouldn't that be awesome?)

Guru

Guru, It takes a little more than just some homeristic sort of expression to get my mouth going in high gear. It takes some died in the wool arrogance and disrespect. I can take almost anything but that. Even then, it's often something worth ignoring until it gets nasty or just too stupid.


Joke of the day...

Q: What did the doe say when she walked out of the forest?

A: I'll never do that for 2 bucks again.


Recap:

Oregon St.-6½/UNLV*
UW-21/Idaho*
WSU+2½/Hawaii ½*
WSU/Hawaii U50½*
USC -5/OSU***
(GOW)
 

New member
Joined
Nov 20, 1998
Messages
23,315
Tokens
Guru, It takes a little more than just some homeristic sort of expression to get my mouth going in high gear. It takes some died in the wool arrogance and disrespect. I can take almost anything but that. Even then, it's often something worth ignoring until it gets nasty or just too stupid.


Joke of the day...

Q: What did the doe say when she walked out of the forest?

A: I'll never do that for 2 bucks again.

Up to now:
Oregon St.-6½/UNLV*
UW-21/Idaho*
WSU+2½/Hawaii ½*
WSU/Hawaii U50½*
USC -5/OSU***
(GOW)


2 updates/corrections:

WSU/Hawaii U53*
UW-20½/Idaho*


I just found WSU/Hawaii moved up to 53 at bookmaker just now and I took it.
I also found UW had moved back to -20½ and I hit that number too.
Get on them now if you want them. I can't say how long they will stay put.

Recap:

Oregon St.-6½/UNLV*
UW-20½/Idaho*
WSU+2½/Hawaii ½*
WSU/Hawaii U53*
USC -5/OSU***
(GOW)
 

New member
Joined
Dec 2, 2008
Messages
143
Tokens
i strongly agree with your usc, wsu, and osu plays. best of luck this year!
 

Homer bets kill me!
Joined
Sep 14, 2006
Messages
4,105
Tokens
Let's get you off of the second page here.

Any updates on this Pac 10 madness? I really like The Cardinal at Wake Forest. The time zone change has me questioning a lot but I just thought I had to ask you. I like Stanford, a lot.

Is that 9:00am if the game is at 12:00pm? LOL
 

L5Y, USC is 4-0 vs SEC, outscoring them 167-48!!!
Joined
Sep 20, 2004
Messages
7,025
Tokens
There is no way USC wins this game. This is going to be 1 of 3 losses this season. ND and Cal will also be a great moneyline play agains USC this year.


:pointer::pointer::pointer::pointer::pointer::pointer:
:baba::baba::baba::baba::baba::baba::baba::baba:
 

New member
Joined
Nov 20, 1998
Messages
23,315
Tokens
Let's get you off of the second page here.

Any updates on this Pac 10 madness? I really like The Cardinal at Wake Forest. The time zone change has me questioning a lot but I just thought I had to ask you. I like Stanford, a lot.

Is that 9:00am if the game is at 12:00pm? LOL

Guru, sight unseen, I lean to Stanford just because they have one awesome OL and Toby Gerhart is a very competent RB. Andrew Luck their freshman QB is proving himself to be their man, but he is just a freshman (starting his first big road game in his life) who is not named Matt Barkley. Gimme something about Wake's defensive line and LB's that could expose this as either a possible decent play or just a lean. Stanford has a tendency to run the ball right down their opponents throats if they are not stopped by a pretty damn good rushing defense.
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
252
Tokens
2 updates/corrections:

WSU/Hawaii U53*
UW-20½/Idaho*

I just found WSU/Hawaii moved up to 53 at bookmaker just now and I took it.
I also found UW had moved back to -20½ and I hit that number too.
Get on them now if you want them. I can't say how long they will stay put.

Recap:

Oregon St.-6½/UNLV*
UW-20½/Idaho*
WSU+2½/Hawaii ½*
WSU/Hawaii U53*
USC -5/OSU*** (GOW)


Good info in the thread Conan, and good luck to you this weekend. I do question the idea of "updating" the numbers for your plays because the market moved against your selections. Plays really need to be graded at time of the posting if they are going to have credibility.
 

New member
Joined
Nov 20, 1998
Messages
23,315
Tokens
Good info in the thread Conan, and good luck to you this weekend. I do question the idea of "updating" the numbers for your plays because the market moved against your selections. Plays really need to be graded at time of the posting if they are going to have credibility.

Normally I wouldn't do that Two-Niner but in this case I did put money on the new numbers as if I had just released the picks. Honest to Pete! (Carrol)

I think you are right though, so I will post all of it -- both parts, but I will probably split the action, ½ unit per play as I bet it at the book. I thought about doing it that way but I hope it isn't too confusing. Both halves will count as one win or one loss to be fair, but a half a win and a half a loss would be a nightmare to keep track of!!

I will post all of the wagers using all of the numbers I used but I don't want to call 2 bets on the same side 2 wins in the W/L column. I thought it would be simpler just to use one of the numbers but call it a push if ½ wins and ½ loses. Or one win OR one loss if both wagers are graded the same way.

I know this sounds confusing but I just got my big fat income tax refund check and I doubled my bankroll, whereupon I found better numbers on a couple of wagers I had already bet. So I hit them again and the new numbers are just as real as the old numbers.
 

New member
Joined
Nov 20, 1998
Messages
23,315
Tokens
OK here goes:

Oregon St.-6½/UNLV*
UW-20½/Idaho ½*
UW-21/Idaho ½*
(new bet)
WSU+2½/Hawaii ½*
WSU+3/Hawaii ½*
(new bet)
WSU/Hawaii U51½ ½*
WSU/Hawaii U53* ½*
(new bet)
USC -5½/OSU*
(GOW)
USC -5/OSU** (GOW)

Those actually reflect my real action as I bet the games. I thought the other way was simpler because the new numbers were closer to present for bettors that wish to follow, but I see your point that I shouldn't get credit for a ½ point win when only ½ of my action was on that number and ½ was on something else.

I hope that straightens it out.
 

New member
Joined
Nov 20, 1998
Messages
23,315
Tokens
...other than I just goofed on the UW selection because UW-20½ was the new bet, not UW-21. Nevertheless, my action is accurately posted.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
1,119,985
Messages
13,575,768
Members
100,889
Latest member
junkerb
The RX is the sports betting industry's leading information portal for bonuses, picks, and sportsbook reviews. Find the best deals offered by a sportsbook in your state and browse our free picks section.FacebookTwitterInstagramContact Usforum@therx.com