Wes Welker lost the game for the Patriots and Eli is not elite

[halekulani]

the giants were the better team coming in

the only reason pats were favored was b/c of tom fucking brady

the magic is over. deal w/ it.

all the 'could have' excuses are tiring. eli won in 2007. eli won in the regular season game this year. eli won the sb again. just accept that the giants are a bad matchup for the pats.

 

[PatPatriot]

The Welker drop was 30% Brady fault.Welker catches the ball 70% of the time.

Manningham catch was 90% his credit 10% Manning throw.That ball is not caught 9 out of 10 times.

That was the diff in the game.

 

[halekulani]

if the same team keeps beating you, it's not an anomaly. you MISS the big plays b/c they are a poor matchup for you, period. they get to you both physically and mentally.

if welker makes that catch 9/10 against any other team, he probably makes that catch 1/10 times against the giants.

 

[palehose1]

LOL like I posted in another thread NO WAY are the NFL gods going to allow the #31 def win a Sup Bowl .........and Now Way is the team with that Def the better team ...............ALL TOGETHER NOW WHAT WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS ............................DEFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFEEEEEENNNNNNSSSSSSSESS I rest my case Quit betting Football if you capped the Pats as the better team and save your MONEY LOL

 

[Stylez]

I didn't say the team I am speaking on Brady vs Eli. I don't think Eli deserved the win and I don't think the giants deserved to be where they are. Better to be lucky than good I guess. I am just a giant hater and I'll admit it.

well its a good thing what you think doesnt really matter in the grand scheme of things. If eli didnt deserve to win maybe the pats should have executed better

 

[Willie99]

seems like a lot of people don't know how close they were to losing that game

I don't agree with the OP, and I don't agree with the jackasses that think this was some easy win either

two plays, the Giants made theirs, the Pats didn't

no excuses from me, congrats again to Giants fans and backers

 

[JohnnyMags]

that pass that was dropped was a terrible pass by tom brady...welker had to turn his body and jump back for it...granted a pro should hav ecaught it..but brady should have made a better pass to a wide open guy...that one is on brady..

I just want to clear up the perception that Brandy made a bad pass on this throw. Look at the replays if Welker had been led inside (towards the way he was running) the safety is dead in his path. It’s at worst an INT and at best an incompletion as the safety unloads on Welker. Although the throw was to Welker’s other side Brady had to lead him in that direction to keep it away from the safety.

 

[Willie99]

I just want to clear up the perception that Brandy made a bad pass on this throw. Look at the replays if Welker had been led inside (towards the way he was running) the safety is dead in his path. It’s at worst an INT and at best an incompletion as the safety unloads on Welker. Although the throw was to Welker’s other side Brady had to lead him in that direction to keep it away from the safety.

this type of spot on analysis will be lost in time and space

Brady actually made a great throw, and Welker almost always makes that catch. It was a "dropped pass"

 

[JohnMolson]

Welker's contract is up and he's looking to be paid among the best.:money8::money8:Should be interesting at the negotiation table

 

[russ1945]

this type of spot on analysis will be lost in time and space

Brady actually made a great throw, and Welker almost always makes that catch. It was a "dropped pass"

Willie: The throw Manning made to Manningham was a great throw also and his receiver made an ever better catch. That's why they play the games. The funny thing is that the arm chair Qb's are throwing incompletions all over this thread. That game did not turn on one given play. The misconception is, in my book, that NE was the better team and should have won. That is why they play the games. NE's defense is not championship quality plain and simple. Had NE scooped up those two loose balls (especially the one at the 8 yard line) they win and then the Giant fans would be making this thread instead. It was a great game and I fully understand any Patriot fans who are disappointed. Could have gone either way.

 

[Kegler]

The Welker drop was 30% Brady fault.Welker catches the ball 70% of the time.

Manningham catch was 90% his credit 10% Manning throw.That ball is not caught 9 out of 10 times.

That was the diff in the game.

Some HOF receivers disagree with you. Cris Carter and Keyshawn Johnson both said that Manningham catch was easy and the throw was a LOT harder.

 

[metro]

the branch drop should be getting the blame. He shouldve been recieveing for possesion on that play, shouldve hunkered down on the spot and bodied it in rather than catching on the move.

 

[rza]

Welker was wide open and Brady threw a horrible ball. Brady choked - Eli made the throws. the better QB won the day.

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

the branch drop should be getting the blame. He shouldve been recieveing for possesion on that play, shouldve hunkered down on the spot and bodied it in rather than catching on the move.

Brady needed to wait 1 more second because he had it... but that was def. the game. Wes Welker play was big but a minute and a timeout...Brady still had a chance...and didn't even get across the 50.

 

[GFX]

I think the argument you are making joyner is one about the difference between being a pure passer and being a QUARTERBACK.

Rodgers, Brady, Brees and Peyton Manning are truly the elite passers in the game, able to pass on every down and get the job done. Until recently, this season, Eli would have been left off this list quite easily. But he DID make a lot of passes this year, and grew up into one of the more elite passers.

As far as being a QUARTERBACK, however, Eli is as good if not better than all the rest. A Quarterback leads his team, he makes all the big plays and minimizes mistakes.

Can you agree and see how Eli made 13 TDs and 1 INT through the entire playoffs? THAT is elite quarterbacking.
He led his team to roughly 7 4th quarter victories this season...again, elite quarterback.

There is a big difference between being an elite passer and an elite quarterback, and most players would rather being elite QBs than passers. Peyton Manning has CHOKED many, many times with the game on the line. In part, this is due to having a team that makes him the central and only focus. But also it's just him.

Eli is imo right now the very best QB in the league.
But for pure passing there are still a few that are better.
I would not take the others over him however.

 

[GFX]

Brady needed to wait 1 more second because he had it... but that was def. the game. Wes Welker play was big but a minute and a timeout...Brady still had a chance...and didn't even get across the 50.

MOB, Brady definitely was a little off yesterday...but he was off against Baltimore also.

To be real honest about my opinion, the Pats lost the game because they were going through the motions of a Super Bowl instead of being in it.
They just didn't have the fire yesterday or leading up to the game....look at the first series for them, Brady throws it 50 yards deep just to get rid of it. Terrible, terrible preparation and presence on his part.

I did not feel at all like the Pats showed up like a hungry team that has never won a Super Bowl...which the Giants did. They felt like a team that had been there a bunch of times, were going to execute the usual plays (Tom Brady, all day, threading needles) and it didn't work, again.

I think their style is obv good enough to go to and win a SB but look at the difference in receivers. Even if Gronkowski was healthy, they still were at a disadvantage...the Pats need better receivers if they are going to be a pass only team. Gron and Hernandez were patchwork cover for a terrible receiving corps, and it worked well until they needed the big plays. Welker is a great receiver, no doubt, but we all saw which team had the better receivers, and Manningham is not the only one who made big plays.

Great game all in all, as the announcers said I wish they played every week.

 

[spidur94]

MOB, Brady definitely was a little off yesterday...but he was off against Baltimore also.

I think their style is obv good enough to go to and win a SB but look at the difference in receivers. Even if Gronkowski was healthy, they still were at a disadvantage...the Pats need better receivers if they are going to be a pass only team. Gron and Hernandez were patchwork cover for a terrible receiving corps, and it worked well until they needed the big plays. Welker is a great receiver, no doubt, but we all saw which team had the better receivers, and Manningham is not the only one who made big plays.

Great game all in all, as the announcers said I wish they played every week.

You make a valid point concerning the receiving corp for the Patriots. They do lack the big the big play receiver to strech the field. I think Brady and Belicheck excel at getting the most out of what they have, whether talentwise or schemewise. The injury to Gronk was a significant blow to the Patriots' effectiveness on offense. While it is easy to be critical of players after this game and point to each and every that could've changed the outcome of the game, one can easily do the same for each and every game played throughout the year. Sure if Welker makes that catch, the odds of the outcome being different are increased dramatically. However, the Patriots were still holding the lead and could have stopped the Giants from going 80+ yards to take the lead.
Were the Giants lucky to win? IMO no. Did they get a little lucky during the game that played a part in their W? sure...the ball takes funny bounces and they were fortunate to recover them...it's one thing to cause the fumble, but you have to recover it as well(part of the game). Both teams made their share of mistakes in this game and both made plays. Ultimately, the Giants made the plays they needed to to win the game, period.

 

[GFX]

well said spidur. whether it was luck or not, the giants got back their own fumbles and brady winged 2 passes up that he should not have (1st pass, and then pick intended for Gronk). To me it all plays a part in a team that has been there before and is not obsessing enough about every little detail...i just didn't see the hunger in the Pats. Their D definitely made the best effort they were capable of, but the offense really did not get it done and are better than they played. It's been how many years now since the Pats had a real and serious running threat???? too long

 

[billhill999]

David Tyree would have caught that ball.

Just saying

 

[Dafinch]

that pass that was dropped was a terrible pass by tom brady...welker had to turn his body and jump back for it...granted a pro should hav ecaught it..but brady should have made a better pass to a wide open guy...that one is on brady....also brady messed up by throwing way to short to his tight end and the ball got picked off...

Exactly, a 5'9" munchkin has to jump and twist to catch it, a halfway decent throw, that's not necessary, and on a GOOD throw-guess what-it's likely a game sealing touchdown. Not only that, on the very next play, third and long, he missed ANOTHER open receiver. Everybody slobbers over him when they win, but he came up with 14 lousy points the last time these two met in postseason, and this time, be honest, if you'd been told that the Pats suspect defense would hold the Giants to 19 points-remember, the other 2 were donated by Bonehead Tom-you'd like the Pats' chances, right? Brady DID looked rattled at times(like that frisbee interception he foolishly threw towards the Gimp) and he deserves the lion's share of the blame for that throw and this loss.