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Here is what I got using Sagarin's Predictor to handicap the games...

South Carolina (-2.5) at NC State
Oregon at Boise State (-3)
Stanford (-22.5) at Washington State
Maryland at California (-16)
LSU (-22.5) at Washington
Central Michigan at Arizona (-24.5)
San Diego State at UCLA (-15.5)
San Jose State at USC (-46)
Georgia at Oklahoma State (-2.5)
Alabama (-7.5) vs. Virginia Tech
Kentucky (-22) vs. Miami-OH
Illinois vs. Missouri (-12) <--- obviously a horrific line
BYU vs. Oklahoma (-18.5)
Mississippi (-22) at Memphis

Yeah, yeah, yeah I know the whole "well ___ will be better because they didn't lose ___ (# of starters)" but it's still something for us newbies to go off.
 

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Here is what I got using Sagarin's Predictor to handicap the games...

South Carolina (-2.5) at NC State
Oregon at Boise State (-3)
Stanford (-22.5) at Washington State
Maryland at California (-16)
LSU (-22.5) at Washington
Central Michigan at Arizona (-24.5)
San Diego State at UCLA (-15.5)
San Jose State at USC (-46)
Georgia at Oklahoma State (-2.5)
Alabama (-7.5) vs. Virginia Tech
Kentucky (-22) vs. Miami-OH
Illinois vs. Missouri (-12) <--- obviously a horrific line
BYU vs. Oklahoma (-18.5)
Mississippi (-22) at Memphis

Yeah, yeah, yeah I know the whole "well ___ will be better because they didn't lose ___ (# of starters)" but it's still something for us newbies to go off.


Bama will be a pickem type game. They lose alot on the OL and have to break in a new QB. Their defense will be awesome though.
 

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Don't know about dominated being the right word. CAL outgained the Terps by a 461-297 margin lastyear at Maryland.

you obviously didn't watch the game...
i had mary +16 and +600...you can check my 2008 thread it's right there in week 3...if only all of your 6-1 ML plays could be that easy that you don't even break a sweat

Maryland jumps out to 14-0 lead
Extends lead to 21-6 at halftime
ups the lead at end of 3rd qtr to 28-6

so entering the 4th qtr maryland had 4 TDs
Cal had ZERO
Finally with less than 7 min to play Cal finally scores a TD...so Maryland kept Cal out of the endzone for over 53 minutes!!!
After Cal "cuts" the lead to 28-13 maryland immediately responds with a TD to bring the lead back to 22 points at 35-13 late in the 4th

Maryland's qb Turner had the highest rated game of the season and 2nd highest of his career
Cal's jahvid best had the lowest output of the season (10 car/25 yds...he was 13/30 vs USC!!)

What word would you use to describe this game..??
I thought "pretty much dominated" was a "pretty good description" of the events taken place...

oh yeah, after maryland went up by 28-6 in the 3rd qtr Cal outgained them 285-72 as cal went hurry up and maryland worked clock (cal ran 42 plays to maryland's 20 in this stretch and thus ended the game w/ an 83-67 adv.) so you can look at the final numbers all you want i don't know how much that's gonna help you without putting it in context

when a team leads by DOUBLE-DIGITS FOR MORE THAN 51 MINUTES that's a pretty dominant performance...Cal never had a chance in that game, plain and simple...you can call it anything you want

or you can just take my word that they got "pretty much dominated"
 

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I agree that is how it came down but every game has a personality and Maryland jumped to a lead and held on. The word dominated might be a little strong because with the long trip and early start everything leaned Marylands way. The Arizona/Oregon game had a similar tempo where Oregon jumped out and Arizona made a run at the end. All in all this game has payback written all over it. Like a lot of games momentum is hard to break when you are behind and on the road. I also agree that just looking at stats without knowing the whole story is dangerous. We all know what happens when you ass-ume anything.
 

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I agree that is how it came down but every game has a personality and Maryland jumped to a lead and held on. The word dominated might be a little strong because with the long trip and early start everything leaned Marylands way. The Arizona/Oregon game had a similar tempo where Oregon jumped out and Arizona made a run at the end. All in all this game has payback written all over it. Like a lot of games momentum is hard to break when you are behind and on the road. I also agree that just looking at stats without knowing the whole story is dangerous. We all know what happens when you ass-ume anything.

if you watched that game maryland was in control and was never threatened the whole game

was it 52-13 domination..??
of course not.

which is why i described it as "pretty much dominated"

when you lead by DD the whole game and by over 3 TDs most of the 4th qtr i think you're allowed to say a team "pretty much dominated" without someone calling you out for it

and for the 463rd time...I HAVE 75-1 NAT'L TITLE FUTURES ON CAL!!!

i think they'll blow maryland out!!!

i just don't think the line will be -14, and if it is or higher i will most likey be passing on this game
 

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Maryland dominated that game in every phase. This is the game last season that had every single angle going Maryland's way (homefield advantage, just coming off an embarassing loss to a SBC team, Cal coming off an overhyped big win over WSU, Cal crossing several time zones to play a morning game). Plus Maryland was the "running dogs" in that game. I could care less what kind of overall yardage that Cal had in that day, the ONLY stat that counted is Maryland outrushed Cal 141-38. Whenever you get a double digit dog that you KNOW is going to outrush their opponent, you better take them or just leave the game alone, because 9.5 times out of 10 they are going to cover. This is why I play the running dogs system. Just for games like this. If you go back to both Tren't and my threads, you'll see just how much critisism that we took picking Maryland from the weekend posters here at the RX who didnh't have a clue what they were talking about. They just believed the national media hype, which was all on Cal. Media hype can be your best friend. Especially in this case. This game was my biggest hit of the year.
 

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Maryland dominated that game in every phase. This is the game last season that had every single angle going Maryland's way (homefield advantage, just coming off an embarassing loss to a SBC team, Cal coming off an overhyped big win over WSU, Cal crossing several time zones to play a morning game). Plus Maryland was the "running dogs" in that game. I could care less what kind of overall yardage that Cal had in that day, the ONLY stat that counted is Maryland outrushed Cal 141-38. Whenever you get a double digit dog that you KNOW is going to outrush their opponent, you better take them or just leave the game alone, because 9.5 times out of 10 they are going to cover. This is why I play the running dogs system. Just for games like this. If you go back to both Tren't and my threads, you'll see just how much critisism that we took picking Maryland from the weekend posters here at the RX who didnh't have a clue what they were talking about. They just believed the national media hype, which was all on Cal. Media hype can be your best friend. Especially in this case. This game was my biggest hit of the year.

i had 3* on the spread and 1* +600 for a 9* win...
the most i play on a game is 8*!!!
it was my biggest win ever until nat'l title game (4* UF-4 and 1*+650 nat'l title for 10.5* win)

you can go back even now and read all the posts asking how crazy i was for taking a +16 home dog...

the funny thing is if you go back to my thread the first line in my write-up for this game was "this is classic handicapping 101"

also a case of being ahead of the curve and behind it as everyone was reacting to cal's crushing of wsu and win over mich st week one as well as maryland 7pt win over delaware and loss to sun-belt week before
 

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Cal was -14 at Maryland last year. Why would the line be any less this year, when Cal gets them at home, in a revenge situation? Cal is picked to finish 2nd in the Pac 10 by many people. Maryland is picked to finish 5th or 6th in the weak ACC Atlantic Division. If Cal is anything less than -14, this will appear to be a steal.
 

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also a case of being ahead of the curve and behind it as everyone was reacting to cal's crushing of wsu and win over mich st week one as well as maryland 7pt win over delaware and loss to sun-belt week before

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Cal was -14 at Maryland last year. Why would the line be any less this year, when Cal gets them at home, in a revenge situation? Cal is picked to finish 2nd in the Pac 10 by many people. Maryland is picked to finish 5th or 6th in the weak ACC Atlantic Division. If Cal is anything less than -14, this will appear to be a steal.
This is my thinking too. I believe the game will open at Cal -14 or higher. For Cal backers, I don't think we are going to get as good of a deal with the spread as we think we are.
 

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1* maryland +600 6*/1* cris

this game is a cornucopia of handicapping philosophies... on so many levels i feel that this is the type of game that defines handicappers.

First off, there is absolutely no way you should be playing cal at this number... now that's not to say they won't cover; i can't tell the future. But if you were daring enough to lay -13.5 last week at wazzu a week after ok st was only laying -6/7, consider that the time you got away w/ laying heavy chalk on a road team. To think you can get away with that type of wagering two weeks in a row is not recommended, let alone having to now cross a key number in 14 against a better team than last week.

Let's look at maryland. Obviously, this team has not played to it's potential, as just 2 weeks ago some people thought they could be the sleeper team in the acc. Week 1 vs delaware they moved the ball, gaining over 400 yds offense, but their fg kicker missed 3x, and a fouth time in fg range friedgen decided to go for it on 4th and long as opposed to subjecting his kicker to a long fg. Maryland was also pinnned inside the 5 yd line twice by excellent punts so a 70 yd drive resulted in a long missed fg and a 40 yd drive resulted in a punt. By the 2nd half this game slowed to a crawl w/ both teams relying on the run: 80 rush attempts to only 44 pass attempts. After a qb change for game 2 the maryland offense drove inside the 35 3x in the 4th qtr but had nothing to show for it on the scoreboard-an int at the 2 yd line and an int in the EZ w/ 2 minutes to play.

Now cal has looked impressive in their first 2 games, but a closer look reveals some cracks... make no mistake, this team is talented, but you would be foolish to put them in the usc/oklahoma/uf/uga/mizz stratosphere. Week 1 their defense gave up over 400 yds at home, and while they stiffened in wk 2, only allowing 160 yds to wazzu, that excitement should be tempered knowing that the same wazzu offense only gained 190 yds against ok st the week before. No one will ever mistake the ok st def w/ the steel curtain, especially on the road!! Wazzu actually drove inside the 25 5x, only to come away with 3 pts, probably more an example of their own ineptitude than a stellar cal defense. offensively, cal scored on the 1st play of the game w/ an 80 yd td run, and then intercepted wazzu qb setting up a 14 yd td. tds on a blocked fg and a 90 yd int return, as well as another int giving cal the ball at the 25yd line, and another 86yd td run made this game a blowout more than consistent drives by the offense. In fact, cal went 3&out on 3 straight possesions in the 1st/2nd qtr!

There's more, such as the cal passing game not clicking yet, a young offense built on speed now playing their first game on grass, the noon kickoff, and the expected letdown for a team whose emotions were sky-high for opening day and it's first conference game last week to now playing its 3rd straight bcs team and b2b roadie.

But to me what really is the meat of this play is such: pre-season this matchup between 2 unranked opponents would have had the home team a slight fav, at worst pk. The personnel is the same as it was 2 weeks ago... one has underperformed, one has overachieved imo. how does that account for 17 pts on the spread..??

maryland season wins was 7 w/ the over favored
cal was 8 w/ the under favored.
basically the same total... there is a reason for that. personnel-wise, these 2 teams are not that far apart... yes, right now cal is playing better.

usc opened -18 vs uva opening week.
cal is -14.5 @ maryland.
maryland is no UVA.
Cal is no USC.
yet only one key # (17) stands between these 2 spreads.

oregon is -8 @ purdue. (i got it at -7)
oregon is better than cal imo (better defense and pass game)
purdue has a better qb than mary, but o-line and run game better for mary. both defenses avg.
so why would you want to lay 7pts more w/ the lesser team in cal than oregon??

i have over 200 posted cfb plays here at the rx in the past 2 years... you can search threads from 2006/2007. not once will you find a play on the ML. I just don't do it. But i had to make an exception here... +600 means mathematically that if this game, in this exact situation, were to be played 7x, cal would win 6x and maryland once. Maryland at home in practically a must-win situation coming off a loss. Cal coming in confident but young, for a game that means less to them than the first 2 they just played. 20 year old kids. And they are expected to step up to the challenge and win 6x out of 7. win or lose, that is a ridiculous price.

Iowa st on the road is cheaper ML than maryland at home.
Stanford on the road is cheaper ML than maryland at home. (but also might not be a bad play)
purdue, facing a tougher team at home in oregon, is half the price of maryland vs a weaker team in cal.

Look for maryland to run behind a big and experienced o-line against cal's new 3-4 defense, and ultimately set up the play-action to a group of experienced and speedy wrs.

Look for cal, facing adversity for the first time this yr, to show some of it's youth and inexperience as this game unfolds differently than expected.

Look for both of these teams to be 2-1 by the time this game is over.

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Here is what I got using Sagarin's Predictor to handicap the games...

South Carolina (-2.5) at NC State
Oregon at Boise State (-3)
Stanford (-22.5) at Washington State
Maryland at California (-16)
LSU (-22.5) at Washington
Central Michigan at Arizona (-24.5)
San Diego State at UCLA (-15.5)
San Jose State at USC (-46)
Georgia at Oklahoma State (-2.5)
Alabama (-7.5) vs. Virginia Tech
Kentucky (-22) vs. Miami-OH
Illinois vs. Missouri (-12) <--- obviously a horrific line
BYU vs. Oklahoma (-18.5)
Mississippi (-22) at Memphis

Yeah, yeah, yeah I know the whole "well ___ will be better because they didn't lose ___ (# of starters)" but it's still something for us newbies to go off.

Bets in bold and amounts indicated via font. 10 teamer for 50 bucks as well lol.

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I'm not trying to toot my own horn because I don't believe this is nearly as well said or well written as Trent's writeup. But I just want to give you an example of what I was thinking that week for this game:

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California at Maryland....Cal travels to Maryland after two big wins. And Maryland comes limping back home after losing to a Sunbelt team. So what's the attraction? Well nothing. It never is with Maryland. If you look back in their recent history, Maryland has never looked good early in the year against the cupcakes. They barely get by the Florida Internationals and William & Mary's every season it seems. But Maryland does one thing steady most every year. They get to a bowl game. And they usually win those games ugly just like they do their regular season games. This team is never going to bowl you over with their offense. They like to run the ball and play defense. Which is why I'm attracted to this team. I LOVE running dogs. Especially ones who are NOT moving up in conference class and getting double digits at home. And this team definitely qualifies. RB Da Rel Scott has run for over 300 yards already on only 37 carries. And despite their losses Maryland still plays good defense. Just don't bet on this team when they are made double digit favorites. Anywhere or anytime! But when they are made the dogs, you better take a long look.
As for Cal, I like the way this team is playing. They are definitely heading the right direction and attracting national attention. But keep in mind this is a team that is returning only 12 starters off a 7-6 team. They are a team with inexperienced skill players and a decent but not great defense, travelling across the country and laying over 2 TD's to a team who played in a bowl game last year and is returning 15 starters. This is the very same Maryland team that took one of the best teams in the PAC-10 last year Oregon State down to the wire in their bowl game. And I guarantee you OSU had a better defense than this Cal team. Maryland's loss was a surprise last week. But their offensive coordinator said in an interview that they blew 8 scoring opportunities in that game. So if they were to play MTSU again, Maryland would probably win the game in their usual ugly fashion. One thing I can tell you now, Maryland HC Friedgen is no dummy. He is one good coach. And I guarantee he'll play Cal much different than CAL's first two opponents. I expect him to stack the box and make CAL's very young receivers to make the plays. But keep in mind that Cal hasn't really had to get their WR's involved in their games because they've been so successful running the ball. I'm betting this is going to have to change this weekend. Cal has played one mediocre defense in Michigan St. And they've played one of the worst teams in division 1 WSU last week. Maryland will be a horse of a different color and present a whole other set of problems for this Cal offense. I guarantee it. Maryland has won me alot of money over the years when they are made the dogs. And they are by far the most physical team on defense that Cal has faced. I'm going out on a limb here and betting big money that Cal maybe escapes out of College Park after an ugly game. I'm puttin in this play now because the damned line keeps creeping down. I should have got it at 16.5...But I'll take it at 15. Taking Maryland (+15) over CAL **** (Best Bet)
 

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Thursday, September 3rd
6:00 p.m. South Carolina at NC St ESPN
8:00 p.m. Utah St at Utah Mtn.
TBA North Texas at Ball St TBA
TBA Troy at Bowling Green TBA


Friday, September 4th
7:00 p.m. Tulsa at Tulane ESPN



Saturday, September 5th

2:30 p.m. Nevada at Notre Dame NBC
6:00 p.m. North Dakota at Texas Tech TBA
7:00 p.m. BYU vs. Oklahoma (Arlington) (ESPN or ABC)
9:00 p.m. Central Michigan at Arizona TBA
9:00 p.m. Idaho St at Arizona St TBA

TBA Alabama vs. Virginia Tech (Atlanta) (ESPN or ABC)
TBA Oregon at Boise St (ESPN or ESPN2)
TBA Akron at Penn St TBA
TBA Appalachian St at East Carolina TBA
TBA Army at Eastern Michigan TBA
TBA Baylor at Wake Forest TBA
TBA Buffalo at UTEP TBA
TBA Cincinnati at Rutgers TBA
TBA Colorado St at Colorado TBA
TBA Connecticut at Ohio TBA
TBA Eastern Michigan at Northwestern TBA
TBA FAU at Nebraska TBA
TBA Georgia at Oklahoma St TBA
TBA Illinois vs. Missouri (St. Louis) TBA
TBA Indiana St at Louisville TBA
TBA Kentucky vs. Miami Ohio (Cincinnati) TBA
TBA Louisiana Tech at Auburn TBA
TBA ULMat Texas TBA
TBA LSU at Washington TBA
TBA Maryland at California TBA
TBA Middle Tenn at Clemson TBA
TBA Minnesota at Syracuse TBA
TBA Missouri St at Arkansas TBA
TBA Navy at Ohio St TBA
TBA New Mexico at Texas A&M TBA
TBA Northern Illinois at Wisconsin TBA
TBA Northwestern St at Houston TBA
TBA Rice at UAB TBA
TBA San Diego St at UCLA TBA
TBA San Jose St at USC TBA
TBA Stanford at Washington St TBA
TBA Toledo at Purdue TBA
TBA WKU at Tennessee TBA
TBA Western Michigan at Michigan TBA


Sunday, September 6th
2:30 p.m. Mississippi at Memphis ESPN


Monday, September 7th
7:00 p.m. Miami at Florida St ESPN

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Not many lined games going Thursday night.
 

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UoweDucks, I see Phil S has not included your Oregon Ducks in his top 50 preseason poll.

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UoweDucks, I see Phil S has not included your Oregon Ducks in his top 50 preseason poll.

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Steele does have them #33 on the Power Poll Top 120 which probably means a little more since it rates a teams strength and not it's projected won/loss record. He has Arizona #27, Stanford #32, Oregon#33, Oregon St #34 in that same poll so he has the Pac 10 with some balance and very competitve with USC #4, and Cal #10, and UCLA #21 that is 7 of the top 34 all from the Pac 10. Oregon does lose a lot of players.
 

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UoweDucks, I see Phil S has not included your Oregon Ducks in his top 50 preseason poll.

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well, I disagree with his high opinion of ucla and his low opinion of ore and ore st. Guess we'll just have to see who's right. Interesting to see him fade the two teams in the conference with experienced qb's and favoring teams with relative newcomers at the helm. This conference is always so qb centric...
 

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