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The funny thing is there's a thread in this section where a tout cut the customer off for posting his plays on here which he claimed was costing him money. ... he he , i wonder how much money this thread is going to cost the drs. ? I cant imagine that anyone reading this thread would ever pay these guys. ( not b/c they lost a couple of days but b/c of the deception and failure to keep their website accuratly updated, for 5k they should be able to be correct and honest in their records.) 100% SKUNKS !
Not sure if you are part of the IC group, but I wrote several extensive e-mails to the group telling that this was likely a scam. NOBODY hits 70+% over 500 plays. At least not playing 3-5 plays a day. It just does not happen. I am not trying to say I told you so, but I hope you all pass the word around to the next person or group who is chasing the golden goose. The best one can expect to do is about 54% at an average juice of -110. There are plenty that go on 60% runs, but over the course of the year or multiple years 54% is considered industry benchmark, especially for someone making a lot of plays and not specializing in just one sport or two. You can't bet 300+ days a year on all of the major pro and college sports and win like that for more than a short stint. The next time you really want to believe that it is possible then go ahead and pitch in the $250 but don't bet on one single game. You could have saved a lot of money by not betting on the games and only wasted 250 just to find out if they were any good.
I will share a story with the group. I used to purchase IC's plays from MAUIEXPERTS (they were the cheapest). I kept seeing the results posted for Wise Owl, Straley, and others. They were consistently hitting about 60% on one play a day on average. I would pick up a month here and there and the plays always ended up much worse than the posted records I had seen on the advertisement page prior to me getting on board. After having intermittent months of 40-55% and never really making any money with them I decided to take advantage of a half off offer they had for 4 cappers. I paid $1200 for 4 cappers for a month. I needed to find out if it was just my luck or they were scamming. At the end of the month 3 lost money (well under 50% each) and one broke about even. Once my package was over all of them went on 60 and 70% runs....LOL. So do I have proof they scam, no, but it's pretty damn obvious that RAY throws in some reputable cappers like IC and then has his own little scam going on with several of the others. It was a costly lesson, but I lost way more than $1200 on the packages I bought and plays I lost before I decided to figure it out on my own. Putting the group together to find out the truth is fine. They aren't going to get rich off of the $5000. They are now exposed and will have to close shop and open up under another bullcrap name, but it was irresponsible not to WARN everyone to be patient and wait it out. The Dr.s were being sold as if there was some history of success. That just wasn't true. I even told the group to get some type of refund or extension set up in advance. Anyone who hits 70% over 500 plays and charges 5K would have no problem granting a free month or partial refund if they hit less than 60%. Live and learn I say, but by sharing our experiences in the forums we can help some learn without the high price of tuition.
Zona, I'm in several groups including IC, Prez/Rose, and RAS. I think you were the one warning us and i should've listened to your advice or at least play the dr picks a lot less and try them out first.
Rose started losing and I thought why not give these dr's a chance? I would say betting these dr picks is the biggest gambling mistake of my life. I knew the 65-70% is BS but I thought they can at least net a profit and hit 55% or something.
Rose started losing and I thought why not give these dr's a chance? I would say betting these dr picks is the biggest gambling mistake of my life. I knew the 65-70% is BS but I thought they can at least net a profit and hit 55% or something.
I really do feel several of the guys in this group were betting over the heads and not using proper money management with these plays. Im almost positive I told everyone in the initial email that it would be a good idea to only play their 12* plays due to no data that supports a record for their 10*, 8* etc and the VIP plays. I wasnt telling anyone what to do with their money but i thought i should have shared my opinion on things from the get go.
I wouldnt call these guys frauds unless you see a similar pattern for several months then u can assume all you want. Im not defending anyone but seriously its only been 7 days.
I wouldnt call these guys frauds unless you see a similar pattern for several months then u can assume all you want. Im not defending anyone but seriously its only been 7 days.
I think it is fair to say that most everyone got caught up in the hype and you (Brett) are not responsible for how much each person wagers. However, there were people bragging about these guys as if they were can't miss. Whether it was you or others I don't know, but many were singing their praises without knowing enough to suggest so.
As for whether or not they are a scam.....only time will tell, but if it quacks like a duck.....well you know. They haven't even updated the site in 2 days??? Not only that, we have seen their POSTED plays hit and miss for the last month. Prior to this package you guys bought they were about 55% on plays I tracked. With this recent week it looks like they are at best about 52% which would be break even at -110 juice. However, they have given out a lot of favs which equate to much worse results. It is safe to say now that they have used false advertising to reel you in. Even if they miraculously get to 58% on their 12* plays that is 12% below what they claim and not worth the kind of coin you guys put out. I'd tell them you want full refund by end of business today or you and the rest of the group will expose them for years to come on the forums. News travels fast.
As for whether or not they are a scam.....only time will tell, but if it quacks like a duck.....well you know. They haven't even updated the site in 2 days??? Not only that, we have seen their POSTED plays hit and miss for the last month. Prior to this package you guys bought they were about 55% on plays I tracked. With this recent week it looks like they are at best about 52% which would be break even at -110 juice. However, they have given out a lot of favs which equate to much worse results. It is safe to say now that they have used false advertising to reel you in. Even if they miraculously get to 58% on their 12* plays that is 12% below what they claim and not worth the kind of coin you guys put out. I'd tell them you want full refund by end of business today or you and the rest of the group will expose them for years to come on the forums. News travels fast.
D Bogey, and your 7 posts,
I am a member of more groups right now than you probably have been in in your entire gambling career, so shut the fuck up about not coming up with the $250. I have guys in 4 different groups begging me to get them help splitting their Drs. subscription fee.
Just check out Small Units posts. He is not different than the you players that blindly signed up for this group. The did not know that $5K was stealing.
I you know anything about the tout business, you would know that you can pretty much get any handicapper alive for $500 per month, not $5K.
This is an open forum. I can call out whoever I want whenever I want.
The young guys that signed up may not think they can put the pressure on the goup organizers for a refund.
I could care less about this group other than it was stealing from inexperienced players.
That makes me sick.
Now Actionbrett is posting inflated records to justify the scam.
Anyone that paid $5K for a month's service should have known that they overpaid. The issue is that the group organizer is now sugarcoating the records.
The whole Drs. group was a disaster waiting to happen. It only took a few days to expose the fraud.
Good luck to all.
I tried to help. I hope you all get what you deserve.
Please post these plays so we can fade them.
For someone who "could care less" you sure have spent a lot of time in this thread
Actionbrett,
You do not get it. It does not matter what happens now. The Drs have blown the group out of the water. Group members do not have a BR any more. Did you not see the post where one guy could not play RAS's winners this weekend.
Get a refund and quit making excuses for these clowns. They do not even update their website.
The party is over. You and they have been exposed.
Refund as ArizonaBound said and maybe The Drs can save some face.
Right now they are history.
How much of a kickback did you get for leading the sheep to slaughter??
Get the guys a refund or better yet, YOU give them their money back since it was your brilliant idea to follow the Drs.
This is not funny. The $5K is just a drop in the bucket compared to what these guys have probably lost.
I will pay half of anyone's subscription for the plays if I can get them an hour before gametime.
Anyone of you want $120?
You do not get it. It does not matter what happens now. The Drs have blown the group out of the water. Group members do not have a BR any more. Did you not see the post where one guy could not play RAS's winners this weekend.
Get a refund and quit making excuses for these clowns. They do not even update their website.
The party is over. You and they have been exposed.
Refund as ArizonaBound said and maybe The Drs can save some face.
Right now they are history.
How much of a kickback did you get for leading the sheep to slaughter??
Get the guys a refund or better yet, YOU give them their money back since it was your brilliant idea to follow the Drs.
This is not funny. The $5K is just a drop in the bucket compared to what these guys have probably lost.I will pay half of anyone's subscription for the plays if I can get them an hour before gametime.
Anyone of you want $120?
Fraser why are you so concerned with what everyone else does? Are you some kind of gambling god that tells people who is right and who is wrong? The only reason you can talk is because they are not doing good right now. If things were turned the other way you would probably be in some other thread bitching and moaning about something else. This group is completely irrelevant to you so why must you just keep writing stuff bashing the people that started this group?
It is relavent to me. I have friends in other groups that I am in that have been hurt by this.
Do I know you?
Another thing that bothers me is that I wanted to be in the group and could not get into it.
The organizers kept me out so if I want to bash the pricks that organized this fiasco, I will bash them!!!
Do I know you?
Another thing that bothers me is that I wanted to be in the group and could not get into it.
The organizers kept me out so if I want to bash the pricks that organized this fiasco, I will bash them!!!
Fraser411--
Looked at your past 40 posts and not one of them has been a help to forum. All you do is bitch and complain about people buying picks after they lose.
Found a nice tool for all to use
Go to your user CP
On Left hand side click edit ignore list
Type in Fraser411 or anyone for that matter
Hit ok
No longer see his posts!! Wonderful feature
Looked at your past 40 posts and not one of them has been a help to forum. All you do is bitch and complain about people buying picks after they lose.
Found a nice tool for all to use
Go to your user CP
On Left hand side click edit ignore list
Type in Fraser411 or anyone for that matter
Hit ok
No longer see his posts!! Wonderful feature
Damn D Bogey,
For a newbie that just got taken to the cleaners by a con artists, why give me static about no posting plays.
If you knew anything about me, you would know that I was put on post review for posting plays two years ago.
You will never see me post a play.
I have been around a long time.
Posting on open forums gets you banned from good handicappers!!
You would not know that because you obviously do not know any good handicappers is you agreed to pay $5K to the Drs group.
For a newbie that just got taken to the cleaners by a con artists, why give me static about no posting plays.
If you knew anything about me, you would know that I was put on post review for posting plays two years ago.
You will never see me post a play.
I have been around a long time.
Posting on open forums gets you banned from good handicappers!!
You would not know that because you obviously do not know any good handicappers is you agreed to pay $5K to the Drs group.
fraser411, the reason we preferred you not to be in the group was that you wanted to post them on the forums which would have had our month cancelled ( yea yea i know...better to have it cancelled then......) that would have jeopardized every group member. as for me being a prick and bashing me...you have your opinion and the owner of this site allows you the opportunity. to be that vindicative b/c poor little you would not be allowed somewhere you wanted to be in is childish. i am not a thief or a liar and have only tried to help get a group organized to buy what was always requested...brett, likewise. we have not recieved "kickbacks" from our "buddies" and asking for money back comes out of my pocket...my paypal account was used. that may not matter to you but it is what it is. time on the forum should not matter, contributions to the service thread holds more water. really man let this go. i admit, it was a mistake to organize...no regret in trying to do what i thought was right at the time.
the post quoted just tells me you have an agenda and a vindicative nature. yes, you may put a lot of your time and $$ into getting plays (i am in some of your buy groups i am pretty sure) and may have the best of intentions when bashing or maybe just like to get the last word in on every subject but let this go and move on. sun rises every morning.
No you dont know me but i have been reading through this today and there is one constant, you being a pain in the ass. Your friends made a decision that they thought was a good one. It is only week one. If they are mad at it they can choose not get in any future dr. groups and cut there losses. we took a chance and so far a bad one. 3 weeks to go we will just have to wait and see if this pans out. It could keep being a disaster and you will look like you know what you are talking about. It could turn around and you will look back and wish your werent rude to the group organizers so they would have let you in
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