Unknown fact about 9/11

[pubguy]

We have eyewitnesses to planes, so the question always comes up where did the passengers go? I'll ask the same question in another way. Where did all the eyewitnesses to any of the passengers boarding any of the planes at any of the airports go? So far as I can find there aren't any. There are no witnesses. They have family members calling them receiving phone calls while they're on the planes, but it seems that no one actually went to the airport with them and saw them off. Isn't that strange. Can anyone tell me what Gate passengers were at for flight 11? Don't look for the answer in the 9/11 commission report. I've read it and it is not reported.It cleverly sidesteps the question. You won't find it. Some say 24 some say 32. No one can be sure which. There was a memorial at Logan Airport in Boston. There were two groups of people, one congregating at gate 24, the other at 32, for the same passengers! Anyone have an answer for this, you know, you guys with all the answers except the important ones.

And this is considered an "important fact" why? i don't know the tail numbers of the planes nor the runway numbers they took off from either.

Please answer for us, what we would have seen at the WTC if the planes were real and all of the laws of physics were followed. How would the scene have been different and why?

 

[ScottL]

This site is like the Special Olympics for 9/11 retards.

 

[pubguy]

This site is like the Special Olympics for 9/11 retards.

And they are multiplying somehow. hno:

 

[barman]

And this is considered an "important fact" why? i don't know the tail numbers of the planes nor the runway numbers they took off from either.

Please answer for us, what we would have seen at the WTC if the planes were real and all of the laws of physics were followed. How would the scene have been different and why?

5 Yds for Not Reading The SillyAss First Post (repeat down)

Asked and Answered in that post

They (the planes) would have bounced off the WTC towers and plunged downward to the street below.

Those pesky vertical steel beams

 

[pubguy]

I read that from the new guy, but was asking for a TR opinion, hence my quoting his post in mine.

 

[Mistermj]

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[Georgiaboy]

owned!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Hindsight]

Go punch water in a large bowl. Tell me if you draw blood, now go punch a piece of steel and tell me if you draw blood. Which one hurts the most? Why does this matter? It shouldn't be that hard to understand.

Since you have never heard of terminal velocity, go skydiving over a large body of water...I am sure you will live, since water is incapable of hurting anything....

 

[barman]

I'm pretty sure that GBOY knows full well that a plane at terminal velocity hitting a body of water with any significant size would suffer a dismal fate. His quoted retort in your post was likely a bit sardonic towards the earlier posed notion that a plane in crash descent would "cut through the ocean like butter" (whatever the hell that means).

 

[Georgiaboy]

I'm pretty sure that GBOY knows full well that a plane at terminal velocity hitting a body of water with any significant size would suffer a dismal fate. His quoted retort in your post was likely a bit sardonic towards the earlier posed notion that a plane in crash descent would "cut through the ocean like butter" (whatever the hell that means).

Thank you Barman.

 

[RunLeeRun]

ok, I haven't read all the posts, but I'm anxios to play along. How about the beams of the building being fired hardened and supposedly needing much hotter temperatures to bend than burning rocket fuel can provide

 

[Georgiaboy]

Is rocket fuel they only thing that burned? Remember the beams don't have to bend, just weakened.

 

[pubguy]

At half the melting point of steel it retains only 25% of its strength. The fires burned at least as hot as half the melting point of steel.

If steel does well in fires, why do they use spray on fireproofing material on all the exposed beams?

 

[Georgiaboy]

Asking the wrong person my friend.

 

[MoneyTalks--banned]

They (the planes) would have bounced off the WTC towers and plunged downward to the street below.

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My exact quote was they would have burst into a fireball and that is exactly true. However, neither plane would have penetrated the building with a fiberglass nose and an aluminum frame. Planes are never crash-tested or designed to withstand impact like automobiles. Planes are made to be extremely lightweight and are actually very delicate. The loaded fuel tanks and titanium steel engines represent more than 80% or their total weight.

If steel does well in fires, why do they use spray on fireproofing material on all the exposed beams?

They don't use asbestos on the steel columns that support the building. If they did it would have been unnecessary, not to mention illegal. During the era in which the WTC was built, they used it on the trusses that support the floors. It is possible that minor structural failure might occur during a fire. However, the steel columns would always remain intact unless they were disintegrated by explosives or Thermite.

 

[MoneyTalks--banned]

I'm beginning to understand how if I, or someone that I loved, got suckered into going to Iraq on account of Dick Cheney's poorly orchestrated false flag operation, my own subconscious mind might also be telling me that 9/11 was a legitimate terrorist attack in order to protect myself from the horrible truth.

The belief's and behaviors that are programmed in our subconscious minds is what is creating what we are experiencing daily in our lives. Now, if our inner programming includes limiting belief's and behaviors, then what shows on the outside is a direct result of that programming. Basically, the limiting belief's and behaviors in our subconscious minds are 'getting in the way' of our ability to live fantastic, abundant, and joyous lifestyles.

The problem with the people of the modern world is that we are too preoccupied with worries, anxieties, and negative emotions. We learned over the years - or were even taught as a child - that life is hard, we aren't good enough, smart enough, attractive enough, and that we have to worry about every thing. We have to 'fight' our way up the corporate ladder and by default we worry about money, our families, our careers.

As a result, we are creating the same situation over and over again. In other words - more and more situations show up giving us more and more reasons to worry, have anxieties, and negative emotions.

Realize first that your mind is an infinite wonder. It has the fantastic ability to transmute your desires into their physical counterparts. You can do anything that your mind can conceive, as long as you have the belief and desire.

There was once a weightlifter who couldn't lift weights in excess of 300 lbs. So his coach devised a clever idea and told him that the barbell he has to carry weighs only 300 lbs. With all his might, the weightlifter managed to put it above his head. After he puts it down, the coach told him that he has just lifted 350 lbs. of weight! It's all in the mind!

Henry Ford once said, "Whether you think you can or you can't, you're right."

If you think you are poor, then you are; unless you properly condition your thoughts to the positive mindset. I know it's hard to think rich if your environment is not conducive to such way of thinking. Use your imagination then! Visualize your house to be a mansion, your old car to be a limousine,... Well you get the picture.

There is absolutely no limit with what the mind can achieve. But you have to combine belief, will power, and inspired action with positive thinking in order to arrive at your intended destination.

 

[TotalRecall]

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And this is considered an "important fact" why? i don't know the tail numbers of the planes nor the runway numbers they took off from either.

Please answer for us, what we would have seen at the WTC if the planes were real and all of the laws of physics were followed. How would the scene have been different and why?

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Facts are important in investigations. What I find most interesting is when someone says, why does that matter?
It matters because I want to know the truth. If you don't know what gate flight 11 left on how you know Flight 11 left at all? Some reports say it wasn't even supposed to fly that day. It wasn't even scheduled.
I give you some more facts. Show me one video capture on security camerasany of the airports use by the terrorists showing them going through metal detectors, at the gates, anything. They were supposed to be there at boarding. We're are they? It's like we're where's Waldo. Nothing , zilch. That's what you get if you go looking. Show me any eyewitnesses that when shown Muhamed Mohammed's picture said. Yet it was him. He was standing right over there. Show me any trace of any of the terrorists that have been identified as commandeering those planes. The only video capture, that was ever produced was supposedly taken in Portland airport. When they get on the planes themselves to go to New York or the Pentagon , what,. they suddenly have no video? Come on... The major airports would have twice as many cameras, yet not one of them has ever been produced to show any of the terrorists known to have boarded those planes. Going through the metal detectors, cameras capture a everything front and back. So where are they?. Have you ever seen them on any videos from surveillance cameras at any of the airports ever used during the attack? The answer is no because they were never there. They were never at any of the airports. No humans ever reported seeing them and no cameras ever reported them moving through the airport on video.
As far as what would happen to those planes if they were real that is an easy one. Number one, they would never have been allowed to enter the building. It would have been a crash similar to the ones that have occurred over the years in various locales in various countries.., This is not a fighter jet. This is a huge lumbering airliner. It will not disintegrate. It would hardly be able to breach the steel columns and stick itself halfway in to the building. It would've smashed real hard into that concrete and steel structure. It would've broken up into many pieces, wings falling of, f tail ripping off, many large pieces falling 89 stories to the ground below. It would not have looked as if it was a knife cutting through butter, seamlessly melting into the side of the WTC. Like all those steel columns were made of marshmallow. Give me a break. It would've looked like a normal jet crash. When a jet crashed into the mountain a few years ago, did it disappear inside the mountain? When the jet dropped into the Everglades a few years ago, did it disappear into the ground? Look at the history of plane crashes and realize that a plane dropping 30,000 feet into the ground is a lot faster than the speed the jet was doing on 9/11. And another fact for you post is an airline can do 500 miles an hour maximum. And that's only an above 30,000 feet, with the air is so thin is no resistance from the oxygen molecules. So the plane can go . at The altitude they were at would be three 350 maximum IMO, maybe less. Absolutely not 500. Again, you run into the laws of physics. Every time you try to tie this together and make it work it fails. The laws of physics command that. It could not have happened the way you think it can, because the laws of physics cannot be defied by you nor anyone else no matter how much money you put into the lie.

 

[pubguy]

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[pubguy]

Holy Toledo! I can't believe you actually typed that out on your computer.

We have the black boxes that prove the speed at impact of all four planes, if I'm not mistaken. All four were going between 450-500 mph, so I guess it is possible.

 

[barman]

He didn't type all that himself. He pasted it after copying from another source.

The reason a "mountain" or "the Everglades" do not disintergrate when smashed by a descending airplane is because their resisting density extends for miles (most certainly with the Everglades analogy).

The resisting density of the WTC Tower was a couple hundred yards backed by open air.

We can all be fortunate that without exception, every one of the Kooks proclaiming "holograms hit the WTC" are people who would never try and run their rap in a real live public venue.

Raise a glass to the Internet and it's allowance for Utter Madness to be vented without threat to the Real World!

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