This Gov't shutdown will cost Trump re-election !

[road2perdition]

Cut off welfare to non citizens and they will stop coming. It's not that hard. Build a wall, make the legal way of citizenship easier, and lessen the handouts. I live in a nice area N Atlanta and you hear a lot of folks talk about how Trump is wrong for wanting to shut down the immigration......but they bitch about Mexicans hanging out in their shopping areas. I dont get it.

Forget welfare. Many of the illegals are making a killing off tax refunds. 5 figures at times. Even if they are illegals and have no SSN I believe they are given ITN numbers to file and boy do they file. 6 kids and other factors that lead up to HUGE returns.. Never mind that the kids are living back in Mexico many times lol.

Meh, I don't really care. As long as I get mine and I do. And I love those Mexican chics!

 

[Albatross]

This system still makes voting completely pointless for probably most of the population. Why would anyone even bother to vote in a state where the vote is predetermined ? Is this what the founding father dudes envisioned ? How many people die in traffic accidents voting for no reason ?

Was the right to bear arms jazz meant to include machine gun type weapons ?

The Constitution is outdated. The statue of liberty is nothing but old scrap copper that has turned green

The country is not what it once was
Lots of unfair things exist.look at what happened to Japanese Americans in WW2 !

Never trust the government, they are your enemy.

Or was the government made to ram through shitty healthcare for all the population except the ones who write the laws? My insurance gets more shitty by the year, yet the rates go up. So many examples of how the government screws over the people, yet keeps the powers to be protected

 

[Albatross]

Forget welfare. Many of the illegals are making a killing off tax refunds. 5 figures at times. Even if they are illegals and have no SSN I believe they are given ITN numbers to file and boy do they file. 6 kids and other factors that lead up to HUGE returns.. Never mind that the kids are living back in Mexico many times lol.

Meh, I don't really care. As long as I get mine and I do. And I love those Mexican chics!

I know a lot of Mexican folks who make a lot of money, are great folks, and do things the right way. They also support the Trump immigration policies because they did it the right way. I do agree that it is too tough to become what they want which is citizenship

 

[SgtLanquel]

It’s pretty easy now for them just smuggling the drugs thru the POE.

Solid point but it should be noted that the biggest percentage of illicit drugs entering the USA come inside smaller (2 lbs avg) packages via USPS, FedEx, UPS etc. Their well-intentioned screening processes cannot possibly interdict more than a few percent given the incredible volume of packages every 24 hours. The product lost to such screening is an accepted collateral cost for those doing the shipping

 

[road2perdition]

Popular vote would make most votes less valuable, not more. The national election comes down to getting the vote out in a few democratic cities. Nobody else would matter. The way to make votes more valuable is to do away with winner take all states. Make each district matter.

The founding fathers were brilliant, people silly enough to think they know how to improve on their amazing success simply don't comprehend what they're talking about.

The modern day fucking idiots that occupy DC aren't qualified to be dog catchers, yet they think they know how to improve the constitution.

Too fucking funny

I love it when some low brow clowns on a gambling forum think they know more than people more qualified and educated and experienced than them. Or the notion that they know more than anybody in any field.

Let's take it easy and simmer down you so called experts.

If what you were proposing didn't favor Republicants I guarantee you wouldn't be whining about the process.

It's all the same with Republicants. Agenda, bias, hypocrisy and complaining but no feasible, fair, logical plan. Just whining.

Spare us.

 

[SgtLanquel]

No, pretty sure he won by a LANDSLIDE - it was a blowout - when you don't campaign in NY and CA because there is no way you can win those states you lose the state like you were already going to do and then you get blown out in the popular vote in those states which is meaningless - if Trump campaigned in NY in CA he wins the popular vote easily - whoopie doo - he was wise to focus on PA, FL and OH

If Clinton had been able to flip just over 100,000 votes combined in WI, PA and MI she wins. But keep rolling with the landslide smak. I imagine you also think Tiny pulled a much yuger crowd to the National Mall on 1/20/17 than did Obama eight years earlier

 

[Enfuego]

I love it when some low brow clowns on a gambling forum think they know more than people more qualified and educated and experienced than them. Or the notion that they know more than anybody in any field.

Let's take it easy and simmer down you so called experts.

If what you were proposing didn't favor Republicants I guarantee you wouldn't be whining about the process.

It's all the same with Republicants. Agenda, bias, hypocrisy and complaining but no feasible, fair, logical plan. Just whining.

Spare us.

How's that Republican ass taste?

 

[SgtLanquel]

I get what he's saying, Trump goes to NY/CA and campaigns and he doesn't lose the popular vote by as big of a #. But that would be a massive waste of time for him and wouldn't improve his chances to win GE so why do it?

However, Trump did not win in a landslide. He won 3-4 states by 100k votes or whatever it was. Obama won in a real landslide in '08 and because of that, he could peel off support and still win in 2012. If Trump has support peeled off from him, he's going to lose in 2020.

Astute observation. Dem voters outnumbered GOP voters in 2016 by a bit over 3million. In the 2018 midterms they outnumbered GOP by almost nine million.

His supporters insist that Tiny can somehow close that nine million gap because he is so popular. I would be fascinated to know just in which demos he has "gained voters" during past 24 months. After all, he's only publicly shit on approx 80% of the nation.

 

[Doug]

Another great reason not to vote is that increases your odds of getting nailed with the ultimate insult billed as a " Civic responsibility"

That is.....






Jury duty !

Biggest crock of shit ever ! I did that once, never again !
Wait around a courtroom all day for nothing and get sent home, I can do that at DMV or any Gov't agency that is still open any day. Next time I get that BS ( it's been about 20 years ) , straight to the shredder, never got it, never signed for it . I'm getting old enough where I can almost get out of it via age. Yes any sane citizen should try to get out of that crapola. They should make it a job for unemployed people instead of bothering regular people.

 

[Enfuego]

Astute observation. Dem voters outnumbered GOP voters in 2016 by a bit over 3million. In the 2018 midterms they outnumbered GOP by almost nine million.

His supporters insist that Tiny can somehow close that nine million gap because he is so popular. I would be fascinated to know just in which demos he has "gained voters" during past 24 months. After all, he's only publicly shit on approx 80% of the nation.

Barman, I love you and all but social media isn't real life. Stop believing all the shit you read online.

 

[NorthernStar]

:think2:

The government was designed to have checks and balances. A national emergency is something like Japan invading Pearl Harbor......not building a wall on the Mexican border. The office of the President has increasingly been trying to govern without the checks of the other two branches. That is a bad not the way the government was intended to run.

So calling it a national emergency and building a wall is not in the best interest of the USA long term. Lets say the next president claims climate change is a national emergency and all coal plants need to shutdown immediately. Is that how the government is suppose to work.....or how a dictatorship works?

 

[SgtLanquel]

Do you get to choose whether your kid needs vaccinations to attend public school or does the state choose for you so other kids aren't impacted?

Do you get to choose to drive without insurance?

Might be worth taking a quick peek at the 3rd Amendment in combination with case law pertaining to Eminent Domain.

Tiny would have to be able to clearly (meaning lengthy *written* evidence from appropriate legal experts) articulate the extent of "the overwhelming crisis!!!!" in order to have the feds legally seize private property

So far, the case he's presented is a raving flood of outright lies and hysteria wrapped around a xenophobic inner meat

 

[Doug]

Solid point but it should be noted that the biggest percentage of illicit drugs entering the USA come inside smaller (2 lbs avg) packages via USPS, FedEx, UPS etc. Their well-intentioned screening processes cannot possibly interdict more than a few percent given the incredible volume of packages every 24 hours. The product lost to such screening is an accepted collateral cost for those doing the shipping

More is done a kill at a time than in bulk ? How can that even be known ?

 

[SgtLanquel]

Of course he is, but you know these snowflakes. It's amazing how a system has been put in place to give a fair representation to all states and has been used for years, but two years later, these snowflakes are still whining about a loss and want to change an equitable system just because they didn't get their way. Whaaah.

I am a hearty Democrat who wholly supports the EC. If my party cannot flip approx 100,000 votes in 2020 within the cited three states while also holding their 2016 states, we fully deserve another four years of GOP POTUS

 

[SgtLanquel]

I said I didn't see that part of the post. In the reply, I said he would've been able to narrow the gap. Whether he would then win the popular vote or not, who knows really. Seems like a pointless debate since winning the popular vote is meaningless.

But he didn't win in a landslide and thus will need to protect his turf in 2020, which was my main point.

You and I differ w regard to need for a 2000 mile wall but we share a realistic vision of how 2020 gets won

 

[SgtLanquel]

Even if trump loses, his supporters will doubt the legitimacy of the election

No problem because his "base" is likely not much bigger than about 20% of electorate. The remaining 27% he pulled were simply GOP determined to stop Clinton.

If Tiny wants to win in 2020 he has to hold literally 100% of that latter group. And I for one believe that at least a few percent will - after observing his utter ineptitude/pathological lying - at least abstain in hopes that by 2024 their party could field a candidate of higher caliber

 

[PatsFan1283]

You and I differ w regard to need for a 2000 mile wall but we share a realistic vision of how 2020 gets won

Fuck the traffic Lanquel. That's what I try to tell people, like really? we need more people? We got 325 million, how many do we need? 400? A billion?

As Ricky Watters once said when asked about extending to catch a pass and subjecting himself to a vicious hit...

For what? For who?

 

[Willie99]

No problem because his "base" is likely not much bigger than about 20% of electorate. The remaining 27% he pulled were simply GOP determined to stop Clinton.

If Tiny wants to win in 2020 he has to hold literally 100% of that latter group. And I for one believe that at least a few percent will - after observing his utter ineptitude/pathological lying - at least abstain in hopes that by 2024 their party could field a candidate of higher caliber

You really have no idea, damn, you're flat out delusional with respect to Trump's supporters

We are solid, we love him in the policy arena, he's doing all the things I've always wanted done. And those policies are working, why do you think we're disappointed? You really have to expand your news sources

 

[SgtLanquel]

Barman, I love you and all but social media isn't real life. Stop believing all the shit you read online.

My only online source of expertise is right here at the rx forum, since approx 67 men from across the USA firmly speak for our voting population as a whole

 

[Willie99]

I am a hearty Democrat who wholly supports the EC. If my party cannot flip approx 100,000 votes in 2020 within the cited three states while also holding their 2016 states, we fully deserve another four years of GOP POTUS

Bravo, you still have a pulse

Just appeal more to working America than you did in 2016. But I have to be honest my friend , I don't think your party is doing that. Just the opposite