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also I legitimately apologize for the "clown shit" comment. That was my initial reaction and how I felt but I didn't mean to demean anyone with it. It is just fantasy sports but my initial reaction definitely was a "the hell is this!?!!" (whether you agree with that or not is fine but Grog seems to agree that was his sentiment as well)
 

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Been busy all day so haven't been able to respond....

1. That was my first offer...I emailed him after and said feel free to counteroffer and he didn't even bother (really he saw NOTHING on my team better than the 2 guys he got from you? Cause I'll bet any amount my 2 best players do better than Gio/Welker for the year) 0-4 team dealing McCoy to a contender is what happens in joke leagues. It is what it is. I made that offer last week......If Moreno/Colston compared to Gio/Welker is so bad can I get like +300 on the pts of those 2 combos for the rest of the year? I doubt it. Its irrelevant anyone as I would've offered way more for McCoy but whatever.

If I really had nothing he wanted that is a subjective opinion and I can't counter it, but an 0-4 team just dealing a contender a top 3 pick for 2 solid guys is garbage.

thedude I'm probably the main reason this league even ran as I was all over trying to get it started but your just a bitter dude who always has some stupid comment to make. Congrats you got your buddy in the league and used him as a minor league team. Good job calling McCoy up to the big leagues, enjoy...

Isn't it amazing thedude with the pieces he wanted was also the person that brought him into the league?

Next year I'm bringing 3 of my friends into this league and only I can trade with them.

I will lay you +250 on that bet.
interested?
Anyonw who thinks Colston and Moreno is comparable to Welker and Gio is an idiot.
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Been busy all day so haven't been able to respond....

1. That was my first offer...I emailed him after and said feel free to counteroffer and he didn't even bother (really he saw NOTHING on my team better than the 2 guys he got from you? Cause I'll bet any amount my 2 best players do better than Gio/Welker for the year) 0-4 team dealing McCoy to a contender is what happens in joke leagues. It is what it is. I made that offer last week......If Moreno/Colston compared to Gio/Welker is so bad can I get like +300 on the pts of those 2 combos for the rest of the year? I doubt it. Its irrelevant anyone as I would've offered way more for McCoy but whatever.

If I really had nothing he wanted that is a subjective opinion and I can't counter it, but an 0-4 team just dealing a contender a top 3 pick for 2 solid guys is garbage.

thedude I'm probably the main reason this league even ran as I was all over trying to get it started but your just a bitter dude who always has some stupid comment to make. Congrats you got your buddy in the league and used him as a minor league team. Good job calling McCoy up to the big leagues, enjoy...

Isn't it amazing thedude with the pieces he wanted was also the person that brought him into the league?

Next year I'm bringing 3 of my friends into this league and only I can trade with them.

So unlike you to have a post like this.

Welker is a much better fantasy option then Colston and im a Saints homer. Its not even close.
Bernard as also a far superior fantasy player then Moreno.

I will gladly take you up on your offer of Welker/Bernard scoring more points going forward then Colston/Moreno

I wont lay -300 but I will take some chalk on this bet.
 

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I will lay you +250 on that bet.
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Anyonw who thinks Colston and Moreno is comparable to Welker and Gio is an idiot.
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I asked for +300? Try learning how to read...

I like how you don't speak to anything else I said. I said it was my 1st offer about 6 times....If he knew how to negotiate and suck value out of a player like McCoy he would've done better than your deal I'm pretty sure but whatever..

You are making yourself look bad right now. Try being a little more objective
 

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So unlike you to have a post like this.

Welker is a much better fantasy option then Colston and im a Saints homer. Its not even close.
Bernard as also a far superior fantasy player then Moreno.

I will gladly take you up on your offer of Welker/Bernard scoring more points going forward then Colston/Moreno

I wont lay -300 but I will take some chalk on this bet.


You won't lay -300 but you want to bet it, what did the offer look like?

You guys are deviating from the main point anyway. Are you evevn reading my posts? That was my initial offer and I would've gone much more for McCoy (he said he didn't like my players so its moot but gimme a break)
 

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If we re-draft tomorrow, McCoy goes top 3....Welker and Gio go somewhere from mid 3rd to mid 4th rd.

It isn't the worst rip I've ever seen but if I were thedude I'd act like a little less of a douche after getting a deal like that.

and colston would be 6th or 7th and Moreno 9th or 10th.
 

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Welker - 61 pts
Bernard - 45 pts

Colston - 36 pts
Moreno - 49 pts

106 to 85.
Walter White - you are stupid. take worse players next time

Wes Welker Den - WR

Probable Sun 3:25 pm @ Dal




60.60


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Giovani Bernard Cin - RB

Probable Sun 12:00 pm vs NE





44.90


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and colston would be 6th or 7th and Moreno 9th or 10th.

No, not really but I don't feel like arguing about player values. Chop you need to read my posts better, that was my initial offer anyway and he didn't even let anyone else re-offer is the main point.
 

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Welker - 61 pts
Bernard - 45 pts

Colston - 36 pts
Moreno - 49 pts

106 to 85.
Walter White - you are stupid. take worse players next time

Wes Welker Den - WR

Probable Sun 3:25 pm @ Dal

60.60

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Giovani Bernard Cin - RB

Probable Sun 12:00 pm vs NE


44.90

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I would've given a lot more than those 2 for McCoy....Yes he made a bad move he could've got much more than your offer on the "open" market.

I don't know why you are avoiding everything else I typed.
 

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So unlike you to have a post like this.

Welker is a much better fantasy option then Colston and im a Saints homer. Its not even close.
Bernard as also a far superior fantasy player then Moreno.

I will gladly take you up on your offer of Welker/Bernard scoring more points going forward then Colston/Moreno

I wont lay -300 but I will take some chalk on this bet.


Also it was a few weeks ago so I don't even remember what my offer was but I think L Bell was in there too. Either way I would've beat his offer for McCoy easy...

Can we do Alf Morris and Colston? Cause that is what I would've given for McCoy/Thompkins.


Alf Morris and Colston vs Gio and Welker...any amount anyone wants up to 2k w/ escrow
 

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how can you say "you would have given a lot more" than Welker and Gio, who is even on your team to trade besides Graham? Injured Alfred Morris?

Colston and Morris? Ha

What happened to Colston and Moreno - that was the original bet.
i will book it, but not for +300

i will consider Colston/Morris bet
 

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how can you say "you would have given a lot more" than Welker and Gio, who is even on your team to trade besides Graham? Injured Alfred Morris?

Colston and Morris? Ha

What happened to Colston and Moreno - that was the original bet.
i will book it, but not for +300

i will consider Colston/Morris bet


It was the original bet and I offered +300, you didn't want it.

Colston and MOrris is ha but you will "think about the bet" Do you realize how dumb that sounds? If that is "ha" then you snap bet that shit for 2k

By think about you mean "Ill wait 3-5 days to see what Morris injury status if and if I like what I hear then I'll bet it" Yeah the bet expires in 20 mins so think fast...

I'm gonna guess its a no...btw Willie/Chop or someone is escrowing this


also it is comical you aren't speaking to anything else I said. The main point remains the same, regardless of how he feels about my players, anyone elses players, etc...Unless he really has Gio/Welker on a pedestal he could've got more...

I'm happy you got your co-worker in, can I do that next year?
 

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Pats. I agree it was not the best trade.

But with that being said im 100% if he would have liked your offer more he would have accepted it.

All this counter offer stuff a lot of people dont have time for all that.

Normally when I make a trade offer I give them my best offer upfront.

When someone offers me a trade I assume that is there best offer.

If you were willing to give up more for McCoy then your first offer I think what you should have done was make that offer the 1st time.


This trade does not even make my top 50 worst fantasy trades of all time.


McCoy is a huge injury risk and I dont have Bernard rated THAT much lower then McCoy to begin with.

Welker could end up being the #1 receiver in all of fantasy football this season.

So he gets a top 5 to 10 rb and maybe the #1 receiver in all of fantasy football for McCoy and a throw in receiver.

The only way you could have offered more then that is if you were willing to trade Graham.
 

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Pats. I agree it was not the best trade.

But with that being said im 100% if he would have liked your offer more he would have accepted it.

All this counter offer stuff a lot of people dont have time for all that.

Normally when I make a trade offer I give them my best offer upfront.

When someone offers me a trade I assume that is there best offer.

If you were willing to give up more for McCoy then your first offer I think what you should have done was make that offer the 1st time.


This trade does not even make my top 50 worst fantasy trades of all time.


McCoy is a huge injury risk and I dont have Bernard rated THAT much lower then McCoy to begin with.

Welker could end up being the #1 receiver in all of fantasy football this season.

So he gets a top 5 to 10 rb and maybe the #1 receiver in all of fantasy football for McCoy and a throw in receiver.

The only way you could have offered more then that is if you were willing to trade Graham.

So that means you want to bet Morris/Colston vs Gio/Welker right?

Didn't have time for counteroffer? Gimme a break it takes 5 mins to post on the board "I got an offer of Gio/Welker for McCoy, if someone can't beat that I am dealing LeSean McCoy"

I understand you are high on Welker/Gio (I have Gio at 10-1 to win ROY so I hope he does well) I've said I don't have a huge problem with the deal but the way it happened with an 0-4 team brought into the league by thedude and nobody else could really offer is just kinda lame.

Who is betting me Morris/Colston vs Welker/Gio? Kinda hoping to make a free 2K
 

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And Pats.
Just because im not willing to lay -300 does not mean I am not willing to put my money where my mouth is.
-300 is just a ridiculous number.

If this trade is as egregious as you are making it out to be I would jump all over +150 or so.
If you wont agree to +150 your rant does not match up to your actions.
 

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good point Chop. at least someone understands trading and doesn't just get angry and complainy
that is exactly what we spoke about - and to be honet, as i said earlier, i was very hesitant to make this trade.... and was surprised it was perceived as clown shit

Patsfan - you are misinterpreting. you didn't offer him Morris and Colston. you offered Moreno and Colston.

then when i asked what you would have offered, i mentioned Morris/Colston - but then your team would have consisted of Graham and McCoy, and that's it.
 

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So that means you want to bet Morris/Colston vs Gio/Welker right?

I would make that bet also.
But what does that have anything to do with the trade that was made?
 

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Pats. I agree it was not the best trade.

But with that being said im 100% if he would have liked your offer more he would have accepted it.

All this counter offer stuff a lot of people dont have time for all that.

Normally when I make a trade offer I give them my best offer upfront.

When someone offers me a trade I assume that is there best offer.

If you were willing to give up more for McCoy then your first offer I think what you should have done was make that offer the 1st time.


This trade does not even make my top 50 worst fantasy trades of all time.


McCoy is a huge injury risk and I dont have Bernard rated THAT much lower then McCoy to begin with.

Welker could end up being the #1 receiver in all of fantasy football this season.

So he gets a top 5 to 10 rb and maybe the #1 receiver in all of fantasy football for McCoy and a throw in receiver.

The only way you could have offered more then that is if you were willing to trade Graham.

Also can I'd take 7-8 WRs over Welker can I bet them vs him going forward?
 

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good point Chop. at least someone understands trading and doesn't just get angry and complainy
that is exactly what we spoke about - and to be honet, as i said earlier, i was very hesitant to make this trade.... and was surprised it was perceived as clown shit

Patsfan - you are misinterpreting. you didn't offer him Morris and Colston. you offered Moreno and Colston.

then when i asked what you would have offered, i mentioned Morris/Colston - but then your team would have consisted of Graham and McCoy, and that's it.


Nobody is angry, lets clear that up right now.

I just feel pretty confident he could've got a lot better deal than what was offered to him. What I could/couldn't offer really has nothing to do with this discussion even because this isn'y about me or my team...It is about an 0-4 team dealing 1 of the best players in fantasy football to the guy who brought them in the league and nobody else even got to offer.
 

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And Pats.
Just because im not willing to lay -300 does not mean I am not willing to put my money where my mouth is.
-300 is just a ridiculous number.

If this trade is as egregious as you are making it out to be I would jump all over +150 or so.
If you wont agree to +150 your rant does not match up to your actions.


If you think Colston is a 6-7th rd pick and Moreno is a 9-10th and Gio is a top 5-10 back and Welker potentially #1 WR then I'd say your words don't match your actions at -300, that is clearly +EV if you think those statements to be how you assess these players values going forward. I think you know this...

I never said Gio/Welker wasn't superior to Moreno/Colston, I just said it isn't a total joke..Thus the +300 #.


I would've beat the offer as would have many others in this league so my point remains the same.

Enjoy McCoy and your #...I can already tell you aren't going to do my bet with Colston/Morris 5 mins after you said "Colston/Morris ha"
And I'm being illogical? lol cmon now
 

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