The ULTIMATE Tout/Anti-Tout Argument

Guest · Feb 16, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by raiders72001:
Here are the facts Jake. You and Dog are the two worst cappers unit wise.

posted 02-16-03 12:59 AM
PANTHER_____86-71____+7.9 UNITS________+7.9units
PATRICK MCIRISH__56-44__+7.7 UNITS___+7.7units
THEERODFATHER____31-23___+4.6 UNITS____+8.7units
KODIAK___376-339____+4.1 UNITS____+1016.45units
HEINEKEN_____4-1_____+2.9 UNITS______+24.7 units
LOCKLINE_________0-1____-1.1 UNITS_____-1.1units
RPM________119-115____-2.4 UNITS______-2.4units
DOGBALL_____30-31____-4 UNITS_______-41.4unit
IDENTITY____34-40___-9.9 UNITS_______-22.6units
RX-MANIAC___113-117___-15.6 UNITS____+91.7units
NORTHERN ICE___68-81___-21.1 UNITS____-23.6units
JAKE THOMPSON__129-150__-34.05 UNITS__-29.51units<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea. By all means, do not pay me for my NBA picks. I will never again try and sell those. I stink. Plain and simple. Me and Dog are the two best last year in MLB. Also a fact. I experimented with NBA and it burnt me, and I've learned my lesson. MLB is a horse of a different color however.

Guest · Feb 16, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by raiders72001:
Jake- How many years have you been betting or taking bets? How can you even thing you know more about sports gambling then some of the guys here with 10 or in many cases much more years of experience gambling. Even the dullest of minds learns by repetition.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Close to 2 years now. And I don't think I know more than everyone. I know more than some. Some know more than me. I know more than most in MLB. I know less than most in NBA. It's all relative.

Guest · Feb 16, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by vegasguy39:
A quote by Jake Thompson.

"The only difference is that the stock market looks to be fairly volatile right now. You give money to make you money back. It's a risk. "

Please "DO NOT" campare the stock market with "GUESSING" on a sporting event outcome.

On a given day a "TEAM - A" can beat "TEAM - B".

You my friend have a 50% chance on being on the right side of the result. The next day brings a different event.

When you Invest In the stock market, the long term Is Involved and a viable product must be marketed etc. etc.

So please don't comapre "TOUTING" to stock market Investing.

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You are wrong here. If you do research, you don't have a 50% chance to win. You improve your chances. By your reasoning, an investment in the stock market has a 50% chance of gaining money. You gain or you loss. That is not how it works.

Guest · Feb 16, 2003

Jake- The one thing that I will give you credit for is that you do answer in a respectful manner and seem to be honest. On the other hand you have not spent nearly long enough in <gambling school> to even have a 3rd grade education in it. Hopefully you'll keep your gambling stakes low until you at least get a high school education in the world of gambling.

FunkSoulBrother · Feb 16, 2003

Jake, I so badly want to challenge you to a head-to-head contest in MLB that I'm going to explode.

If you have any interest in putting some money on such a contest, we can work out ground rules and stuff, we have almost a whole month.

Guest · Feb 16, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by tryingtofade:
On second thought, it occurs to me there is an apt analogy for gambling touts in the "investing" world. That of course would be the infamous "penny stock tout or promoter" who is someone who convinces unsophisticated individuals to buy worthless bits of paper by preying on their greed and desire for easy riches. Hmmmm. glad you brought it up.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If I remember right, Benjamin Graham was a big proponent of penny stocks, or at least extremely cheap stocks. One of the richest men in the world at one time.

Guest · Feb 16, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by hamneggs:
Snake-

You have cajones to start this thread kid...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Try to avoid the bad touts. There are different types. There are the liars. You know the guys. The ones with 10 GOY's, the one's that claim LOCK every pick, the ones that give both sides out. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

...the ones that don't update their record on their website for months at a time.

Haven't had a chance to read your whole post, but there should definitely be a link to this thread in the RR Dictionary under "RR BONE"

FYI, slander is spoken, libel is written.

LMAO

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http://olsentwins.syndk8.net/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First off, you are correct on the slander/libel issue. I'll remember it next time. The website is just time consuming. Since I last updated it I have won about 5 units. It isn't I am trying to hide things. I just don't get around to it. In the last month I've gained close to 13 units in NHL and haven't lost any money in NBA. It's just a pain to update daily. I agree it should be done though.

Guest · Feb 16, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by RPM:
HONOR AMONG THIEVES... HONOR AMONG GAMBLERS.

honor doesnt exist among either of these groups because a thief can never be trusted by anyone, and there is always a gambler who is looking to make a quick buck off of other gamblers.

nothing makes me sicker than the people that come here and build a following with full intentions of becoming a tout.

jake i dont know if you started out with that in mind, but i do know you were contemplating it, long before you actually did it. same thing dogball did. probably rodfather too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never started out that way but it came into my mind a few months before I actually did it. After I established myself as having some knowledge in baseball.

tryingtofade · Feb 16, 2003

right, I can see you know all about it. As our slightly retarded friend would say,
LOphuckingL
go away kid, you don't belong down here

mjred · Feb 16, 2003

raiders. lol high school??? 2 years puts him firmly in elementary school (about 4th grade imo)

jake, 2 years aint squat my friend and the fact that you did well in baseball ly or even 2 years running means nothing regarding your future success. if you'd been doing this longer than 2 years you'd already know that, but i'm sure you'll learn.

gl

Guest · Feb 16, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Journeyman:
Jake , your last shot is baseball, as you proved you knew nothing about the other sports...

I believe you had a good grasp of underdogs in baseball...

But you should pack it in as far as selling picks...

NO ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, BUILD A FOLLOWING THAN SPLIT AND SAY........ "LOOK GUYS I`M OVER HERE NOW, COME PAY"

One thing about Touts they all have that CAN DO NO WRONG ATTITUDE, it amazes me!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree, my picks in other sports are not worth paying for. I've won some money in some sports, lost money in NBA, but am not up over 10 units in any other the sports I won cash in. Hard to say that is worth paying. The last thing I should do is pack it in during the one sport I know 100% I can cap. After the baseball season, I'll probably rest on the idea of selling picks for a year. But the last thing I should do is pack it in during the one sport where I am really good.

Also, I don't think I have a can't do wrong attitude at all. I'm fully open about admitting to my mistakes I've made. I'm not perfect. I know that. I just think I'm good at baseball.

FunkSoulBrother · Feb 16, 2003

so take me on Jake. Please!!!

Its not like I'm some genius lurking in the shadows. Last time I challenged someone on the RX it was Cardfather to a 1 dime head to head game of poker at WSEX and I got my ass kicked.

I just like the thrill of the 1-on-1 battle... and the 0% juice wager we can place on it!

Guest · Feb 16, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by raiders72001:
Jake- The one thing that I will give you credit for is that you do answer in a respectful manner and seem to be honest. On the other hand you have not spent nearly long enough in <gambling school> to even have a 3rd grade education in it. Hopefully you'll keep your gambling stakes low until you at least get a high school education in the world of gambling.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Haha. Gambling stakes will be rediculously low until I get out of college and pay all the debt off.

Guest · Feb 16, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by FunkSoulBrother:
Jake, I so badly want to challenge you to a head-to-head contest in MLB that I'm going to explode.

If you have any interest in putting some money on such a contest, we can work out ground rules and stuff, we have almost a whole month.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We would need a third party to do this, because with my position as a tout, I can't post my whole card. Also, any wager with me would have to be pretty small. I'm in college, and have little money. If you still want to partake, I'm interested, but I can't lay huge slabs of cash down. Let me know. Jake@mbpicks.com.

Guest · Feb 16, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by tryingtofade:

right, I can see you know all about it. As our slightly retarded friend would say,
LOphuckingL
go away kid, you don't belong down here<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

See Rule #1. It's not a tough request.

Guest · Feb 16, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by mjred:
raiders. lol high school??? 2 years puts him firmly in elementary school (about 4th grade imo)

jake, 2 years aint squat my friend and the fact that you did well in baseball ly or even 2 years running means nothing regarding your future success. if you'd been doing this longer than 2 years you'd already know that, but i'm sure you'll learn.

gl<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I understand where you are coming from, but 37 units over 700 picks, well, I just can't see it as a fluke.

Guest · Feb 16, 2003

Hey guys, I'm going to head out for the night. I'll respond sometime.

Guest · Feb 16, 2003

Jake-
YOu are a good guy and I wish you well this year. Remember last years success does not guarantee you will do well this year. I hope you do, your fees are very reasonable and your analysis was often solid. I hope you learn to think a bit outside the box this year, it is not so easy as just reading the facts off the paper. Just make sure you are humble or any sport can beat you up good and quick.
Also, Raiders and I will agree here, two years is nothing in the gambling world. Listen to what DICKY W says about this as well, keep it all in perspective and remember -I do not know one successful gambler who has not been to hell and back a few times. I guess you could be the exception but you are very early in your gambling career. I think you have an auspicious future certainly as It pertains to bases and hope you build a roll large enough to pay off some of those loans.
GL

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