The C's need to win one game

[PatsFan1283]

Ehh you gotta factor in impact/gravity. Guy hits some shots is not the same as someone powering a teams entire offense. The entire D is trying to stop Jimmy every play.

If you take butler off the court for an avg player, they’re screwed. You take Caleb Martin off, someone else just has to hit some shots and play D. It’s an entirely different responsibility as a player.

Curry/Iggy finals same thing. It might look like Iggy had a better series, guarded lebron but their offense isn’t running without curry. Even if he’s not playing great, he’s making everything go.


Then there is just the legacy stuff, butler obviously carries this team to the finals, do people really wanna look back in a few years and say oh he didn’t win? True this other guy made some open shots. If curry never won a FMVP that’s just kinda stupid.

Going #s is fine when it’s close like Pierce/KG but butler Caleb Martin is just a different level of player

That’s like giving it to Dominic Rhodes over Peyton Manning when we know Manning is making everything go

 

[Avocado33]

Ehh you gotta factor in impact/gravity. Guy hits some shots is not the same as someone powering a teams entire offense. The entire D is trying to stop Jimmy every play.

If you take butler off the court for an avg player, they’re screwed. You take Caleb Martin off, someone else just has to hit some shots and play D. It’s an entirely different responsibility as a player.

Curry/Iggy finals same thing. It might look like Iggy had a better series, guarded lebron but their offense isn’t running without curry. Even if he’s not playing great, he’s making everything go.


Then there is just the legacy stuff, butler obviously carries this team to the finals, do people really wanna look back in a few years and say oh he didn’t win? True this other guy made some open shots

Yeah the impact thing gives him the nod

But man he looked like shit for long stretches of this series. Missing a lot of easy shots, Game 6 stands out

Martin really kept them afloat at times. Could argue he was the best player on the court at least 2 games this series

 

[crudebar]

I actually don’t have an issue with that

sometimes when teams are getting beat, people want them to adjust almost just for the sake of adjusting, but that’s easy from your couch. A lot of adjustments don’t work and these guys know this.

the reason Giannis on him worked in 2021 is because he’s going under the screens because butler jumper is broken but now it isn’t broken so he’s gonna have to get through the screens which he isn’t good at. Just better to have him as a help defender

and they blew 2 games late in the very last minutes, so it wasn’t like you’re getting killed w Giannis and have a ton of time to pivot here. It was on the fly.

I would agree if this was a Durant, LeBron, Luka or even perhaps a Devin booker. No one is stopping those guys when they are on...but this is Jimmy Butler. U should be able to hold him under 40.

Not saying Giannis guards him the whole game but when ur blowing another double digit lead how about switching Giannis over to him.

Holiday is a great on ball defender but he is also around 6'4" Butler is about 6'7" you can't tell me switching to a 6'11" Giannis doesn't change things.

But than again Bud spent years only playing Giannis and Middleton 32 mins a game in the play offs no matter situation and never a min more....

 

[PatsFan1283]

I would agree if this was a Durant, LeBron, Luka or even perhaps a Devin booker. No one is stopping those guys when they are on...but this is Jimmy Butler. U should be able to hold him under 40.

Not saying Giannis guards him the whole game but when ur blowing another double digit lead how about switching Giannis over to him.

Holiday is a great on ball defender but he is also around 6'4" Butler is about 6'7" you can't tell me switching to a 6'11" Giannis doesn't change things.

But than again Bud spent years only playing Giannis and Middleton 32 mins a game in the play offs no matter situation and never a min more....

Maybe for a few plays, anything can work for a little bit but don’t think it’s optimal. Tough to get through screens at that size.

Takes away his help D as well.

i dunno, just think sometimes when things go badly for these teams people expect the coach to have a wand. Not like butler is lebron size, jrue or middleton should be able to guard him OK. If they can’t guard top tier wings, that’s a problem.

 

[crudebar]

Maybe for a few plays, anything can work for a little bit but don’t think it’s optimal. Tough to get through screens at that size.

Takes away his help D as well.

i dunno, just think sometimes when things go badly for these teams people expect the coach to have a wand. Not like butler is lebron size, jrue or middleton should be able to guard him OK. If they can’t guard top tier wings, that’s a problem.

Middleton could never this year as that knee gave him problems defensively. He still posted 24/6/6 and was plus 29 on court but he wasn't an option this season.

I get why that lob to butler worked in game 5 as everyone including myself that there was no chance they weren't going for the 3 and the win....so not switching Giannis on that one...

You just have to switch a new defender while getting destroy by a guy who historically is a very medicore shooter and just a good offensive player.

 

[crudebar]

I am obviously not at practices but how the Bucks never got Jae Crowder off the bench to even try was baffling.

Was Grayson Allen that indispensable in the rotation?

Giannis
Middelton
Jrue
Lopez
Crowder

Should have been a Finals starting line-up. Haha

 

[Avocado33]

I am obviously not at practices but how the Bucks never got Jae Crowder off the bench to even try was baffling.

Was Grayson Allen that indispensable in the rotation?

Giannis
Middelton
Jrue
Lopez
Crowder

Should have been a Finals starting line-up. Haha

Come on, Crowder isn’t that good

He’s like a classic role piece on a team that is destined to lose to the eventual champion lol

 

[Willie99]

a fan of team playing for the bronze medal whose fanbase is making 81 million reasons why they arent playing for the gold

I guess you still have unfinIShed business

Oh, do you want to talk rings now? I'm all in wannabe

 

[skoda]

Speaking of unfinished business? The seed was planted last year and Jovic showed his short temper…
Players and coaches from both teams swarmed on the situation, and as Morris lay on the ground for quite some time, Jokic was immediately ejected from the game. He was later suspended for a game and fined $25,000 for "forcefully shoving" Morris. For essentially starting the situation, Morris was also ejected from the game and was given a $50,000 fine. Butler was also fined $30,000 for "attempting to escalate the altercation."

While in the moment emotions were running high, it's obvious that players on both sides aren't carrying that incident around with them. Even after it initially happened, Jokic said afterwards that he felt bad, and he shouldn't have reacted that way. It's still unclear who Butler may be referencing that he was talking to when he was yelling at Denver's bench, but as he said in his response, this is in the past.

 

[Knightrofins]

Oh, do you want to talk rings now? I'm all in wannabe

The HEAT entered the NBA in 1988

the Celtics have only won 1 ring since the 88-89 season.

HEAT have won 3

guess we are talking rings, wannabe

 

[Greenbacks]

Speaking of unfinished business? The seed was planted last year and Jovic showed his short temper…
Players and coaches from both teams swarmed on the situation, and as Morris lay on the ground for quite some time, Jokic was immediately ejected from the game. He was later suspended for a game and fined $25,000 for "forcefully shoving" Morris. For essentially starting the situation, Morris was also ejected from the game and was given a $50,000 fine. Butler was also fined $30,000 for "attempting to escalate the altercation."

While in the moment emotions were running high, it's obvious that players on both sides aren't carrying that incident around with them. Even after it initially happened, Jokic said afterwards that he felt bad, and he shouldn't have reacted that way. It's still unclear who Butler may be referencing that he was talking to when he was yelling at Denver's bench, but as he said in his response, this is in the past.

 

[Avocado33]

Oh, do you want to talk rings now? I'm all in wannabe

So in the past, as you said all the time about the Warriors last year

1 title, 3 Finals appearances in 36 years

Same resume as Kyrie Irving

 

[Avocado33]

The HEAT entered the NBA in 1988

the Celtics have only won 1 ring since the 88-89 season.

HEAT have won 3

guess we are talking rings, wannabe

Since the Heat have entered the league, they have been a better franchise than the Celtics without a doubt

 

[Serbone]

Nuggets in 5 or 6 games.
Game #1, Nuggets by 12-16.
GL!

 

[Willie99]

The HEAT entered the NBA in 1988

the Celtics have only won 1 ring since the 88-89 season.

HEAT have won 3

guess we are talking rings, wannabe

There's a lot more to life than the NBA, where the C's are an iconic franchise with still a good young nucleus in place

MJ, LBJ, Curry.... were all older than Tatum (and most of the C's) when they won their first title

In 8 years, if Tatum has zero rings like the old man Jimmy Butler, then that will be a bust

Enjoy the moment, winning is hard

 

[Knightrofins]

There's a lot more to life than the NBA, where the C's are an iconic franchise with still a good young nucleus in place

MJ, LBJ, Curry.... were all older than Tatum (and most of the C's) when they won their first title

In 8 years, if Tatum has zero rings like the old man Jimmy Butler, then that will be a bust

Enjoy the moment, winning is hard

The C’s are an iconic franchise. But when talking success and rings, we’re not talking much about the last 35 years. We’re talking about the 35 years before that.

you can’t compare Tatum to MJ, Steph, and LeBron. Those 3 have a few extra gears that Tatum doesn’t have and will probably never have.

MJ had crappy teams around him and when they got better, they still had to get through the pistons.

lebron didn’t have the best supporting cast in Cleveland so he had to leave.

Steph and crew took the bumps and finally got to elite status.

but young MJ, young Lebron, and young Steph NEVER lost to teams that they were WAY better than. Tatum choked. What were his 4th quarter numbers in crunch time? How many baskets did he make?

Jimmy wasn’t a star when he was young. He just worked hard and got better and better and became a leader.

jimmy vs tatum:

better player- tatum
Who do I want if I had to win 1 game- jimmy

 

[Willie99]

I can compare Tatum to the stars, they were all older when they won their titles and earned the reputations that they have

Jason is 25, and there are very few players I would even consider for a trade. Absolutely positively not Jimmy Butler

Congrats on advancing, enjoy the moment

 

[Willie99]

I can compare Tatum to the stars, they were all older when they won their titles and earned the reputations that they have

Jason is 25, and there are very few players I would even consider for a trade. Absolutely positively not Jimmy Butler

Congrats on advancing, enjoy the moment

And Lebron only won after recruiting two other stars to play with

 

[Knightrofins]

And Lebron only won after recruiting two other stars to play with

Lebron didnt do the recruiting. He was Recruited.

 

[Knightrofins]

I can compare Tatum to the stars, they were all older when they won their titles and earned the reputations that they have

Jason is 25, and there are very few players I would even consider for a trade. Absolutely positively not Jimmy Butler

Congrats on advancing, enjoy the moment

u think Tatum is really on the level of MJ, Steph, Lebron?

He is VERY good and deserved to be NBA first team. I just dont think he's at that level or will be at that level.

Young MJ and Lebron were AWESOME, even in their early playoff losses by the better team.

Tatum didnt show me much. He wasnt "the man" in the 4th quarter when needed. I still remember his game 2 post conference in the ECF when he said he was tired b/c the game started at 845. He's not there yet mentally.

Once I see his mental game step up a few levels, we'll reconsider