The 2019 Phil Steele/Northcoast Picks, Record Documentation, Commentary and Discussion Thread

BuzzKill · Dec 1, 2019

Crown · Dec 1, 2019

1-2 not nfl and his top play was jets? Oh my! That was the biggest sucker bet on the board. These guys are supposed to see through this. First time in a long time I did not take any NC on a Sunday. Saving money!!

BuzzKill · Dec 2, 2019

Northcoast Comp Play

Early Bird (10-3) - Ohio State -16

BuzzKill · Dec 2, 2019

Monday Northcoast

2* Under 49.5 Vikings/Seahawks

BuzzKill · Dec 3, 2019

Northcoast Comp Play

Early Bird (10-3) - Ohio State -16

Early Bird College Total (1-3) - Clemson over 54.5

BuzzKill · Dec 3, 2019

savage1 · Dec 3, 2019

I am back!

Thanks so much to you, Buzz Kill, for filling in so admirably during my absence.

I will be back with some recaps and commentary later as it has been a grueling and tiring day coming back from my vacation.

savage1 · Dec 3, 2019

I just rattled this off to Phil Steele,Todd(the comp. line guy) and NC.

Again I will be back sometime later with this week's and cumulative recaps.

Back from my vacation.

I the lying, deception and bullshit couldn't get any worse until I listened to the comp. line today.

You have people this week and for last three weeks and for the entire season and last four seasons(recap will follow later)

and you have the balls to brag that you are 18-11 in sides of late?

Hmm-it seems to me that you were 15-4 at one time and now are 18-11-that means you are 3-7 of late-how come no mention of that!!!

More importantly you are selling College Totals and NFL Sides besides College Sides as part of your package but don't say how poorly they have done of late.

Don't you think people should know how they have done the last few weeks and in November also???-obviously you know the record

sucks in those but don't have the honesty to admit it.

When I do the recaps shortly, it will be seen that you had an overall LOSING November, which of course you won't admit because well you bragged how well

you do in November which is of course one more lie.

If I have one wish in life it would be for me, Phil Steele and Todd to go to the cameras and do a one on one discussion and debate

to show what a scam Phil Steele/NC are, and most importantly to a show with my documentation over the last four years, that you have BURIED anyone who has followed

the NC Late Phones according to scale and even more so with cost of service factored in

All I can say to you, Todd, is that whether you are in charge of doing the comp. lines and/or the lies and bullshit you spew forth each day was ordered

by Phil Steele with your job at stake if you did not, you have no soul whatsoever, and you should be totally embarrassed.

You can bet your ass that this will be posted on my very popular thread which draws upwards of three hundred hits a day!!

savage1 · Dec 4, 2019

Here is the recap for Week 14 which includes a +2 credit for Week 13 in the cumulative recap for their Monday night winner on

Baltimore in week 13 which I did not include in original recap because I left for vacacton before that game was played.

Recaps for Week Fourteen:

College sides and totals 5-7 with 8.4 units LOST.

Pros 2-3 with 3.35 units LOST.

Overall for the week 11.75 units were LOST or $1,175 at $100 a unit.

The cheapest cost of service for a non PS subscriber of the several mentioned to get all of the Late Phone Plays

including this Monday was $125.

Thus factoring the cost, it is seen that 13 units were LOST or $1,300 at $100 a unit.

Cumulative:

College 72-68-3 with 18 units LOST(sides and totals combined).

Pro 25-28-2 with 18.05 units LOST.

Overall 36.05 units have been LOST or MINUS $3,605 at $100 a unit.

The total cost of service so far is 29.81 units or $2,981.

Thus adding in the cost, it is seen that so far the non PS subscriber is MINUS 65.86 units or MINUS $6,586 at $100 a unit, which I believe

is the seasonal low!!

Overall including last week over the last almost four years, anyone who has played the Late Phones

according to scale and factoring in the cost of service, is DOWN A DOCUMENTED MINUS $24,134!!

And yet all we hear from Phil Steele's co-conspirators, Todd the comp. line guy, Debbie(the receptionist if she is still there and/or

whoever has replaced her) and the rest of the folks involved in the record keeping and marketing is the usual short term and/or longer

term SELECTIVE records(whichever makes them look good and like they are actually winning), which as you can see is totally unrepresentative

of how they have done with their Late Phone Plays both for this season and overall just the las four years alone since I started documenting

their records.

And of yes-one more thing.

At the beginning of November as he does every year, Todd bragged about how well they have done and do every November.

Well they got off to a great start for the first two weeks but then gave it all back and a lot more.

On October 29, which was the last recap I did beefore November, and which includes all plays college and pro which were played through

October 31, the overall deficit including cost of service stood at MINUS $4423.

After all of the games were completed on Saturday November 30, the last day of the month, the deficit stood at MINUS $5951,

Doing some quick math, one can see that they lost 15.28 units in November or $1,528.

As I documented and have stated before they also lost in two Novembers out of the past three when I started documenting eking out a slight win

in only one of the months.

There were PLENTY more LOSING Novembers prior to that believe me from my past recollections of following NC for as many years as I have.

The obvious overall conclusion is that as is usually the case whether it be by commission of omission, Todd, Phil Steele's flunky is lying

about November.

The latest example of that is his bragging about the 18-11 record late in November for college sides ONLY which as you can see by looking at real

recap as documented above leaves out so much and shows that NC had a horrible November.

savage1 · Dec 4, 2019

Along with a copy of what I posted in previous post, I attached this to the email I just sent Phil Steele/Todd/NC:

Here is your REAL recap for November, Week Fourteen, November, Cumulative Recap for the season and over the last four years for the Late Phones,

which you not only hide from but worse try to give the impression that you are winning.

If sports services were fully legitimized and regulated and there was something akin for handicappers to the AMA and ADA, NC would simply

not be permitted to engage in the kind of sleazy/deceptive and totally unrepresentative form of marketing and record keeping that you

now, ie lack of full disclosure.

That said, I openly challenge Todd or Phil Steele to write back me and show/prove to me why the documentation which follows is not accurate

re: your Late Phones.

I don't expect a reply because to you I am what Kryptonite is to Superman.

In short you have no answers to refute anything said here.

Instead of running away as you usually do, grow a pair of balls and comment on this:

savage1 · Dec 4, 2019

On today's comp. message on ext. 9(ext. 3 unchanged) all we get is a pump for the coin flip 50% Double Bowl Issue of PowerSweep.

I expect next week we will get the usual insulting bullshit for the Bowl Package for all 40 sides and totals, an alleged $1600

value($25 for sides and $15 for totals)yeah right. lol for the great discounted price for only around $800 for a non PS subscriber for 50% at best picks. lol

THE #2 ECONOMY CLUB PLAY IS MIAMI DOLPHINS + 5 1/2.

savage1 · Dec 4, 2019

I forgot to mention that the cost to get all of Saturday sides and totals and all of NFL for Sunday is $139 for a non PS subscriber.

BuzzKill · Dec 5, 2019

Every Thursday during the season Phil Steele will provide his top plays across the college football landscape.
Here is his best bets for the final full week of the college football season:

Season ATS record:
Steele record: 31-41-1 (2-3 last week)

Note: Lines displayed are Caesars Sportsbook lines as of Wednesday night.

Saturday's games

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Miami (OH) RedHawks vs. Central Michigan Chippewas (-7)

in Detroit
Steele: Last week Miami led 27-14 at Ball State at the half, but with numerous players going down with injuries in the game (including QB Brett Gabbert), coach Chuck Martin decided to play mostly backups in the second half and was outscored 27-0 after halftime. The RedHawks clinched the MAC East two weeks ago and only beat lowly Akron by three points that week, so they enter with zero momentum. The defenses are close, but Central Michigan has a significant edge of offense with Tennessee transfer QB Quinten Dormady and two potential 1,000-yard rushers in Jonathan Ward and Kobe Lewis. Central played in the much tougher division in the MAC and should also have the crowd edge with this game in Detroit.
ATS pick: Central Michigan -7

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UAB Blazers at Florida Atlantic Owls (-7.5)

Steele: In Lane Kiffin's two bowl seasons with FAU, he is 18-6-1 ATS with his wins by 24.1 PPG. Oklahoma transfer QB Chris Robison has been much improved this year, hitting 62 percent of his passes with a 22-5 ratio. Mackey Award finalist TE Harrison Bryant leads the team with 965 receiving yards and Alabama transfer BJ Emmons has rushed for 124 yards the last two weeks since returning from injury. UAB outgains foes by 161 yards per game at home but by just 27 yards per game on the road. UAB has taken on the weakest schedule in the country while two of FAU's losses have been to Ohio State and UCF. The Blazers have faced three bowl teams on the road this year and lost those by 21.7 PPG.
ATS pick: Florida Atlantic -7.5

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Virginia Cavaliers at Clemson Tigers (-28.5) in Charlotte

Steele: This seems like a lot of points for a title game, but Clemson is the class of the ACC. The Tigers have one of the top offensive lines in the country, a dangerous set of receivers and one of the nation's top running backs in Travis Etienne (8.3 yards per carry). Trevor Lawrence has a 16-0 ratio in the last five games and takes on a banged-up Cavaliers secondary that has allowed 302 yards per game passing the previous four weeks. The Clemson D is No. 1 in the country holding foes to 178 yards per game below their season average and know the key to stopping Virginia's offense is to stop QB Bryce Perkins, who is their leading rusher.
Virginia is coming ff a tough comeback win against their rival that had beaten them 15 straight times and also needed a win to wrap up the Coastal, and that game went to the final seconds. Clemson coasted versus rival South Carolina 38-3, and the Tigers are 9-2 ATS versus FBS foes this year.
ATS pick: Clemson -28.5

BuzzKill · Dec 5, 2019

savage1 · Dec 5, 2019

Here you go with totday's laughable and insulting message on #3(ext. 9 inactive today).

As predicted the Bowl Package is featured, an alleged $1280 value($20 for sides and $12 for totals) for the "bargain" price of "only" $649 for a non PS

subscriber.

Yeah I am sure that everyone is going to stop everything they are doing/buying at Christmas time to send these scandalous assholes $649 let alone $1280

for picks which have totally buried people this year and for last four years(see recap posted yesterday).

Phil Steele/NC can't successfully pick their noses or more appropriately the dingleberries out of this assholes and they expect people to pay them $649!!!

Good services whose records are in positive territory charge maybe around $200 to $250 tops for their Bowl Packages, but as anyone who has followed

Phil Steele/NC for years realizes, they have a vastly inflated opinion of themselves and think people will pay their insulting prices.

What is really funny here is that the Double Bowl PowerSweep Issue has done at least as well as the Bowl Package picks over the years

and costs only $20 and is loaded with all of the data, trends and angles, etc. anyone needs to decide upon their own picks

which I guarantee will do better than those of NC if history is any guide.

Hopefully you get the picture here.

THE NFL TOTALS COMP OF THE WEEK IS OVER CAROLINA 47 1/2.

BuzzKill · Dec 5, 2019

Phil Steele's Inside the Pressbox - College - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Hmw...Vb-rt-qpF/view
Phil Steele's Inside the Pressbox - Thursday NFL - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Uja...ew?usp=sharing

savage1 · Dec 5, 2019

All I can say, folks, is compare NC's version as to how they have doing in post 654(see headline, etc.) with my documented record keeping

in post 649 and decide which is a better indicator as to their OVERALL record and which one should be posted in order to allow someone if they want to

purchase anything from NC.

savage1 · Dec 5, 2019

One other thing I forgot to post in #655 is that nowhere in their promo did Todd mention how NC did last year units wise with their Bowl Package or for that

matter over the longer term.

I sent Steele/NC an email today asking them to state their record so that all can make a rational choice as to whether they want to buy or not.

I also added a sarcastic comment that perhaps the reason Todd, Phil's Subservient Turd/Flunky, didn't state their record is because they are modest and

didn't want to brag. lol

savage1 · Dec 5, 2019

Here is the "brilliant" Mar "QUEES"my ass play from NC that's lots of other services had also.
:1 Unit

Side Play

[101] Dallas Cowboys vs.

[102] Chicago Bears

Thursday December 5th, 2019 8:20 PM EST
[101] Dallas Cowboys

savage1 · Dec 6, 2019

Early Look:

If the historical form holds, expect Todd to say right off the bat that they had a "rare" Marquee loser last night.

Lets just say that I find it interesting for a service which is down a DOCUMENTED $6600 with its Late Phones this year and over 24K over the last four years

has the balls to even use the term "rare loser."

Based on their record and to be politically correct, instead they should be talking about "rare winners" when they win because that in fact what is the truth here.

Re: their $649 Bowl Package, first as I said yesterday, NC has not disclosed its record for last year with this, for the immediate seasons before it or longer term

like they do with the other forms of picks because it is obvious they cannot find a way/time frame to show it has been winning.

Imo what they should do at the very least to have any credibility is to offer some kind of guarantee.

If they simply want to guarantee the forty sides and forty totals as a whole without ratings, then imo they should guarantee it will be profitable.

In this case for a $100 they would have to go 45-35 which would result in $4500 of winners and $3850 of losers(36x110).

This would result in a $650 profit minus the cost of service of $649 or a $1 "profit."

If they wanted to count only the star rated plays out of the 80 pieces, then the guarantee should be that a person playing according to scale/rating

would have to show a profit after the $649 was factored in.

Similar guarantees would apply to PS subscribers who pay less.

What would the guarantee for a non PS subscriber?

Well for me the right thing to do would be to refund the entire $649 if they cannot turn a profit.

The other alternative would be to use their current Monday Night type of guarantee which is to pay $30 for the pick and if it lsoes,

to get back $40 in store credit toward future picks.

The $10 added on is a 33% guarantee(10 divided by 33).

Using a similar guarantee for their Bowl Package would mean that if NC doesn't turn a profit with it Bowl Package, $214 would be added on in "store credit,"

meaning that overall if NC loses, a client would get back $863 in "store credit" for future picks.

Obviously Phil Steele/NC are too arrogant and cheap to offer any kind of guarantee let alone the type I suggested, but I thought it

would be interesting to some to pass it along.

I will send this post to NC to see what they think, but am not holding my breath for a response.

Back later.