The 2019 Phil Steele/Northcoast Picks, Record Documentation, Commentary and Discussion Thread

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On ext.9 we get the usual Tuesday pumps and pricing for PowerSweep and PowerPlays-no need to go over that.

THE COMP. IS A 4 STAR POWER PLAY ON CALIFORNIA - 10 1/2.

On ext. 3 we are predictably told that there will be an NFL GOM this weekend.

We are also given the usual short term, positive and selective record keeping to try to make NC look good.

The Tuesday "Dinner Special" for a non PS/PP subscriber is $159 for Saturday sides only and all Sunday plays including the GOM.

The college totals cost an additional $39.

The UNDERDOG PLAY OF THE WEEK IS DUKE + 3 1/2.
 

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Read your post #285. Predictable??? lol

If I read you right, then yeah NC would look pretty hypocritical and stupid putting out a College GOM this weekend right after the Five Star.

If they did, they would be saying in effect "Well folks, we know we had a rare College Five Star last weekend, of which there are only a handful a year.

But guess by sheer coincidence there is another game going this weekend which in our opinion deserves the same kind of rating as last week's game.

Here at NC we NEVER try to deceive anyone, and ALL of our big plays are based on merit only with no regard to the timing."

And within a millisecond of saying that Todd would be pumping the play and the "great discounts" for it along with the Late Phone for the weekend.

Something tells me that that wouldn't go over too well if they dared to try it. lol
 

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The fact that there is a relatively rare Wednesday college football going tonight means one thing for sure, namely that NC will have a $12 Marquee

for sale on it.

It won't be a star rated play as those are reserved for weekends where interest in gambling piques.

It won't be an opinion for which there will be no charge as well, NC doesn't give away anything for nothing other than the bullshit, half truths, spin,

and overall deception which has always enveloped it.

A possible pass altogether you ask?

Well that is about as likely as me getting praise from the NC for the wonderful job I do in telling the other side of the story about them. lol
 

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Fairly short message today on ext. 9(ext. 3 message is a carryover from yesterday).

First, of course the prediction about the Marquee in last post is correct.

Also predictably and is always the case on Wednesday we get the Economy Club spiel along with the never changing pricing.

The price of the NFL GOM alone for Sunday is $100 for a non PS subscriber.

THE ECONOMY #2 PLAY OF THE WEEK IS CENTRAL MICHIGAN - 11 1/2.
 

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Gather around, folks-I have an EXTREMELY IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT.

Hold onto your hats.

We have found out the NC Marquee Play for tonight from the SM!!!

The Play is...................................1 Unit
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Ok-here we go with the summaries for ext.9 and ext.3-frankly no surprises.

On ext. 9 we get the recap for last night along with a backloaded Marquees 20-9 run of late, like one was supposed to know to only but those plays but not the

other stuff the put out.

And they wheel out the Top Three Trio which they haven't rolled out in while-my opinion is that nothing else is working , so they decided to try

this again, which has never worked out before either.

We get more backloaded and selective short term records, which leave out so much.

THE RON JEREMY BIG DONG/DOG COMP. OF THE WEEK IS MIDDLE TENNESSEE ST. + 7 1/2.

On ext. 3 we get a repeat of the pricing for the weekend-go back and read previous posts to find out more.

THE NFL TOTALS COMP. OF THE WEEK IS UNDER SAN FRANCIISCO 41 1/2.
 

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I forgot to mention in previous post that there are two Marquees going tonight for $12 apiece or $24 total.

Since this year there has been some difficulty in getting these plays and/or in a timely manner, lets just say that if we can assemble 24 folks

willing to contribute their fair share, for tonight's game I will gladly contribute my portion of $.50. :aktion033
 

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With last night's 2-0 sweep with the Marquees, I believe overall NC is on a 22-9 combined college and pro run of late.

Although this obviously represents the short term rather than longer term, where the record is not as good(if it was the record would go beyond 31 games), it is

still quite good at 71% and especially compared with the combined record for the Late Phone Star Rated Plays, which stand at 49-44 for the season or

a paltry 52.7%.

All this is interesting and telling as the Late Phone Plays are allegedly better and are a lot more expensive than the Marquees, which sell for as little $4 apiece

on Saturdays to $12 most of the other times.

The question is why do the Marquees do better than the Late Phones it seems year after year?

My theory on this (and that is all it is), is this:

The college plays on Saturday as well as the Pro Plays on Sunday have to pass a lot of very difficult scrutinized criterion and standards to make it to Late

Phone status.

There are lots of games choose from on weekends and especially so on the Saturday college schedule.

On Saturdays only the five or so games which best meet the difficult criterion are selected, and the same on Sunday.

On the other hand, on plays during the week such as Monday night Pro Marquee, weekday college football, the Thursday

and Sunday night Pro Marquee, there are obviously many fewer games to choose from, this meansg that inasmuch as NC wants to sell something

on those days, they simply choose the one(s) which meet a much lesser criterion than the Late Phones-that is precisely why they are designated

as Marquees rather than Late Phone Plays.

My point/commentary is here since the Marquees usually do a lot better than the Late Phones, perhaps the standards NC are using to pick

the Late Phones are simply too stringent and need to be tweaked a bit more in line with those used with the Marquees in order to achieve

a higher winning percentage.

Although I don't subscribe to either of the weekly newsletters nor buy the annuals, I have read them on occasion.

My overall gut feeling is that while these publications contain every last detail/stat about each game and every team and player in the country and are

nice to know for the football fanatic, a lot of it is totally irrelevant to picking ats winners, and needs to be simplified.

I would compare it to the old saying of one being able to see the trees but not the forest with these teams and games.

Thus in conclusion if I was Phil Steele and/or the handicappers who comprise NC, I would take a look at what criterion has worked so much better

with the Marquees than the Late Phones and streamline the later along the same lines as the Marquees in hopes and expectations of improving

evening things out for the better with the Late Phones.

Back later.

 

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Not much to report today(only ext. 9 changed today).

First of all the now 21-9 rather than 22-9 as I stated in previous post pertains ONLY to the College Marquees and NOT the Pros.

Actually as the Late Phone College plays are usually a lit weaker than the Pros, this 21-9 record with Marquees just furthers my case as for NC

to rethink the manner in which they choose the Late Phones as opposed to the Marquees.

We get another pitch for The Top Play Trio, and are told the PS Subscription for remainder of season costs $89.

ANYWAYS THE BIG TWELVE PLAY OF THE WEEK IS KANSAS STATE + 21 1/2.

ps There is also a Marquee going tonight.
 

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Northcoast Economy Club College Plays

1. UAB
2. Central Michigan
3. Boston College
4. Duke
5. Temple
6. North Carolina
7. Missouri
8. Georgia Southern
9. LSU
10. Texas A&M
11. Michigan
12. San Diego St
 

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Northcoast Economy Club College Plays

1. UAB
2. Central Michigan
3. Boston College
4. Duke
5. Temple
6. North Carolina
7. Missouri
8. Georgia Southern
9. LSU
10. Texas A&M
11. Michigan
12. San Diego St

I wonder how many of these midweek plays will somehow "graduate"/"get a diploma" and reach Late Phone status by tomorrow. :pointer:

Seriously as always, Buzz Kill, thanks for posting.
 

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Although NC alleges that Phil Steele no longer has any says in the picks(which frankly I don't beleive), I just came across this re: his record at

ESPN in the service section, and suffice it to say as you can see, it isn't very pretty.

Seriously shouldn't someone who puts in well over a hundred hours a week handicapping, do a little better than this in college football?

Best bets for Week 8 college football games

Every Thursday during the season, Bill Connelly, Doug Kezirian, Preston Johnson and Phil Steele will provide their top plays across the college football landscape.

Here are their best bets for the eighth full week of the college football season:

Season ATS records:

Connelly: 13-8-1 (1-2 last week)

Kezirian: 26-17-1 (4-0-1 last week)

Johnson: 21-16-1 (5-2 last week)

Steele: 13-24 (0-5 last week)


 

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Whats really ironic and telling about last post is that in post 313, Steele claims to be 12-6 with another set of plays the last two weeks.

As I have always said, Steele/NC operate on the basis of putting out as many different sets of plays as possible with the goal being that some of the sets

will win during the week so that they can both brag about it ad sucker some folks into buying some picks from them.

I bet of any of us tried the same thing, we could all find something to brag about which won in a given week.
 

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FWIW at this time:

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I won't bore you with the one way bragging. promotions or pricing as they it never change.

Ext. 9 THE COLLEGE TOTALS COMP. OF THE WEEK IS UNDER MICHIGAN STATE 46 1/2.

Back with the ext. 3 comp. after it is given out.
 

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