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punter · Jan 2, 2008

I do. Have you reported all your bribes?

barman · Jan 2, 2008

MARK L said:
Unborn children have rights too -- at least they should.

SH: But they don't - not in The United States of America.

Here, they are utterly powerless blobs of protoplasm until the female carrying them gives them their full blown American civil rights when she decides of her own free will to deliver them to term as a Real Live Human Being.

barman · Jan 2, 2008

texansfan said:
I would have to say that the people who receive welfare are the one's having the most kids. Ever been to a gov't housing unit?

SH: Nonsense. You've obviously never been into the homes of good taxpayin' Mormon, Catholic or Jewish families. There's little scudders overrunning the joint.

texansfan · Jan 2, 2008

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SH: Nonsense. You've obviously never been into the homes of good taxpayin' Mormon, Catholic or Jewish families. There's little scudders overrunning the joint.

If they are living in homes then they aren't getting gov't assistance are they? We don't need people who don't work and rely on the gov't entirely to keep having kids.

barman · Jan 2, 2008

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If they are living in homes then they aren't getting gov't assistance are they? We don't need people who don't work and rely on the gov't entirely to keep having kids.

That's a whole other topic. I was merely poking fun at your hypothesis that "the people receiving welfare are having the most kids".

Revisions to the federal welfare programs begun in 1996 under Clinton and since strengthened by the Bush administration boot most folks off of regular substantive financial assistance after two years if no one is working, so whatever scam a few lazy folk are pulling, it's not getting them too far.

texansfan · Jan 2, 2008

I don't even know how to begin to remove people from the welfare rolls. You can't just say go get a job. How in the hell do you live off of 6 to 10 bucks an hour? Some of these people just pass on poverty like an inheritance, from one generation to the next.

Most of these people have quit school and can't really get a decent job. Somehow this country has got to stop the cycle.

barman · Jan 2, 2008

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I don't even know how to begin to remove people from the welfare rolls. You can't just say go get a job. How in the hell do you live off of 6 to 10 bucks an hour? Some of these people just pass on poverty like an inheritance, from one generation to the next.

Most of these people have quit school and can't really get a decent job. Somehow this country has got to stop the cycle.

SH: At that pay scale, people are likely better working as couples (at least) and increasing their job experience and/or education.

Their plan would be helped by having few or NO children.

Like I said, that's a whole 'nuther topic having nothing to do with your love or lack thereof for the ACLU.

barman · Jan 2, 2008

I would add that if they (the couple or more) aren't interested in furthering their education and are satisfied just working a rudimentary job role, then they REALLY need to avoid having children.

Start another thread on this topic and I'll woo you with my personal campaign to educate people on the need to delay having children.

Not based so much on "population control" as it is the pragmatic reality for young adults to be smarter about multiplying the number of non-income producing mouths in their household.

texansfan · Jan 2, 2008

I go to gov't housing units on a daily basis. I can only speak for those that I go to but there are very few couples living together.

Mostly single moms with no dad to be found.

texansfan · Jan 2, 2008

barman said:
SH: At that pay scale, people are likely better working as couples (at least) and increasing their job experience and/or education.Their plan would be helped by having few or NO children.

You have to remember that most of these people don't want to work. Why would they want to work for so little money when they public housing, money for each child, food stamps, social security, etc. What's the incentive to work? Do you really think they care about education? The reason most of them are where they are is because they quit school in the first place.

barman · Jan 2, 2008

texansfan said:
I go to gov't housing units on a daily basis. I can only speak for those that I go to but there are very few couples living together.

Mostly single moms with no dad to be found.

See my above equation. The women you describe didn't even make it as far as "living as couples (or more)" before they blew through to the dubious third step of "having children".

I'd put the finger wagging smiley up here, but would have to do it twice.

(not wagging at you, but at those women)

texansfan · Jan 2, 2008

Of course, if people like Punter had his way (which is whatever his wife tells him) people on welfare would receive it for life. His philosphy is "the gov't should take care of me"

barman · Jan 3, 2008

texansfan said:
You have to remember that most of these people don't want to work. Why would they want to work for so little money when they public housing, money for each child, food stamps, social security, etc. What's the incentive to work? Do you really think they care about education? The reason most of them are where they are is because they quit school in the first place.

SH: It is a relatively rare person who will be satisfied with "not working" and thus being resigned to life on the meager government handout.

It's kinda cool for a while, but your options are so limited that most come to realize that the only way to increase options is to increase work and to increase education.

Those in the housing projects are often those folks who have not yet made the decision to do one or both.

Some may never make that decision and will live in perpetual boredom for long periods.

But for most it will get old.

There are tens of thousands of people in just your and my state alone who have demonstrated that changing strategies leads people from 100% dependence into a life of healthy interdependence with others and with their community.

A common thread between those who do this soonest and with the least relapses back into dependency are that they have either no children or that they have children and a very reliable support structure beyond just a couple of grandparents whose participation may be more coerced than voluntary.

barman · Jan 3, 2008

texansfan said:
Of course, if people like Punter had his way (which is whatever his wife tells him) people on welfare would receive it for life. His philosphy is "the gov't should take care of me"

Now you take off your reasonable discussion hat and for a moment replace it with the trollish ProvokeAnotherMember hat.

Start the fresh thread and we'll work this down to every nauseating last detail.

roadreeler57 · Jan 5, 2008

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MinnesotaEconMajor · Jan 25, 2009

Bump. Love the site.

betedgeonly · Jan 25, 2009

Marco said:
So, you want to compare what the ACLU is doing to some failed doctrine as communism.......yes, failed.....even Joe C will tell you as he has stated in numerous threads that communism is obsolete and a truly failed policy.........don't tell me you now disagree with Joe because what you're saying and what he's saying cannot co-exist....

Communism has nothing to do with it.....it's simply intolerance by the bible belt and moral prudes that people have choices outside their narrow moral tunnel vision......

It's about individual adult decisions and about personal freedom, the ACLU does more for freedom and choice than the moral snobs trying to convert the country from some alternate lifestyle choices that they consider immoral yet they fail to realize all they simply have to do is choose what's right for them and quietly get the fuck out of other people's lives.

You put way to much sugar in you're koolaide my friend. How can you be so blind.

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betedgeonly · Jan 25, 2009

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There's nothing wrong with the ACLU if you don't like the core family and if you hate America.

I'm not concerned about religion in the classroom - that's the excuse the anti-AmericanACLU uses to extend its own agenda - I am concerned about classroom discipline and keeping political agendas out of the classroom; I'm for parents being in charge of the family, not some school nurse or school administrator; I believe the government should stay out of our lives.

If anyone is interested, here is the agenda of the ACLU:

Every day, the headlines scream with some new threat from the American Civil Liberties Union. I believe it's important to look behind the curtain and discover the origins of groups and organizations to better understand their activities. The ACLU was founded in the 1920s by Roger Baldwin and Crystal Eastman, described as a "progressive" and "the perfect feminist."

Earl Browder was general secretary of the Communist Party of the United States from 1930 through its dissolution in 1944. When the party was reconstituted as the Communist Political Association later that year, Browder was chosen as its president. Browder proudly proclaimed that the ACLU functioned as "a transmission belt" for the party. To deny the ACLU's founding was attached at the hip to communist organizations is to deny what can easily be proven as truth.

For the past few decades, the ACLU has been on a major crusade to destroy Christianity in America, promote filth under "freedom of speech and expression," and of course, vigorously defend the homosexual culture of death. On Jan. 10, 1963, Congressman Albert S. Herlong Jr., D-Fla., read a list of 45 communist goals into the [COLOR=blue! important][FONT='Times New Roman', Georgia, Serif][COLOR=blue! important][FONT='Times New Roman', Georgia, Serif]Congressional [/font][COLOR=blue! important][FONT='Times New Roman', Georgia, Serif]Record[/font][/color][/font][/color][/color]. Below are the communist goals being implemented by the ACLU in their quest to destroy America's culture and traditions:

Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate [COLOR=blue! important][FONT='Times New Roman', Georgia, Serif][COLOR=blue! important][FONT='Times New Roman', Georgia, Serif]civil [/font][COLOR=blue! important][FONT='Times New Roman', Georgia, Serif]rights[/font][/color][/font][/color][/color].

Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.

Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and television.

Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy."

Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the communists took over. Obliterating the American past, with its antecedents in principles of freedom, liberty and private ownership is a major goal of the communists then and now.

Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture – education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

Anyone who has been following the destructive path of the ACLU can easily see how effective these communist goals have been implemented to "promote democracy" and protect your "civil rights." Lenin stated: "[COLOR=blue! important][FONT='Times New Roman', Georgia, Serif][COLOR=blue! important][FONT='Times New Roman', Georgia, Serif]Communism[/font][/font][/color][/color] alone is capable of providing really complete democracy." (See Tucker, "The Lenin Anthology"). James Madison, known as the "Father of the Constitution" had something different to say about a democracy:

Democracy is the most vile form of government ... democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention, have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property, and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.

Perhaps it's time to recognize the ACLU as the American Communist Lawyers Union instead of their disingenuous "civil rights" stage name.

(From Devvy kidd,

Why don't the aclu and all their follower's just go out and find some land to call their own, teach and do what THEY wish to in "their" little country and wait and see how many people want to move there with them to live such great lives that can be controld by them.....????come on, there is still plenty of land out there....

edge

betedgeonly · Jan 25, 2009

bblight said:
Yes - he said "Free speach applies to prayer too."

You're the moomnat who brought up prayer in public schools- which I called a typical moonbat response to change the subject.

To pinkos like you, teaching about sex and handing out contraceptives in our public schools is ok and teaching that homosexuality is acceptable - but teaching about any kind of values is a right wing conspiracy.

You people are unbelievable.

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roadreeler57 · Jan 25, 2009

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