Shrink- Thanks for the heads up. I don't play at any of these books but your insight is very helpful to those of us who gamble but don't have the contacts and information you do. We may take shots at your picks from time to time but we appreciate when you are trying to protect players with solid information not available to us.
most bm's do not have balanced books. For example on a Sunday of Football they might have 1/2 the games balanced and the other half one way action. In a perfect world you would have equal amounts on both sides. so when games do fall it might not be that much diferent if the game did not. Sometimes it hurts.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ivanm:
most bm's do not have balanced books. For example on a Sunday of Football they might have 1/2 the games balanced and the other half one way action. In a perfect world you would have equal amounts on both sides. so when games do fall it might not be that much diferent if the game did not. Sometimes it hurts.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Very very seldom a one sided game does more damage than like the middle that occurred in game #2.
I would have to disagree with you.
most bm's do not have balanced books. For example on a Sunday of Football they might have 1/2 the games balanced and the other half one way action. In a perfect world you would have equal amounts on both sides. so when games do fall it might not be that much diferent if the game did not. Sometimes it hurts.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Very very seldom a one sided game does more damage than like the middle that occurred in game #2.
I would have to disagree with you.
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Im not sure fi what Ivan pointed out is true but it reminds of something else that irritates me..
companies like Ford for example..
" Oh we lost 175 million this year, layoffs are expected"
They didnt LOSE anything. They just didn't make as much as they projected. So they call it a loss.
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THAT IS SO TRUE..
QUOTE OF THE YEAR....IN MY MIND
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Im not sure fi what Ivan pointed out is true but it reminds of something else that irritates me..
companies like Ford for example..
" Oh we lost 175 million this year, layoffs are expected"
They didnt LOSE anything. They just didn't make as much as they projected. So they call it a loss.
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THAT IS SO TRUE..
QUOTE OF THE YEAR....IN MY MIND
The NBA playoffs were strange this year as Chalk just kept covering over and over. It took two rounds to clear that out. There was so much chalk money, the sharps did not balance. Then the next series numbers just kept hitting, so many backdoors, how many times did that free half point come in handy, 5 or 6. But the Finals were probably bad for books. They did manage to clean up on all of the Laker futures, but Motown was a heavy dog. The game #2 8 was just devastating as maybe a few squares lost their beer money, but overall the books paid all winners. No sharps lost, at worst tied. Takes a ton of balanced action to make up for a total payout game. Then the last two games were middles on the totals. Especially damaging were game 4 totals. Both game total and 2nd half total again were dead solid middles. Again, the sharps just collected. I had 4 positions myself on those, opposed of course, collected 3, pushed 1. I went for low juice vs. the hook on 2nd half total. Game #5 had a lot of late Laker action, a reprieve, but again, the 2nd half total landed on the opener. It takes a good 15-20 games to make up for one solid middle. For all those numbers to hit, in the Finals was without a doubt loser for most books. I have seen NBA playoffs where nothing, I mean nothing hits, for the entire playoffs. What you have to keep in mind when these numbers hit, sometimes the books write a ton of +8 1/2. Then they move to 8. Maybe some balancing but all that pushes. Then they put up -7 1/2, and all of the chalkies nail -7 1/2. Or the middlers who bought the +8 1/2 are now looking for lay numbers. So instead of a hopeful 5% hold, they get ripped for a 100% or close loss. I used to work in the books, as a house player and when these numbers drop, they just write winners. We used to call it a blood bath. Although we as players revel when the numbers drop, including myself, it can have a devastating effect on the books...Best wishes...OF
SHRINK.......you are correct about the NBA play-offs in general, last game was sweet for books but several of them hurt pretty bad.....
i wish i could say your dead wrong about your assumption that the books you listed are struggling, but since i am not looking at the figures i cant...
but i can say this, with baskets over and the long hot summer ahead, (bases) i doubt ANY book will fold before football, reason is this...there just isnt that much baseball action compared to foots and baskets and books historically have the tightest betting limits on bases, so overall all profit might be nil, but so will loses.... i suggest you give your opinion on those books stability right before foots kicks off....
btw...the old bookmaking addage..."make your money with football and try not to lose it back with baskets and bases"
meaning...if a book didnt score with foots......then the baskets this year might have hurt a bit..
i wish i could say your dead wrong about your assumption that the books you listed are struggling, but since i am not looking at the figures i cant...
but i can say this, with baskets over and the long hot summer ahead, (bases) i doubt ANY book will fold before football, reason is this...there just isnt that much baseball action compared to foots and baskets and books historically have the tightest betting limits on bases, so overall all profit might be nil, but so will loses.... i suggest you give your opinion on those books stability right before foots kicks off....
btw...the old bookmaking addage..."make your money with football and try not to lose it back with baskets and bases"
meaning...if a book didnt score with foots......then the baskets this year might have hurt a bit..
Gentlemen..
My 2 books..SAFEDEPOSITSPORTS..and TRIVIA..
We must be the home of the educated player..
Historically my players always take the dog in the series..Even Heat vs Pacers, which I won they took the dog..Here it hurt me..
In the playoffs so many games landed on or near the numbers..For the players who buy points this years playoffs was a gold mine..
Baseball is a sport we spend catering to the customer..Its a tough time to make money..Remember if a player takes 2 dogs and splits, in this sport he makes money..
The pigskin is just around the corner..
My 2 books..SAFEDEPOSITSPORTS..and TRIVIA..
We must be the home of the educated player..
Historically my players always take the dog in the series..Even Heat vs Pacers, which I won they took the dog..Here it hurt me..
In the playoffs so many games landed on or near the numbers..For the players who buy points this years playoffs was a gold mine..
Baseball is a sport we spend catering to the customer..Its a tough time to make money..Remember if a player takes 2 dogs and splits, in this sport he makes money..
The pigskin is just around the corner..
Very good information. Thank you.
I have always watched the industry for the last 10 years. I agree that it has matured enough to have the "wait and see" on a books struggling. The days of books saving books is almost over, soon are the days of corporate raiding and customer dbase purchases to be the talk. In the end the player wins....
Canuck23
I have always watched the industry for the last 10 years. I agree that it has matured enough to have the "wait and see" on a books struggling. The days of books saving books is almost over, soon are the days of corporate raiding and customer dbase purchases to be the talk. In the end the player wins....
Canuck23
people need to understand that football is the true barometer of whether or not a book is "struggling".......
if you can determine that the books Shrink listed had a poor football season.....add a poor basketball season, then his post has some merit.....
most books make enough money during foots.....that they can withstand a horrible basketball season (entire ncaa and nba)
if you can determine that the books Shrink listed had a poor football season.....add a poor basketball season, then his post has some merit.....
most books make enough money during foots.....that they can withstand a horrible basketball season (entire ncaa and nba)
Very good information. Thank you.
I have always watched the industry for the last 10 years. I agree that it has matured enough to have the "wait and see" on a books struggling. The days of books saving books is almost over, soon are the days of corporate raiding and customer dbase purchases to be the talk. In the end the payer wins....
Canuck23
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I have always watched the industry for the last 10 years. I agree that it has matured enough to have the "wait and see" on a books struggling. The days of books saving books is almost over, soon are the days of corporate raiding and customer dbase purchases to be the talk. In the end the payer wins....
Canuck23
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is sportstrivia.com an advertiser here in the rx??
If not, what the hell they are doing here schilling
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Baseball is a sport we spend catering to the customer..Its a tough time to make money..Remember if a player takes 2 dogs and splits, in this sport he makes money..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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is sportstrivia.com an advertiser here in the rx??
If not, what the hell they are doing here schilling
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Baseball is a sport we spend catering to the customer..Its a tough time to make money..Remember if a player takes 2 dogs and splits, in this sport he makes money..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Would you like large fries with your order, sir??
/Promotion Section
sportsbettingtrivia used to be an advertiser here.
I would think that their post would definitely be allowed given the nature of this post.
Hell EVERY book should log on here and make a comment
By the wa SHRINK, yesterday in one of your posts, you mention JOEBLOW sportsbook.com . I realize that this was just general book name, but it is a little too close to home for one named sportsbook. Not fair to have people think in the LEAST that they are having trouble
I would think that their post would definitely be allowed given the nature of this post.
Hell EVERY book should log on here and make a comment
By the wa SHRINK, yesterday in one of your posts, you mention JOEBLOW sportsbook.com . I realize that this was just general book name, but it is a little too close to home for one named sportsbook. Not fair to have people think in the LEAST that they are having trouble
