This isnt a question of wether or not the work ethic is there or anything else. My father and mother came to america with 1 baby. My father worked hard, in fact to this day when I meet someone who knew him this is the first thing they say about him. He was making 8 dollars an hr when he died but took every minute of OT he could get his hands on and saved up enough to have a home built for us in a better area of town. They bought every house they ever lived in and when he died he left my mother with 3 children to finish raising and 3 homes the one we lived in and 2 income properties. Now believe me when I tell you these income properties are not cash producers. In fact my mother would have sold them but she could only get 30k for the 2 houses combined (3 units). I have tried to get her to sell them and take what ever she can get but shes stubbourn (this is her biggest fault) everything has sentimental value to her. Also she lets my sister live in one house rent free. Since she was a stay at home mom she didnt enter the work force untill she was 42 and probably stopped around 50. She made minimum wage and worked the worst hours. Had she started earlier Im sure her story would be similar to Willie99. She has been a totally independent woman and a very good grandmother to my 5 nephews and nieces. No one has ever used the terms lazy or anything that resembles that term to describe her. She does not complain about things and does not believe she is owed anything, this is me complaining. I understand that there are other 64 yr old women in this world who have made it happen and have medical insurance, Im just not really 100% sure how she could have managed this. My whole point is, I know less about politics than anyone. This is why I didnt vote, id rather leave that up to the people who know the issues and policies. I do think I have a very good understanding of what is wrong and what is right and I believe deniying a 64 year old woman a doctors visit because she does not have insurance is WRONG.
This isnt a question of wether or not the work ethic is there or anything else. My father and mother came to america with 1 baby. My father worked hard, in fact to this day when I meet someone who knew him this is the first thing they say about him. He was making 8 dollars an hr when he died but took every minute of OT he could get his hands on and saved up enough to have a home built for us in a better area of town. They bought every house they ever lived in and when he died he left my mother with 3 children to finish raising and 3 homes the one we lived in and 2 income properties. Now believe me when I tell you these income properties are not cash producers. In fact my mother would have sold them but she could only get 30k for the 2 houses combined (3 units). I have tried to get her to sell them and take what ever she can get but shes stubbourn (this is her biggest fault) everything has sentimental value to her. Also she lets my sister live in one house rent free. Since she was a stay at home mom she didnt enter the work force untill she was 42 and probably stopped around 50. She made minimum wage and worked the worst hours. Had she started earlier Im sure her story would be similar to Willie99. She has been a totally independent woman and a very good grandmother to my 5 nephews and nieces. No one has ever used the terms lazy or anything that resembles that term to describe her. She does not complain about things and does not believe she is owed anything, this is me complaining. I understand that there are other 64 yr old women in this world who have made it happen and have medical insurance, Im just not really 100% sure how she could have managed this. My whole point is, I know less about politics than anyone. This is why I didnt vote, id rather leave that up to the people who know the issues and policies. I do think I have a very good understanding of what is wrong and what is right and I believe deniying a 64 year old woman a doctors visit because she does not have insurance is WRONG.
I live 80 miles away. When I saw her and she told me about her leg I told her she had to call and go see a doctor right away. She said she would. When I followed up with her she told me she called the Doctor but couldnt make an appointment because she didnt have insurance. that was today. She said she would wait until she was 65 (october). That is when I called my sister and she will be going to an urgent care specialist tomorrow.
WUTANG, don't get my wrong as I really do feel for your mother and her injury however her not having insurance is the direct result of decisions her and your family have made.
I don't believe denying anyone a doctor's visit that doesn't have insurance is wrong because you and I have to pay for each person that does that and that's not right in my opinion.
I grew up in a double wide WUTANG. I grew up with enough money for my mom to pay the bills, treat us to dinner on a Friday night and very little else. NO member of any of my family has a college degree except for me. The reason for that is because I wanted more for myself and my family. I wanted to succeed and pay my way through life. I wanted to make it on my own and not rely on others. My family now sits in a state they've never left while I've seen the world and experienced life.
I'm sorry to say it's about decisions people make. If I were a doctor, trust me, I'd help your mom.
I never implied that she wouldnt pay for the visit. What is a fair price for a doctors visit and a diagnosis? Im all for it and send me the bill. If there is something seriously wrong with her Ill take care of that as well. I dont think that she should be able to walk into a doctors office and recieve treatment for free when everyone else has to go to work every day to have a good job with benefits. She told me they would not allow her to make an appointment because she does not have insurance.
Tell your Mother to apply for Illegal alien status & then she can go to any emergency room for a hangnail or a stubbed toe & get right in in front of really sick natural born citizens & get the cost passed on to natural born Americans that have to pay for what they get + the freeloaders costs...Good luck & I sincerely hope she gets the treatment she needs at a price she can afford despite my truthful sarcasm.
First off, healthcare should not be denied to anyone here in the U.S. or anywhere in the world.
With that said, those of us that pay $500/month ($504 to be exact) in premiums for insurance provided by our employer, should have a say in the level of care 1) we receive, 2) in the care others receive thanks to us that are subsidizing the system. Granted, the $500 from my check each month covers me, my wife, and my daughter, but I work for a Fortune 500 company that scales your insurance premiums based on youe pay grade. That means that my colleagues making a percentage of what I make are paying less in insurance premiums monthly, yet have the ability to receive the same level of care. All this, yet my employer should have the clout to hold the insurance companies over a barrel by their balls to get better rates.
Bottom line, the system is f'cked up!
With that said, those of us that pay $500/month ($504 to be exact) in premiums for insurance provided by our employer, should have a say in the level of care 1) we receive, 2) in the care others receive thanks to us that are subsidizing the system. Granted, the $500 from my check each month covers me, my wife, and my daughter, but I work for a Fortune 500 company that scales your insurance premiums based on youe pay grade. That means that my colleagues making a percentage of what I make are paying less in insurance premiums monthly, yet have the ability to receive the same level of care. All this, yet my employer should have the clout to hold the insurance companies over a barrel by their balls to get better rates.
Bottom line, the system is f'cked up!
En Fuego, you make alot of good points. Trust me I will explore every avenue possible starting tomorrow after I find out how her visit at the doctors was. Im sorry for using this forum as an place to vent but its been a long time since my blood boiled like it did today. Imagine if my mother didnt have children. who would push her to go to the doctors tomorrow? Imagine if someone you knew and loved was denied a visit to a doctor and something happened without them ever telling you about there problem. My beef is really with this perticular doctors office i guess. But it is partially with our countries medical care system as well.
Now you have me thinking.
No, we should just take the 25 yr old boy push him off to the side of the road and wait for some state or city workers to haul him off like a dead deer.
Of course he should recieve medical care. Now, whether thats you or me or maybe he has a medical bill payment for the rest of his life that pays for it- I dont know. But yes every human being should have access to proper medical care. Because he has made some mistakes in life and doesnt have medical insurance at age 25 doesnt mean he should be left to die. Maybe these medical procedures are over priced. I dont know what the answer is but I do know that the government just spent billions to bail out banks and GM. Why should this boy have to suffer.
Should we watch him die instead?
What if it was a 15-year-old, a five-year-old or an 85-year-old?
If he is unconsious, should the EMTs wait until he wakes up to find out if he will be able to pay for treatment or not?
Lets say he goes to a hospital and asks how much treatment will cost to see if he can afford it, will they give him a quote same as if it were a broken carburetor?
I never ever said he should sit there on the side of the road but tell me who pays for him? Tell me why he's unemployed and has no insurance?
He should go to the hospital, get treatment, get a big damn bill and have to pay every single penny back. Then, if he goes bankrupt this loan should not be impacted by the bankruptcy (like student loans) so he has to pay every single dime back. There are no free rides in America.
That really doesn't answer the questions. In your dream world, there will be plenty of free rides
There are people too disabled to work (or simply too slow in the head)
Someone runs up such a high medical bill they feel like they could never pay it off, they simply drop out of the workforce and scrounge around for the rest of their life, living off unreported or untouchable income. That is already far too common among people who owe money. If I was taking home $2 for every hour I worked I would do the same thing, too
What happens when the patient is a child? As soon as they enter the work force, the first 10 years of income goes straight to the doctors? Even that would lead to plenty of free rides for cases where the illness or injury is terminal
How about someone retired who no longer has any income? Is there an insurance company that will take on a frail 90-year-old in failing health? If a hospital depletes their entire bank account and they still owe money, then what? Starve to death or freeze to death? Either way, it was still a partially free ride on the health care system
I guess we could say that all business have these things built into their costs, sort of like how stores have to charge higher prices to make up for shoplifting
But in a country that supposedly values personal freedom and personal responsibility, we do not give patients the power to do so. If I show up at the ER with a fracture and tell them I only want $1 000 worth of treatment, will the hospital see to it that I get appropriate service for what I am willing to pay? Virtually any other service provider will do so, why not medical services? Until they that, we cannot ask, nor expect patient to simply write a check to cover the costs. That is my biggest issue. We already punish the uninsured enough. If we ask them to pay out of pocket, they should only have to pay what the free-market would dictate. But there is no free market when it comes to American health care. So some of them luck into a free ride. A few are crippled financially. The rest are left with nothing at all
