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If all citizens are due protection from terrorist and other hostile outlaws and if we are all to receive govt funded roads on which to travel why would affordable health care not be a right?

The cost have spun out of control and an individual who is stricken with health problems is looking at bankruptcy.

Astute observation.

Our tax dollars - for better or worse - are allocated in the hundreds of billions annually to supposedly protect us from foreign terrorists and invaders.

But some of the same people with no complaint about that allocation seem to reluctant to consider allocating similar dollars towards reducing unneeded pain, communicable diseases and debilitating illnesses that each have a dramatic negative impact on the domestic community at large.
 

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I would argue the real problem is not health care.

It is ignorance, lack of personal responsibility, and prevention.

Insurance studies indicate nearly 80% of all U.S health care costs are for cardiac events, cancer, diabetes and obesity.

The great majority of these problems are easily preventable with the proper life style and nutrition.

"Health care" has actually become disease repair and symptom management.

It's bassackwards...the first thing a healthcare system or provider should be doing is preventing it in the first place.
 

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Increased accurate education, increased personal responsibility and smarter behavior choices to reduce illness and other infirmity all make good sense.
 

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I would argue the real problem is not health care.

It is ignorance, lack of personal responsibility, and prevention.

Insurance studies indicate nearly 80% of all U.S health care costs are for cardiac events, cancer, diabetes and obesity.

The great majority of these problems are easily preventable with the proper life style and nutrition.

"Health care" has actually become disease repair and symptom management.

It's bassackwards...the first thing a healthcare system or provider should be doing is preventing it in the first place.

This was the exact point I made about 3 pages ago. People can't push away from the dinner table and get all of these diseases related to being a disgusting fat body and then the taxpayer is expected to foot the bill. That's the root of the problem.
 

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Referring back to the post by BFLife where he digresses to make mention of those who complain about some forms of medical services - via taxpayer support - being made available to illegal residents, I'll insert that I personally have little complaint there either, especially in the case of providing general care to intervene on communicable diseases or viral sickness.

Yes, but there's a big difference between your statement above and....

"I have no complaint with all illegal aliens getting free care"...which is what my friends on the far left are not saying and would not say (even had one look at some of your comments and he said we're both agreeing and getting into semantics). There will always be exceptions and that takes place with our current system also. And I'm please that this administration is looking at a form of compromise (a word that is near and dear to my heart).
 

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Alcohol, sorry!

No..you Quoted correctly

The cited post from me had a poor choice of wording from me, which I edited in the original. So I then edited the Quote as well.
 

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BFL, I'm likely confused more by the slotting of "far left" et al

If we're referring to social progressives who are for the most part Democrats or perhaps "non-Republicans/non-Libertarians", then my experience is that folks in this group are for the most part supportive of not denying medical services to illegal residents provided it falls under emergency care or services that intervene on communicable or infectious diseases.
 

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BFL, I'm likely confused more by the slotting of "far left" et al

If we're referring to social progressives who are for the most part Democrats or perhaps "non-Republicans/non-Libertarians", then my experience is that folks in this group are for the most part supportive of not denying medical services to illegal residents provided it falls under emergency care or services that intervene on communicable or infectious diseases.

And therefore we're saying the same thing as my buddy said. Barman, however you want to categorize them, most people in San Francisco are completely aligned with your viewpoint. As one of my friends said to me a couple of weeks ago, "right now, there's this if you're not completely for us, then you're against us mentality with most Democrats. People even want to argue on whether they agree or not" I'm actually a registered Democrat but vote independently. But I can see his point. Whether you want to agree with me or not, we are in agreement (what a wacky comment to make) ;-)
 

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If all citizens are due protection from terrorist and other hostile outlaws and if we are all to receive govt funded roads on which to travel why would affordable health care not be a right?

The cost have spun out of control and an individual who is stricken with health problems is looking at bankruptcy.

Take that up with those silly little men that wrote the Constitution. You see, while they made it abundantly clear with several references to the fact that federal government has responsibility to defend this country, and they also said building roads is the responsibility of federal government, they never ever anywhere said anything about supporting a welfare system. They did however, say any power not expressly given to the federal government remains with the states.

To sum it up

national defense, yes
roads, yes
health care, no

however, as always, you do have "the right to pursue happiness".
 

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And therefore we're saying the same thing as my buddy said. Barman, however you want to categorize them, most people in San Francisco are completely aligned with your viewpoint. As one of my friends said to me a couple of weeks ago, "right now, there's this if you're not completely for us, then you're against us mentality with most Democrats. People even want to argue on whether they agree or not" I'm actually a registered Democrat but vote independently. But I can see his point. Whether you want to agree with me or not, we are in agreement (what a wacky comment to make) ;-)

I'm likely in agreement with upwards of 80% or more of most Democratic platforms (federal/Florida).

As a 25 years (wow..time flies) independent business operator I'm likely a bit less cynical or grumpy then many on the "left" with regard to how private businesses - especially larger companies - operate and their relationships with their employees.

I have a lot of respect for how much it costs the majority of traditional businesses to operate and to keep the doors open and don't usually lend my voice to group comment/chat which complains about this or that shortcoming in an average employee life.

I think far too many people from all walks of life are just seemingly oblivious to the urgent need to make one's self more valuable to the marketplace at large and also more versatile.

It's agonizing to watch so many people our age (49) and younger who are experiencing job loss and/or displacement and they are almost crippled by their lack of preparation to check out new options outside their most current job role.

Often these folks complain about the "low paying" options available as if it's the fault of American business that they themselves are unable to create more viable income. To that end, I remain an active proponent of ongoing education. If you're an employee, regardless of how good or how secure your current job is, you're best served to act as if you will be unemployed in the next 12 months and begin today to learn new skills so that you have options.

If your current good job holds up, then a year from now, you'll be that much better off anyway.

Swinging back to thread topic.....For those concerned about losing copay health insurance and/or steady income stream it's even more urgent to make yourself more valuable and diversified.

And oh yeah, make smarter decisions in your lifestyle (hat tip to Enfuego) because you owe it not only to the community, but you owe it to yourself to not deliberately increase your chances for unwanted infirmities.
 

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No..you Quoted correctly

The cited post from me had a poor choice of wording from me, which I edited in the original. So I then edited the Quote as well.
I just meant there was no reason for the correction on my part.
 

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