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markets rallying and happy about the fed minutes looks like.....they basically said we got your back wall street and sounds ready to make another cut if need be.....

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Fed Minutes: Rate Cut in Sept. "Prudent"
Tuesday October 9, 2:10 pm ET
By Jeannine Aversa, AP Economics Writer
Fed Policymakers Sliced Rates to Stem Ill Effects of Credit Crunch, Housing Slump on Economy

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Worried that a jarring credit crunch would stifle the economy, Federal Reserve policymakers at their September meeting felt compelled to act aggressively in lowering a key interest rate for the first time in over four years.


Fed policymakers unanimously agreed to slash interest rates by one-half percentage point to 4.75 percent, calling it "the most prudent course of action," according to minutes of the Sept. 18 meeting released Tuesday.

The minutes underscored just how concerned Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke and his central bank colleagues were that the credit crisis and the worst housing slump in 16 years could undermine the country's economic health. The minutes offered fresh insights into the September meeting, where Bernanke was faced with one of his most important decisions since taking office in February of last year.

"Given the unusual nature of the current financial shock, participants regarded the outlook for economic activity as characterized by particularly high uncertainty, with the risks to growth skewed to the downside," according to the minutes.

Some participants expressed concern that a weaker economy could worsen the credit crunch, which, in turn, could "reinforce the economic slowdown." At the same time, participants pointed out that in previous episodes of financial market disruptions, the economy showed some resilience when the country was suffering through a period of financial turbulence.

"Although financial markets were expected to stabilize over time, participants judged that credit markets were likely to restrain economic growth in the period ahead," the minutes said.

Lowering its main interest rate, called the federal funds rate, "was appropriate to help offset the effects of tighter financial conditions on the economic outlook," the minutes stated. The funds rate, the interest banks charge each other on overnight loans, affects a wide range of interest rates charged to millions of consumers and businesses. That's why it is the Fed's main tool for influencing national economic activity.

If the Fed did not lower rates, Fed policymakers "saw a risk that tightening credit conditions and an intensifying housing correction would lead to significant broader weakness" in the economy as well as in national employment conditions, according to the minutes.

Fed policymakers also believed that the rate cut "should not interfere" with lenders and other investors making the painful adjustments that they need to get their financial houses in order, the minutes said.

With economic growth likely to run at a sub-par pace for a while and incoming inflation data on the "favorable side," the lowering of rates "seemed unlikely to affect adversely the outlook for inflation," the minutes said.

The credit crunch was likely to deepen the housing slump, raised the possibility of dampening consumer spending and could weigh on business investment in the months ahead, the minutes said. Spending by consumers and businesses are crucial ingredients keep the economic expansion going.

Policymakers didn't think that the job market had deteriorated as much as a government report at the time suggested. Nonetheless, they believed that "some further slowing of employment growth was likely."

The government originally reported that the economy lost 4,000 jobs in August -- the first such decline in four years. At the time, that news sent Wall Street in a nosedive, intensified fears that the economy was heading toward recession and was seen as cementing a case for the Fed to lower rates at its September meeting.

Last week, however, the government released revised figures -- based on more complete data -- showing that employers actually added 89,000 jobs during that month.

Job-creation picked up in September, with employers boosting payrolls by 110,000. Workers' wages also grew solidly, the government reported last week. That news eased fears the economy would slide into a recession and cast doubt on whether the Fed would lower rates again at its next scheduled meeting, Oct. 30-31.

The minutes also said that Fed policymakers discussed "additional policy options to address strains in money markets." No decisions were made and no details were provided. Policymakers also at the September meeting resumed a discussion on ways to improve their communications with Wall Street and Main Street. No decisions were made on that front, either.

Also contained in Tuesday's Fed document, was information about two Fed conference calls that occurred after its Aug. 7 meeting as credit conditions worsened..

The first conference call came on Aug. 10, a day when the Fed publicly pledged to do all it could to prevent the credit crisis from hurting the economy. The Fed pumped billions of dollars into the U.S. financial system to help financial companies get over the credit hump.

The second conference call came on Aug. 16, with Fed policymakers discussing other ways to bring relief to the credit situation. The talk focused on changes associated with lending through its discount window to banks. During that discussion, policymakers believed a reduction to the federal funds rate was "not yet warranted."

On Aug. 17, the Fed slashed its lending rate to banks and offered a more grim assessment of economic conditions. This bank lending rate was cut again at the Fed's meeting in September.
 

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Gonna plop some back into the foreign equites/growth funds I reckon. Looks like they stemmed the tide for a while.
 

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Tiz it was obvious all along this was the route the fed was going to take.You sound like the minutes were an eye opener for you.

Cuss....SOHU (china):toast:
 

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You still buying lotsa US stocks Basey?

Party time ahead?
 

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Basey's line on Sohu, which I bought at opening this morning....

Up 3.19 per share for a 7.78% gain so far, just today. Outstanding. :103631605

Too bad your NFL picks aren't this good :tongue2:
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
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Basey's line on Sohu, which I bought at opening this morning....

Up 3.19 per share for a 7.78% gain so far, just today. Outstanding. :103631605

Too bad your NFL picks aren't this good :tongue2:

you guys are nuts, starting to see alot of bears capitulating, and people buying crap like this at upsurd prices.....we shall see
 

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Just a little history lesson....october 19th approaching...the pre crash environment sound familiar at all? me thinks so....well other than the fed has acted pre-emptively in the face of inflation and already cut rates......

keeping partying bulls why worry....yawn....

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The stock market crash of 1987 was the largest one day stock market crash in history. The Dow lost 22.6% of its value or $500 billion dollars on October 19 th 1987! In order to understand the crash, we must first study the cause.

1986 and 1987 were banner years for the stock market. These years were an extension of an extremely powerful bull market that started in the summer of 1982. This bull market had been fueled by hostile takeovers, leveraged buyouts and merger mania. Companies were scrambling to raise capital to buy each other out, in essence. The philosophy of the time was that companies would grow exponentially simply by constantly purchasing other companies. In leveraged buyouts, a company would raise massive amounts of capital by selling junk bonds to the public. Junk bonds are simply bonds that have a high risk of loss, so they pay a high interest rate. The money raised by selling junk bonds, would go towards the purchase of the desired company. IPOs were also becoming a commonplace driver of the markets. An IPO is when a company issues stock for the first time. “Microcomputers” were also a top growth industry. People started to view the personal computer as a revolutionary tool that will change our way of life, and create wonderful profit opportunities. The investing public was caught up in a contagious euphoria, similar to that of any other bubble and market crash in history. This euphoria made people, once again, believe that the market would always go up.

Despite the strong economic growth, SEC was unable to prevent shady IPOs and conglomerates from proliferating. In early 1987, the SEC conducted numerous investigations of illegal insider trading. This created a wary stance from many investors at this point. Also, due to the extremely strong economic growth, inflation was now becoming a concern. The Fed rapidly raised short term interest rates to temper inflation. This, unfortunately, had an effect of hurting stocks as well. Many institutional trading firms started utilizing portfolio insurance to protect against further stock dips. Portfolio insurance is a practice that uses futures contracts as an insurance policy. People that hold the futures contracts can make money as the market crashes, offsetting the losses in the stock holdings. After interest rates had risen, many of the large institutional firms started using portfolio insurance all at the same time. The futures market was taking in billions of dollars within minutes, causing the futures market and the stock market to crash from instability. Additionally, common stock holders all wanted to sell simultaneously. The market couldn’t handle so many orders at once and most people couldn’t sell because there weren’t ANY buyers left!

Within one day, 500 billion dollars was evaporated from the Dow Jones index. Markets in every country around the world collapsed in the same fashion. When individual investors heard that a massive stock market crash was in effect, they scrambled to call their brokers. This was unsuccessful because each broker had many clients. Many people lost millions instantly. Some unstable individuals, who had lost fortunes, went to their broker’s office and started shooting. Several brokers were killed, despite the fact that they had no control over the market action. The majority of investors who were selling, didn’t even know why they were selling, except that they “saw everyone else selling”. This irrational mentality caused the extreme market crash. Most futures and stock exchanges were shut down for the day.

Around this time, the Fed started to intervene. Short term interest rates were instantly lowered to prevent a depression and a banking crisis. Remarkably, the markets recovered quickly from the worst one day stock market crash. Unlike the stock market crash of 1929, the market quickly started on a bull run, once again. This was powered by companies buying back their stocks that were undervalued after the severe crash. Additionally, the Japanese Nikkei index was embarking on its own massive bull market. This tremendous momentum helped pull the US stock markets to new heights never seen before. Some benefits came as a result of the 1987 stock market crash. For example, the circuit breakers system was implemented, which electronically stops stocks from trading if they plummet too quickly. This will prevent any future one day vertical drops, like 1987.

Once again, the remarkable similarity between all of the market crashes is striking. It seems that after all of the historical market crashes, people would learn to foresee a coming financial disaster. This rarely happens, of course, which is why there is constant opportunity for the smart money to prosper from the irrationality of other people.
 

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tiznow, do you seriously invest in the market? Or still living at home with Mommy and Daddy? I take it you're shorting everything you can get your hands on anticipating another Oct. crash? Or are you just parroting the economic wisdom of, uhh, a mad doctor?
 

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Basey's line on Sohu, which I bought at opening this morning....

Up 3.19 per share for a 7.78% gain so far, just today. Outstanding. :103631605

Too bad your NFL picks aren't this good :tongue2:

I agree.

Hang on to this one Cuss. A little profit taking with a another big boost but I like it long.Theyve got the official Olympics Site and to be honest just a little more upside than SINA which is also a decent play.

crap? lol. Probably said the same thing about GOOG....lol


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the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
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tiznow, do you seriously invest in the market? Or still living at home with Mommy and Daddy? I take it you're shorting everything you can get your hands on anticipating another Oct. crash? Or are you just parroting the economic wisdom of, uhh, a mad doctor?

i was long gold and gold miners for years, just hold physical gold now on that side of things, been short homebuilders for quite a while discussed in the past those have been doing well as markets continue to sky, have a few longs very conservative long term holds....and getting more and more aggressive on the short side with some of the froth as time rolls on...diversification is key

and no i'm not at home with mommy and daddy currently working on my Ph D in chemical engineering
 

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Cuss, with inflation being as bad as it is, about 389% by now, that three dollars per share you made today is really worthless, as your purchasing power is still decreasing because the Jews sunk the Titanic.

Fucking sheeple, wake up

:lol:
 

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That little dollar rally lasted all of three days. Right back towards the lows again. They can try and try, but it has nothing behind it anymore...And look it starts the slide and the market starts going up like clockwork. All coincidence of course.
 

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Yeah, if the maket has a bad day, it's obviously the start of a recession.

And the dollar will rally, not because our government wants it to, but because every other economic power in the worls wants it to.
 

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That little dollar rally lasted all of three days. Right back towards the lows again. They can try and try, but it has nothing behind it anymore...And look it starts the slide and the market starts going up like clockwork. All coincidence of course.

does seem like a trend, earning should be good for the dow group as most of them are international and will get a good lift from income outside US.

Where are the gold bugs today......gold trying to hold that important $750
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
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quite a reversal on the markets today.....the volume that went through when that hard spike down came was huge.....and yes gold near 750.....foreclosure filings nearly double....retailers reporting slow september sales and several cutting earnings forcasts.....yawn.....more rate cuts and inflation coming....
 

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