Although I agree with Enfuego that you are being a bit harsh about this ( But I do think suicide is a selfish act by nature), I have complained many times about him throwing in pointless insults while making his case. Drives me nuts. It adds nothing to the argument except piss people off.
Many reasons. As one poster touched on she lived a full life. 2, she had been out of the limelight for some time, her name is still iconic but the people who would remember her as a star are either passed or very old themselves. 3, Robin Williams wasn't just a current star but for the age group that is largely computer literate, social media savvy, prime viewing age, RW was part of their lives growing up, for many of us it takes us back to part of our childhood...I watched Mork and mindy episodes growing up, as a kid thought Miss Doubtfire was hillarious, must've seen Aladdin 100 times between all the times I put it on for my little cousins not to mention I enjoyed it and that's not even touching on the brilliant work he did later in life. When you can relate to somebody in that way you're closer to it. 4, The way he left, you can call it chickening out or whatever you'd like and we can disagree about that which I do,but it was unexpected and it leaves people wondering why and searching for reasons and answers. Whether the reasons and answers should be ours to search for is another discussion but people want them nonetheless. 5, he's one of the rare few people who made the world a little better by being on it, outside of how he left you'd be hardpressed to find a negative word about him anywhere, that is something that should be celebrated. If your biggest complaint is that it's on the evening news, change the channel, im sure there are other things you could be watching, that is your right as it is another persons right to watch.
I always get a kick out of posts where people finally "see the light" when it comes to JC and his fraud of a life. He will not answer the insurance questions even though he was basically the Wolf on Wall Street, pro gambler, basically lives the life we all want. Now all of a sudden he's married and looking to adopt his 2nd child which all happened in like 3 months. Sure...But bigten your post did make me laugh out loud. Good stuff
I do agree that suicide CAN be a selfish act. Of course it's not easy and there are many factors to consider like external pressures and the life they have lived. But it's been said many times about how much a suicide affects everyone around you for the rest of their lives. So in that regards I can see the side of the coin where people say it's a selfish act.
No it's not easy and I can't imagine having a life so bad you actually want to take it. I had a friend in high school who I didn't stay in touch with after graduation and about 10 years ago he killed himself. I thought he had a good life and have no clue why he did it. But there must be more to it as I can't fathom how one could do that (to himself or to the ones around you that love you).
Sad situation for everyone.
I think you're a great guy Go Blue and a valuable poster to the RX.
However you are incorrect about the children thing. I have never once said I have children. I have two dogs though who sometimes seem like children. Currently looking for a third dog to adopt but waiting until I get a house rather than an apartment so they can have a yard. Also, who would lie about being married? No reason whatsoever to do that. I think if you were trying to impress people you would brag about the countless women you sleep with as a single guy. Nothing very exciting about making a story up that you are married.
No worries though and I hold ZERO hard feelings towards you my man.
cheers
From the other side, a sibling who's father committed suicide
"Yes, I experienced a range of emotions before making peace with the loss. But one thought that never ever (not even for one second) crossed my mind was this ill-informed opinion that suicide is selfish. Suicide is a lot of things, but selfish isn't one of them.
Suicide is a decision made out of desperation, hopelessness, isolation and loneliness. The black hole that is clinical depression is all-consuming. Feeling like a burden to loved ones, feeling like there is no way out, feeling trapped and feeling isolated are all common among people who suffer from depression.
"People who say that suicide is selfish always reference the survivors. It's selfish to leave children, spouses and other family members behind, so they say. They're not thinking about the survivors, or so they would have us believe. What they don't know is that those very loved ones are the reason many people hang on for just one more day. They do think about the survivors, probably up until the very last moment in many cases. But the soul-crushing depression that envelops them leaves them feeling like there is no alternative. Like the only way to get out is to opt out. And that is a devastating thought to endure."
"Yes, I experienced a range of emotions before making peace with the loss. But one thought that never ever (not even for one second) crossed my mind was this ill-informed opinion that suicide is selfish. Suicide is a lot of things, but selfish isn't one of them.
Suicide is a decision made out of desperation, hopelessness, isolation and loneliness. The black hole that is clinical depression is all-consuming. Feeling like a burden to loved ones, feeling like there is no way out, feeling trapped and feeling isolated are all common among people who suffer from depression.
"People who say that suicide is selfish always reference the survivors. It's selfish to leave children, spouses and other family members behind, so they say. They're not thinking about the survivors, or so they would have us believe. What they don't know is that those very loved ones are the reason many people hang on for just one more day. They do think about the survivors, probably up until the very last moment in many cases. But the soul-crushing depression that envelops them leaves them feeling like there is no alternative. Like the only way to get out is to opt out. And that is a devastating thought to endure."
[h=1]Robin Williams Had Parkinson’s Disease, His Widow Says[/h]
LOS ANGELES — Robin Williams was suffering from the early stages of Parkinson’s disease, his widow, Susan Schneider, said in a statement on Thursday. His suicide had provoked widespread speculation about his career, finances and mental condition.
“Robin’s sobriety was intact and he was brave as he struggled with his own battles of depression, anxiety as well as early stages of Parkinson’s disease, which he was not yet ready to share publicly,” Ms. Schneider said.
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2...se-his-widow-says/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
LOS ANGELES — Robin Williams was suffering from the early stages of Parkinson’s disease, his widow, Susan Schneider, said in a statement on Thursday. His suicide had provoked widespread speculation about his career, finances and mental condition.
“Robin’s sobriety was intact and he was brave as he struggled with his own battles of depression, anxiety as well as early stages of Parkinson’s disease, which he was not yet ready to share publicly,” Ms. Schneider said.
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2...se-his-widow-says/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
Radio host Rush Limbaugh came under fire for comments on his radio show Tuesday in which he connected Williams' death to liberalism.
"They're always angry about something," Limbaugh said. "No matter what they get, they're always angry."
Williams "had it all but he had nothing. Made everybody else laugh but was miserable inside," Limbaugh continued. "I mean, it fits a certain picture or a certain image that the left has. Talk about low expectations and general unhappiness and so forth."
Limbaugh cited a Fox News report that the 63-year-old had grappled with "survivor's guilt" by outliving friends Christopher Reeve, John Belushi and Andy Kaufman.
"He could never get over the guilt that they died and he didn't," Limbaugh said. "Well, that is a constant measurement that is made by political leftists when judging the country."
"They're always angry about something," Limbaugh said. "No matter what they get, they're always angry."
Williams "had it all but he had nothing. Made everybody else laugh but was miserable inside," Limbaugh continued. "I mean, it fits a certain picture or a certain image that the left has. Talk about low expectations and general unhappiness and so forth."
Limbaugh cited a Fox News report that the 63-year-old had grappled with "survivor's guilt" by outliving friends Christopher Reeve, John Belushi and Andy Kaufman.
"He could never get over the guilt that they died and he didn't," Limbaugh said. "Well, that is a constant measurement that is made by political leftists when judging the country."
He left behind 3 children age 31, 25, 22. They will suffer from this the rest of their lives. From his youngest child...
"He was always warm, even in his darkest moments," she said. "While I'll never, ever understand how he could be loved so deeply and not find it in his heart to stay, there's minor comfort in knowing our grief and loss, in some small way, is shared with millions. It doesn't help the pain, but at least it's a burden countless others now know we carry," she said."
Just a pure selfish act to do to your children and family.
"He was always warm, even in his darkest moments," she said. "While I'll never, ever understand how he could be loved so deeply and not find it in his heart to stay, there's minor comfort in knowing our grief and loss, in some small way, is shared with millions. It doesn't help the pain, but at least it's a burden countless others now know we carry," she said."
Just a pure selfish act to do to your children and family.
True you never said you had kids except for the time you said you had a kid...
http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=991413
I can't speak for anyone else, but I in no way diminish the seriousness of mental illness or the sadness that someone would ever think taking their own life is a viable option. As many others here, I have had people close to me fight depression, addiction, and many different forms of mental illness. I have even had a close family friend resort to suicide as I mentioned earlier in this thread.
Please understand my position as it is very clear. I believe suicide is by its nature a selfish act. My belief in that stems from how suicide destroys the lives of those that are left behind. I have seen this first hand. Because I believe that does not mean I feel no empathy towards those who commit the tragic act. I harbor no ill will for you calling me a "fucking nitwit" or whatever else because I understand these sensitive matters can bring out many emotions if people don't see eye to eye.
