I pretty much agree with everything - but also remember - when you say they should have just called the police - they did - and the father is a 30 year veteran of this police department who is retired - he is basically the police - and he knows Aubery well - he arrested Aubery and help prosecute him in the past - police aren't naïve like most of us are - we get our info from the news - the police get there info from the real life situations - from the streets - we were shown this pic from 8 years ago where Aubery looks like a West Point Cadet and told how sweet he was and an exercise fanatic to boot - the police and prosecutor personally know Aubery in real life and their opinion is ever so slightly different
Like I said the father and Aubrey had history...I understand where you are coming from with that.
I will ask you though...Why would the father allow his son who was not or ever been law enforcement get in the position to chase a guy down with a loaded weapons?...The father's law enforcement experience clearly did not kick in with that decision.
Seems to me if the father was smart he would have never EVER allowed his son who again was not law enforcement to get involved in the situation.
To be honest the father RUINED the sons life by letting him get involved.
Like I said all three parties made terrible choices that have impacted their lives negatively forever.
I don't get fooled...
What I learned from that video is the history in detail between the father and Aubrey...that's it.
The rest of the video is like you said right wing whacko shit...trying to blame it all on Aubrey...
Like I said ALL three parties are 100% at fault for the situation...they all three made choices that had consequences.
Aubrey should have never walked into the house...period...he was in no way connected to the property and had no business there...That was 100% his choice and his mistake...the consequences from that are all on him...If he never walked into that house that day he would still be alive...
The son made the mistake of chasing down Aubrey with a loaded weapon...It was not his property and he could have just called police and been done with it...He wanted to be a hero and now he is going to pay the price for his choice in prison...
The father made the decision to allow his son to go along with him with loaded weapons to chase someone for something that did not involve him at all...should have called the police and been done with it...or since others want to say he was retired law enforcement he could have told his son to stay home and followed Aubrey himself and not involved his son...He didn't and by making this poor choice he has ruined both Aubrey and his sons life forever...
1) the McMichael's are probably not the sharpest knives in the drawer
2) when things get chaotic the thought process diminshes
This thing is not going to end the way Al Sharpton wants it too - haven't been any riots that I can recall under Trump - mostly law and order - Donnie might have to eventually have a sit down and get a beer with the Aubery family and the McMichaels
The problem is no one has yet to point out the legal argument of why they are guilty. Almost everyone agrees it is kind of dumb to go after someone and question them and hold them for the police without immediate physical violence having happened and that is why you do it. None the less considering the history of the situation and the legality of making a citizens arrest or going to try and talk to the guy......it does make sense in protecting the neighborhood ....and it is all legal. Are they going to convict them of a new law? Guilty of a bad decision. Is it even a bad decision when it is legal? That just makes it a bad law. Idiot Mob can claim if you don't agree they are guilty you are racist, but cannot point to any laws here
Look I am not going to get into specific laws etc...The criminal justice system has done that and it will take its course...We can talk about that when the trials start...But someone much smarter and knowledgeable than you or I believes laws were broken and all the proof you need is the fact they were charged...period.
Bad decisions have consequences and yes they will be convicted for making bad decisions.
Your statement "Is it even a bad decision when it is legal?" Is laughable honestly.... Yes of course there are still bad decisions even when something is legal...It is perfectly legal to dive head first into a lake...but what if you dive and hit head first on a rock and become paralyzed...It was legal but was it a bad decision to dive head first?
I think you understand where I was going with laws...but anyway
Not true at all. It was the pressure from people who claimed this was a racist lynching that got people looking into it. I believe they felt they had to charge them. And that is fine. But lets not act like some legal geniuses gathered to make that decision.
But convicted for bad choices is fucking stupid. Good luck going forward with that argument where you can throw anyone away with that argument. But I do agree I cannot make the 100% decision without hearing why they were either convicted or acquitted and why the opposing side disagrees
I believe there are two points that the DA would/could point to for the charges. One, were they legally attempting to make a citizens arrest? I believe GA law states you must witness the felony in question or have intimate/probable knowledge that the individual committed a felony. Obviously, they didn’t witness anything, so the point of contention would be the latter. I asked a few colleagues who are lawyers about this and they felt it was pretty flimsy on the intimate/probable knowledge of a felony front, since thinking someone might fit the description of a suspected felon wouldn’t provide justification or prove intimate/probable knowledge of anything. I will caveat, they are not criminal attorney’s and aren’t based in Georgia.
Second, even if it’s deemed a legal citizens arrest was in progress, once the son got out of the car with a lethal weapon he would have violated that practice. They would have been within their rights to follow and question, even armed under state open carry laws. They did notify the police of the situation and provided their location, which I believe is a requirement. However, leaving the car to confront an individual with a lethal weapon changes the dynamic of the situation as violence or the threat of violence can only be used if you believe your life or someone else life is in jeopardy, this gets even more difficult to argue if the individual was unarmed.
If either of these points fall through these guys are fucked, but that’ll be up to a jury to decide, so anything is possible.
hno:
James Byrd Jr. (May 2, 1949 – June 7, 1998) was an African-American man who was murdered by three white supremacists in Jasper, Texas, on June 7, 1998. Shawn Berry, Lawrence Brewer, and John King dragged Byrd for three miles behind a pickup truck along an asphalt road. Byrd, who remained alive throughout most of his ordeal, was killed about halfway through the dragging when his body hit the edge of a culvert, severing his right arm and head. The murderers drove on for another 1 [SUP]1[/SUP]⁄[SUB]2[/SUB] miles (2.4 km) before dumping Byrd's torso in front of a black cemetery in Jasper.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP]
The perpetrators of this crime were the first white men to be sentenced to death for killing a black person in modern Texas history.[SUP][3][/SUP]
Byrd's lynching-by-dragging gave impetus to passage of a Texas hate crimes law, which later led to passage by Congress of the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, commonly known as the Matthew Shepard Act, in 2009.[SUP][4][/SUP] Brewer was executed by lethal injection for his involvement in this crime by the state of Texas on September 21, 2011.[SUP][5][/SUP] King was executed by lethal injection at the state penitentiary in Huntsville, Texas, on April 24, 2019.[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP] Berry was sentenced to life imprisonment and will be eligible for parole in 2038.[SUP][10][/SUP]
That was just a horrific MURDER - a lynching is where the black guy did something - allegedly a crime - or even trying to fuck the white woman who is married - the crowd rounds him up - and hangs him from a tree for the crowd to watch for whatever bullshit crime they perceived he is guilty - that is a lynching
As I said - there is no lynching of record in our lifetimes
Many murders are bad. Many crimes are bad. Anyone remember this?
Channon Christian and Chris Newsom
Christian and Newsom were leaving an apartment together on the evening of January 6, 2007, to go to a friend's party, when they were abducted with her car from the apartment complex parking lot. Anxious from not hearing from their daughter, Christian's parents sought help from her mobile phone provider. They found her abandoned Toyota 4Runner on Monday, January 8. Police recovered an envelope from the vehicle that yielded fingerprint evidence leading them to LeMaricus Davidson of 2316 Chipman Street, an address two blocks from Christian's car. When police went to the address on Tuesday, January 9, they found the house unoccupied and Christian's body in a trash can in the kitchen.
Newsom's body was discovered near a set of nearby railroad tracks.[SUP][7][/SUP] He had been bound, blindfolded, gagged, and stripped naked from the waist down. He had been shot in the back of the head, neck, and back, and his body had been set on fire. According to the testimony of the Knox County Acting Medical Examiner at the trial of Eric Boyd, Newsom was sodomized with an object and raped by a person. Police believe these actions took place at the house and his body was later wrapped and abandoned.
The medical examiner said that Christian died after hours of torture, sustaining traumatic brain injuries and suffering injuries to her vagina, anus, and mouth due to repeated sexual assault. Before killing her, in an effort to remove DNA evidence, her attackers poured bleach down her throat and scrubbed her body with it. She was bound with curtains and strips of bedding, with her face covered with a trash bag and her body stashed in five large trash bags. These were placed inside a residential waste disposal unit and covered with sheets and garbage from Wendy's. The medical examiner said there was evidence that Christian slowly suffocated to death
Channon Christian and Chris Newsom
Christian and Newsom were leaving an apartment together on the evening of January 6, 2007, to go to a friend's party, when they were abducted with her car from the apartment complex parking lot. Anxious from not hearing from their daughter, Christian's parents sought help from her mobile phone provider. They found her abandoned Toyota 4Runner on Monday, January 8. Police recovered an envelope from the vehicle that yielded fingerprint evidence leading them to LeMaricus Davidson of 2316 Chipman Street, an address two blocks from Christian's car. When police went to the address on Tuesday, January 9, they found the house unoccupied and Christian's body in a trash can in the kitchen.
Newsom's body was discovered near a set of nearby railroad tracks.[SUP][7][/SUP] He had been bound, blindfolded, gagged, and stripped naked from the waist down. He had been shot in the back of the head, neck, and back, and his body had been set on fire. According to the testimony of the Knox County Acting Medical Examiner at the trial of Eric Boyd, Newsom was sodomized with an object and raped by a person. Police believe these actions took place at the house and his body was later wrapped and abandoned.
The medical examiner said that Christian died after hours of torture, sustaining traumatic brain injuries and suffering injuries to her vagina, anus, and mouth due to repeated sexual assault. Before killing her, in an effort to remove DNA evidence, her attackers poured bleach down her throat and scrubbed her body with it. She was bound with curtains and strips of bedding, with her face covered with a trash bag and her body stashed in five large trash bags. These were placed inside a residential waste disposal unit and covered with sheets and garbage from Wendy's. The medical examiner said there was evidence that Christian slowly suffocated to death
