Agreed. Face it. Most of the people that play the game suck at it, and make wrong plays all the time. But they have a right to play their cards the way they want to. It's not like "the table is a team, and have to work together against the dealer," like some morons say. Their wrong plays help just as much as they hurt, and are a part of the game. Blaming them for your losses is like blaming the person that cut the cards.
amen illini, now try telling that to Key and Baseballguy.
I still can't believe that people actually blame a player when they lose.. How about when they win (which is 50% of the time). Of course we all get mad when a player costs them a big hand, its only normal. I do it too. But to say a dumb player is costing you on how he plays is idiotic..
I still can't believe that people actually blame a player when they lose.. How about when they win (which is 50% of the time). Of course we all get mad when a player costs them a big hand, its only normal. I do it too. But to say a dumb player is costing you on how he plays is idiotic..
Dealers are no pros either, but most of them in Vegas will give the correct option, if a player asks them. I was playing one time, although not in Vegas, and this chick next to me asked if she should split her 4's. I said yes, that is the correct play. This was a 6 deck shoe with doubling after splitting, and the dealer was showing a 5. No question about it, the correct play. The bitch dealer laughed at me and basically said I was an idiot to my face. Stupid cocky bitch...haven't thought about that in a long time, and I'm beginning to feel pissed again.
It does suck though when half-assed dealers pretty much make the wrong decision for a player and cost us a big play.
Like the dealer just passes a player quickly with the remark "You're OK!". The player has an obvious soft hand to be doubled but thinks for just a second. The dealer passes them by with no indication at all from the player.
Of course then the dealer procedes to make their hand when they should have busted.
I fully realize that players have the right to spend their own money and play as stupidly as they wish.
BUT.... dealers should not.. UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES... make plays for players.
Like the dealer just passes a player quickly with the remark "You're OK!". The player has an obvious soft hand to be doubled but thinks for just a second. The dealer passes them by with no indication at all from the player.
Of course then the dealer procedes to make their hand when they should have busted.
I fully realize that players have the right to spend their own money and play as stupidly as they wish.
BUT.... dealers should not.. UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES... make plays for players.
I have to stand by my decision to take insurance when dealer is showing an ace.Keep in mind, I'm talking about larger wagers.Would I take insurance on a $5 bet, no, I wouldn't, but $50 & Up, yes. One reason is, it doesn't happen that often. Usually if you hit blackjack, bam, your instantly paid the 3/2. There aren't too many occasions when you have blackjack and dealer is showing an ace, and this is the ONLY time I take insurance simply because your GUARANTEED money. Surely you guys have had many occasions where you've had blackjack, and turned down insurance, and the dealer had blackjack also, so instead of winning your wager, instead you push and win nothing. Well, try that on a $300 hand, and turn down insurance with the dealer hitting blackjack also.Doesn't make any sense to turn down a guaranteed $300.The problem here is most people get greedy. Instead of taking the guaranteed money, they see blackjack and want the bigger payoff. You simply have to look at it as winning a regular hand.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sick gambler:
amen illini, now try telling that to Key and Baseballguy.
I still can't believe that people actually blame a player when they lose.. How about when they win (which is 50% of the time). Of course we all get mad when a player costs them a big hand, its only normal. I do it too. But to say a dumb player is costing you on how he plays is idiotic..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ok the dealer has a 5 showing, and everyone on the table is dealt hands such as 15/16/20. Basic strategy would tell those players to stand. Well the guy sitting at third base has 16 and hits, he gets a face card and busts.
The dealer has their 5 showing and has a king as the under card, next card is a 6 to make 21 and the whole table loses. Had the guy with 16 stood pat, the dealer would have busted, and as a result everyone at the table could have been a winner, including the idiot who had 16.
Get it now?
amen illini, now try telling that to Key and Baseballguy.
I still can't believe that people actually blame a player when they lose.. How about when they win (which is 50% of the time). Of course we all get mad when a player costs them a big hand, its only normal. I do it too. But to say a dumb player is costing you on how he plays is idiotic..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ok the dealer has a 5 showing, and everyone on the table is dealt hands such as 15/16/20. Basic strategy would tell those players to stand. Well the guy sitting at third base has 16 and hits, he gets a face card and busts.
The dealer has their 5 showing and has a king as the under card, next card is a 6 to make 21 and the whole table loses. Had the guy with 16 stood pat, the dealer would have busted, and as a result everyone at the table could have been a winner, including the idiot who had 16.
Get it now?
Baus-you're exactly right, bro. It all evens out. Sure, inside I'm pissed when the guy at third base causes the dealer to have a 21, when the correct play would have had her busting. But I can't get mad at him for it. That's part of the game. The morons help you just as many times as they hurt you. His bad play may be the reason you get blackjacks on the next two hands. And God bless those people we call morons who go to Vegas and play with $200 for fun. When I'm losing, I sure wish I were one of them.
Baus, Illini, Sick, Savant and others:
There is no sense in reasoning with people who continue to believe superstitions and urban myths that fly in the face of cold hard mathematical facts. I would like to think these people would make the games better for us that actually could play with an advantage, but unfortunately the corporate masses attempt to take away any chance a sharp player has of winning.
It's unbelievable the number of people that will question where is the single deck in a casino and say they have it next door and it pays off at 6-5 on blackjack. It is exactly this kind of ignorance that keeps the corporate profits rolling.
There is no sense in reasoning with people who continue to believe superstitions and urban myths that fly in the face of cold hard mathematical facts. I would like to think these people would make the games better for us that actually could play with an advantage, but unfortunately the corporate masses attempt to take away any chance a sharp player has of winning.
It's unbelievable the number of people that will question where is the single deck in a casino and say they have it next door and it pays off at 6-5 on blackjack. It is exactly this kind of ignorance that keeps the corporate profits rolling.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Get it now? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
baseball guy,
no offence but you are quite naive...
Instead of listening to POSTERS who are obviously in the know how on wether or not a bad player affects your chances of winning or losing, you are simply arguing the same point.
DONT TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT... GO TO THE LOCAL BOOKSTORE & PICK UP ANY BOOK ABOUT BJ WRITTEN BY ANY BJ EXPERT....YOU WILL SEE... EVERYONE WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THIS GAME KNOWS THAT THIS IS NOT A CORRECT ASSUMPTION....
Take me word for it... Concede that you are wrong... & MOVE ON!!!
baseball guy,
no offence but you are quite naive...
Instead of listening to POSTERS who are obviously in the know how on wether or not a bad player affects your chances of winning or losing, you are simply arguing the same point.
DONT TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT... GO TO THE LOCAL BOOKSTORE & PICK UP ANY BOOK ABOUT BJ WRITTEN BY ANY BJ EXPERT....YOU WILL SEE... EVERYONE WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THIS GAME KNOWS THAT THIS IS NOT A CORRECT ASSUMPTION....
Take me word for it... Concede that you are wrong... & MOVE ON!!!
copied from a black jack site:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Many good players believe that if a player sitting at their table makes incorrect playing actions, it decreases their advantage. This is not true. There may be times when a player sitting at third base (left-most seat) hits his 16 when the dealer is showing a 5 and this player ends up busting and the dealer ends up with a good hand whereas if this player did not take the hit the dealer would have busted and everyone at the table would have won (the third base position gets a lot of heat from the other players if basic strategy is not followed). People tend to remember these bad incidences but in reality these kinds of actions have just as much chance of helping the other players as hurting them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Another Blackjack MYTH
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The 3rd baseman controls the game
The player at 3rd base has no more control over the game as far as other players winning as the player in 1st base. Neither has any effect on whether you win or lose long term. We always notice when the player in 3rd base takes a card and the dealer makes the hand. Conversely, we never notice when the player plays wrong and the dealer busts because of the bad play.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Bad players cause us to lose
If this were true, I would never play blackjack again. I am always playing with people who do not know the correct basic strategy for the game. Therefore I should not win if this were true. Some people play a little bad, some very bad and some absolutely terrible. It doesn't make any difference --they have no effect on my winning or losing long term.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Always take insurance if you have a Blackjack
This is one of the biggest mistakes a player can make. Insurance is the biggest "sucker bet" in blackjack. The casinos love people who take insurance. If a person were to take insurance every time that they had a blackjack. they would be giving up 13 percent of the profit that blackjack pays. In order for a person to break even with insurance, you would have to guess correctly 1 out of 3 times in order to just break even on the insurance option. Only if you are card counting should you ever take insurance. Incidentally when the casino offers you "even" money on your blackjack, that is the same as taking insurance.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I CAN POST A SOZEN ARTICLES IF YOU WANT ABOUT BAD PLAYERS AFFECTING YOUR CHANCE OF WINNING AT A BLACKJACK TABLE...
IN THE MEANTIME.. I will Get them if you still do not Beleive us baseballguy, however hopefully this is enough PROOF for you...
If not Let me know... If it is Please post accordingly... I am determined to change your beleif in this matter.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Many good players believe that if a player sitting at their table makes incorrect playing actions, it decreases their advantage. This is not true. There may be times when a player sitting at third base (left-most seat) hits his 16 when the dealer is showing a 5 and this player ends up busting and the dealer ends up with a good hand whereas if this player did not take the hit the dealer would have busted and everyone at the table would have won (the third base position gets a lot of heat from the other players if basic strategy is not followed). People tend to remember these bad incidences but in reality these kinds of actions have just as much chance of helping the other players as hurting them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Another Blackjack MYTH
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The 3rd baseman controls the game
The player at 3rd base has no more control over the game as far as other players winning as the player in 1st base. Neither has any effect on whether you win or lose long term. We always notice when the player in 3rd base takes a card and the dealer makes the hand. Conversely, we never notice when the player plays wrong and the dealer busts because of the bad play.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Bad players cause us to lose
If this were true, I would never play blackjack again. I am always playing with people who do not know the correct basic strategy for the game. Therefore I should not win if this were true. Some people play a little bad, some very bad and some absolutely terrible. It doesn't make any difference --they have no effect on my winning or losing long term.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Always take insurance if you have a Blackjack
This is one of the biggest mistakes a player can make. Insurance is the biggest "sucker bet" in blackjack. The casinos love people who take insurance. If a person were to take insurance every time that they had a blackjack. they would be giving up 13 percent of the profit that blackjack pays. In order for a person to break even with insurance, you would have to guess correctly 1 out of 3 times in order to just break even on the insurance option. Only if you are card counting should you ever take insurance. Incidentally when the casino offers you "even" money on your blackjack, that is the same as taking insurance.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I CAN POST A SOZEN ARTICLES IF YOU WANT ABOUT BAD PLAYERS AFFECTING YOUR CHANCE OF WINNING AT A BLACKJACK TABLE...
IN THE MEANTIME.. I will Get them if you still do not Beleive us baseballguy, however hopefully this is enough PROOF for you...
If not Let me know... If it is Please post accordingly... I am determined to change your beleif in this matter.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The dealer has their 5 showing and has a king as the under card, next card is a 6 to make 21 and the whole table loses. Had the guy with 16 stood pat, the dealer would have busted, and as a result everyone at the table could have been a winner, including the idiot who had 16.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
DUHHH WHAT IF the GUY HITS... Gets a 6 & Busts.... But then the dealer Draws a 10?
If the Guy had not Hit (In error) the dealer would have gotten the 6 & killed everyone...
IE... THE GUYS IDIOCY CAUSES THE ENTIRE TABLE TO WIN... THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME & IN THE LONG RUN THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING IS HOW YOU PLAY YOUR CARDS AGAINST THE DEALER.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
DUHHH WHAT IF the GUY HITS... Gets a 6 & Busts.... But then the dealer Draws a 10?
If the Guy had not Hit (In error) the dealer would have gotten the 6 & killed everyone...
IE... THE GUYS IDIOCY CAUSES THE ENTIRE TABLE TO WIN... THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME & IN THE LONG RUN THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING IS HOW YOU PLAY YOUR CARDS AGAINST THE DEALER.
If I gave the impression that I thought you were better off dbl 10 vs 11 that was not my intention. It`s just as w/all "bad beats" that ace seems to fall more than it should, just me being paranoid. As far as dblig w/11 playing basic strategy ONLY & against a multi deck shoe most will advise to ALWAYS dbl 11 against everything. I don`t even hesitate I get 11, I dbl. This and hitting hard 12 against 2 or 3 cause the most arguements I think. Luck to you. Where are you? I`m in Mn and the rules vary a lot. It used to be easy here but they`re much tougher now.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I would tend to agree with Sick Gambler, but I am not a professional blackjack player. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
it is not a matter of 'agreeing' or 'disagreeing' it is a matter of FACT vs FICTION... MATHEMATICS
If you disagree... YOU ARE WRONG...
it is not a matter of 'agreeing' or 'disagreeing' it is a matter of FACT vs FICTION... MATHEMATICS
If you disagree... YOU ARE WRONG...
