POLL: How is done more damage to your freedom!?

[FunkSoulBrother]

Thank you for your answer Igetp2s.

You'll forgive me if I can't elaborate a whole ton right now because I am writing a speech for my speech class. A persuasive speech that young people should exercise their right to vote, which I think is something we all agree on.

As far as why do I stay here when I obviously am not satisfied with the USA?

Well, first off, don't let all my bitching about GW Bush give you the impression that I hate this country. I don't think anyone hates this country except people who hate the constitution, something I hold dearly.

I guess what I want to point out is that the "mix of social services" and "standard of living" and "opportunity" we enjoy in this country didn't appear out of thin air. People had to fight for them in congress, and there have always been people on both sides of the aisle, and usually they reach a compromise.

-When slavery was an issue there were people on both sides of the aisle
-When Welfare was an issue, there were people on both sides of the aisle
-Ditto for Gun Control, or Abortion, or Income Tax, or the Tax-free status of churches, or whatever.

I guess I just want you to see that we are Americans too, who desperately want to help this country. We just happen to be on a different side of the aisle on this one. Now the conservatives are wininning on this one. But if all the liberals picked up their balls and ran home, then the legislation passed would get even more conservative, pissing off the moderates and so on.. It just can't go on like that, its not natural.

But I haven't left because I think I can change this place for the better. I haven't left for the same reason the Pro-life people didn't leave when Roe v. Wade was passed... they still think they can make a difference, a change.

And dammit.. I'm a baseball fan.. I don't give up till the last out of the last inning. So even if I think this country is slowly drifting toward facism, I'd rather say I fought it all the way, and had to stage a daring escape from Guantanemo Bay with the guards on my tail, than to say I ran away from my country, and left my neighbors to suffer.

 

[Amitightornot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lander:
Igetpms has ever traveled outside the US

Yes +150
No -200<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, he has only two options, Israel or America!
So, of course he has to give up gambling, he cant go anywhere else. Europe stinks because they dont like jews based on what he said!

The greatest countries in the world according to him are Israel and the US. No wonder he supports Bush!

 

[lander]

Great post FSB.

I love the Constitution, but not Georgie & his freedom-depriving attacks on the world and our beloved Constitution.

 

[FunkSoulBrother]

for the record, if I do make a daring escape, I'd like to go to England. A country where they grill the prime minister weekly in front of parliament is very intriguing.

 

[Amitightornot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Igetp2s:
I am certainly not a $2 bettor. I am up 12 dimes so far this year. And yet I still consider it a hobby that I would give up in a second if it meant I had to move. .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
And you should give it up since it seems like you cant go anywhere else but so see most of here are not in your situation!
The world doesnt hate us!

 

[Igetp2s]

Am I, you are retarded. You consider that acceptable? That the US and Israel are the only places I feel safe? And so I should not feel grateful to the US for that?

As long as your safe and sound right anywhere you want to go? You're a piece of trash. Go fvck yourself.

 

[Amitightornot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Igetp2s:
Am I, you are retarded. You consider that acceptable? That the US and Israel are the only places I feel safe? .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dude, thats not my problem. To be honest with you I dont give a ****!

Now way, I am not going to **** myself!

 

[Igetp2s]

Am I, I hear the NeoNazis have some openings, Care to join?

 

[Amitightornot]

hahahahah

No, Im too busy!

 

[lander]

"That the US and Israel are the only places I feel safe?"

Because the terrorist attacks aren't targeted against these places

Other places PMS would feel "safe"

1. Indonesia
2. Philipeans
3. Checyna(sp?)

 

[Igetp2s]

I've had enough of this garbage. You can all keep living in fear if you'd like. Better get used to it, it looks like another 5 years at least.

Just remember, they're out to get you. Oh, and Lander, your location isn't nearly as "Undisclosed" as you might think.

 

[lander]

I'm in NY spanky.

Apparently Commi's like you don't understand "humor"

 

[Igetp2s]

Go get him boys. And make sure he gets nowhere near a lawyer.

 

[lander]

I don't know which is more pathetic - your assinine assessment of America or your futile attempt at "humor"

 

[Igetp2s]

Yo Flanders heres another right Bush must have taken away from you: the right to think before you speak and not sound like a moron. Or was that self-imposed.

 

[Igetp2s]

"I don't know which is more pathetic - your assinine assessment of America or your futile attempt at "humor"

Just following your lead buddy

 

[lander]

ok, Spanky you win - the PATRIOT ACT is not unconstitutional.

I guess the poll results must all be wrong too

Go ahead and get you last word in little boy, I'm finished talking about this with someone that has never actually left the US.

GJ Tiger

 

[Igetp2s]

ok, Spanky you win - the PATRIOT ACT is not unconstitutional. I guess the poll results must all be wrong too

Thats right, its not unconstitutional until the Supreme Court says that it is. Sorry that this country is run based on the rule of law rather than opinion polls, or your personal opinion.

By the way, the best and most accurate "opinion poll" is called the elections, and I dont think the drafters of this bill are worrying too much about the upcoming ones.

 

[Amitightornot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lander:
Go ahead and get you last word in little boy, I'm finished talking about this with someone that has never actually left the US.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually if this idiot keeps this up someday he could be forced to leave the us!

By the way you can get $5000 if you get the **** out here and move to Israel.

 

[IntuitionBET]

Either way you look at it...the beast that some of you feel George Bush has become and the restricting of our U.S. FREEDOMS is a direct result of the terrorist attacks that Osama planned....he knew it would come to this.

He knew how bush was going to respond to those attacks. He knew Bush would restrict freedon in the USA because of them and it would cause all kinds of fighting among Americans. He knew all of this.

So when Bush doesn't get re-elected next year we will still be in a mess and the new president no matter who gets elected will make a bigger mess of things. So either way you look at it we're Fu(ked unless we get rid of the terrorist worldwide...and the problem in doing that will piss off the world because the world doesn't want to U.S. military going around policing other countries...even though no other country will do this or can do this like the USA and it's allies.


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P.S. shouldn't this thread be in the political forum downstairs and NOT here?

[This message was edited by Intuition BET on August 04, 2003 at 11:32 AM.]