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1. An 8.5 win total on a team that I have seen ranked as high as 13th in some pre-season polls does not constitute a bad line in my estimation.

2. The moneyline was moved all day long on the under as Jimmy and others have pointed out, not good for the Pinnacle arguement in my mind.

Unless Pinnacle can offer up some other explantion, my opinion is Pinnacle did not take the right actions here.

That is my personal feeling on this matter.
 

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Amen Mr. Fishy,
Now you are talking my language! This team won 9 games last year, they have a legitimate chance to win 9 this year! For Pinny's sake they better not hang a line on this team !! Bad business and their customer service sucks and is second to EVERYONE!!
 
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Pinnacle, like all of us, sometimes make
mistakes. This isn't the first & won't be their
last time. But when you see an erroneous line,
the right thing to do is call it in.

BTW, didn't they leave up a future on Miami season wins recently, & the line moved similarly when it became known Ricky was quitting, & they finally took it off the board, but i haven't heard anything about them saying this was a bad line or cancelling those wagers. Hmmm.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by X-Files:
BTW, didn't they leave up a future on Miami season wins recently, & the line moved similarly when it became known Ricky was quitting, & they finally took it off the board, but i haven't heard anything about them saying this was a bad line or cancelling those wagers. Hmmm. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huge difference compared to the case in question.
 

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How is this an erroneous line,lol, they won 9 last year have a great Defense, can win 9 again!Would like to hear Mr. Shrinks and Mr. Generals opinions on this one???
 

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HOW IS 8 1/2 A BAD LINE WITH OK STATE, THEY
DO PLAY IN THE BIG 12? WHAT GIVES ,IF THEY PUT
IT BACK UP I WOULDN'T HAMMER IT EITHER WAY!
I DUNN, GA
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by X-Files:
Pinnacle, like all of us, sometimes make
mistakes. This isn't the first & won't be their
last time. But when you see an erroneous line,
the right thing to do is call it in.

BTW, didn't they leave up a future on Miami season wins recently, & the line moved similarly when it became known Ricky was quitting, & they finally took it off the board, but i haven't heard anything about them saying this was a bad line or cancelling those wagers. Hmmm. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I totally agree with calling in ERRONEOUS lines like you mention.........when it is obvious.

NO WAY this was the case though........NO WAY!

How can a team that won 9 games the previous year and be ranked as high as 13th in some preseaon polls have an ERRONEOUS line of 8.5 wins??
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by X-Files:
One bookmaker lists the odds to win the
"NCAAF Championship", including...

Ohio State +1600

Oklahoma St +8000 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your point being?
 

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I have spent the morning on some various Oklahoma St. message boards.

The consensus I am getting from the majority of Okie St. fans is they are counting on winning 7 or 8 games this year for the most part..... with some diehards suggesting more.
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FISHHEAD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by X-Files:
Pinnacle, like all of us, sometimes make
mistakes. This isn't the first & won't be their
last time. But when you see an erroneous line,
the right thing to do is call it in.

BTW, didn't they leave up a future on Miami season wins recently, & the line moved similarly when it became known Ricky was quitting, & they finally took it off the board, but i haven't heard anything about them saying this was a bad line or cancelling those wagers. Hmmm. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I totally agree with calling in ERRONEOUS lines like you mention.........when it is obvious.

NO WAY this was the case though........NO WAY!

How can a team that won 9 games the previous year and be ranked as high as 13th in some preseaon polls have an ERRONEOUS line of 8.5 wins?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If it was not obvious, why was everyone hammering the one side?

Ohio State is ranked 11th by the BM i spoke of,
while Ok State is 33.

.02
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JimFiestSux:
Mizike,
A little trigger happy,lol! I don't and won't ever play at Pinny so wanting that # is out of the question! I'm not a future player! They had a BAD line hanging all day and should honor their mistake! If I had a play that was cancelled hours after I made it even though it was months away I'd pull all money out and say screw you! You say they are #1, yes they are humans too but to be a top notch book they should Honor their fuckups!! Why is Oak State off the board all together than smarty?? Why wasn't their line adjusted accordingly?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

no where did I state Pinny is #1, I don’t even have an account there, I just want the true facts to emerge.
You stated that you don’t play at Pinny yet you clearly give the impression that you in fact did place this wager. If you did not then why the aggressive tone? I really could care less that you brought this topic up but at least acknowledge your reasons. Do you know someone who placed or what? Did you ever think of calling Pinny and telling them, I know its not the players responsibility to do so but you certainly feel its your responsibility to tell everyone how you feel Pinny is doing wrong?
OK state off the board, I am not sure what you are trying to refer to by this, do you mean that since the mistake was acknowledged OK state has been off the board. If so what does that have to do with anything other than Pinny acknowledging the mistake of which they did in an email to everyone anyway?
My ? to you is: was the line moved from +100 to -180 in one line move or did it happen progressively throughout the day? To me that makes all the difference.

Was OK State listed twice when it was originally posted? If it was that will fit Pinny's argument that it was wrong team not bad line.

As to why their line was not adjusted accordingly, I would say that it was. Originally posted +100 then it was moved at some point to -180 If that’s not a line adjustment then please explain your statement further.
You still have not explained what Pinny’s written policy is. If they follow their established policies then what can you complain about other than not getting to wager on a bad line?
For you to act naive and claim that you can’t believe they did this is disingenuous on your part. How many posts here have discussed this exact topic and its always the same outcome:
The player betting on a bad line 9 x out of 10 will loose the argument and the book will challenge the wager.
Now that its your turn you feel you have been wronged!?!?!?! You should know better than that Jim my man.
JMO

P.S. I agree with you 100% that the best way to show your unhappyness with any book should be to pull your $$ and go play somewhere else.
 

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I see people debating whether 8.5 would be a correct number for Oklahoma State here. That's irrelavant if it's a case of the wrong team being listed. I'm not a fan of the standard house rule in which clearly bad lines are voided. But the reason I'm not a fan of this rule is due to cases that are not clear cut and at the book's discretion. But when it's a case of posting the wrong team name, it certainly falls under the house rule and thus should be voided. Take a look at the ordering of the teams -- alphabetical order. The rotation numbers are 137/138 for Notre Dame, then 139/140 for Ohio State, and then 141/142 for Oklahoma. There are no gaps in the numbers. If Oklahoma State was meant to be listed, they would have have been listed AFTER Oklahoma (note ordering of Florida and Florida State) and thus would not have had a rotation number of 139/140. My opinion is that Pinnacle made a clear mistake posting Oklahoma State instead of Ohio State and that it falls under the standard house rule for voiding bets. Thus, I believe Pinnacle has made the right decision here.
 

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Like I say, it all depends on the circumstances. I doubt it moved all at once as it only has a limit of 500 bux. So it obviously took action all day.

BUT What I don't get is that several teams have pretty lopsided action, Clemson is -170 one way, Ga is -175 one way, K St is -176 one way, NC St is -165 one way, Tex is -181 one way , and Wis is -186 one way. So why this game being culled out?

Even if it was an "erroneous" line, it isn't like it is the only one getting lopsided action. I can also only assume that in the games cited above the action had to be in proportion to the odds that Ok St carried. Especially in a vacuum setting like NCAA Futures, with a someone modest limit. So in my estimation the amount of bets placed on Tex @ -181 would be almost exactly equal to the amount of wagers on Ok St @ -180. So what is the difference here?

Since there is no plausible reason, then that actually helps Pin's argumebnt that it was an erroneous line, it doesn't however excuse them taking the bets and moving the line. They just posted a number that people were taking advantage of, I also showed 6 above that people have also taken advantage of. That is why I don't get why Pin would do something like this, erroneous or not, it wasn't an extreme case as there are several examples that can be cited.

I haven't looked, but maybe there is something else, an injury that has yet to be announced, or a suspension of some sort. if that is the case, then Pin is TOTALLY in the worng, especially if they have wind of it. that is the chance books take when posting future prices, and the chance people take in betting them. Most bets are based on available info, if a few bettors have inside info and took advatage of it, that is the nature of gambling, for a book to get the same info, then calim "erroneous line" is a joke.

Of course this is all speculation on my part, but I cannot for the life of me account for why Pin would not only cancel all the wagers, but taklethe line down altogether without putting up a more "sensible" line.
 

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Picasso, then why is Oregon in direct succession to Okl, if Ok St were in fact a team to be listed they would have a number assigned, there is no gap.
 

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It's hard to believe this topic gets this much attention when the topic starter didn't even wager on this line!
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wantitall4moi:
Picasso, then why is Oregon in direct succession to Okl, if Ok St were in fact a team to be listed they would have a number assigned, there is no gap. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who says Oklahoma State was meant to be listed? It's not like a line was reposted for them. And it's not like a line is posted for all 117 teams. Oregon is listed after Oklahoma because they come directly after Oklahoma alphabetically for the teams Pinnacle chose to post a number on.
 

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Well we can't argue because I did not see the original rotation number. Anyone that did bet it can post what number Ok St was listed at. If it was 140 Under 8.5 (Ohio St. rotation number)then Pin has an argument, if it was 144 Under 8.5 Ore rotation number, after Ok rotation number), then it is clear that Ok St was a listing meant to be on board.
 

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Picasso nailed it right on the head. Clearly a bad line and clearly the wrong team. The line is off by at least a game which is HUGE in these types of bets. Obviously the case that pinnacle is not screwing anyone here. Their reputation speaks for itself and if anything you guys should quit crying about it knowing how trustworthy they are. It is rare they make a mistake and they handled it properly by eliminating wagers and putting up the correct team.
 

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