Patriots = Cheaters from 2000 - 2007 and Goodell Covered it all up

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This whole thing is a joke. The league should handle bringing balls to the game. The Patriots are notorious cheaters and they got away with it again. This hurts the integrity of the league to me. I don't care how many teams cheat, it is not acceptable.
 

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I like it when these guys (all teams) cheat.
 

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Yeah I totally agree on all counts (except I might argue semantics in the first sentence). But that's not what this article is about.

In fact the article states that the league trumped up this stupid story as retribution for a decade plus of persistent cheating. The article implies that deflategate would have been a non-issue if not for the fact that the league was sick of their cheating ways going unpunished.

So it's kinda pointless to dive back into defending deflategate. That's not the point.

you're talking in circles my friend

"the league doesn't care about deflategate, but they made it an issue because they're tired of cheating" (paraphrasing)

if they didn't care, then why would they try to punish them for cheating again? like the author of the fictional hit piece, that dog don't hunt
 

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I remember when Saban came down to Miami he had the place searched for bugs. At the time I thought he was overly paranoid.
 

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you're talking in circles my friend

"the league doesn't care about deflategate, but they made it an issue because they're tired of cheating" (paraphrasing)

if they didn't care, then why would they try to punish them for cheating again? like the author of the fictional hit piece, that dog don't hunt

You must not understand what I'm saying because I am not talking in circles.

The article states that the league trying to come down hard on deflategate was a make-up call. It was the straw that broke the camel's back. Deflategate in and of itself would not be a big deal if it weren't for so many other transgressions that have been known/suspected over the years. I don't know how many other ways I can explain it so you understand.

I'm not saying I believe everything in the article, and obviously the timing is sketchy as hell.

But you guys vigorously defending deflategate are missing the point of the article.

The article is saying your organization has cheating in its DNA.
 

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1) so the league knows deflategate is nothing, they don't care about it, they know it's meaningless

2) but they chose this meaningless event to get pissed at the Pats and punish them for something that happened 10 years ago?

Those dots don't connect, but I'll tell you what does

1) this author released the "NFL destroyed evidence" story a long time ago, it didn't have legs

2) so the author goes back to rewrite his story (actually changed a few key facts) and pretends it's now connected to deflategate. He's doing nothing more than to give his personal witch hunt new life. That's it, that's the story



Someone already stated it best, it's the type of documentary Michael Moore would write. (it's full of bullshit)
 

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it's to see some people besides pat fans are getting tired of all the bullshit

others never will, they're going to their graves thinking the Patriots cheated them time and time and time again, and all those incredibly stupid teams they supported continue to make the same silly mistakes (like leaving their game plans in unattended locker rooms so the pats could just walk in and steal them. I can only laugh at that one, not even worthy of a response, just laughter)
 

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The Pats and Tom Brady stoved in the brains of the NFL and the haters from ESPN so bad last week, that they had rehashed shit from anonymous sources and haters from 10 years ago.
 

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The Pats and Tom Brady stoved in the brains of the NFL and the haters from ESPN so bad last week, that they had rehashed shit from anonymous sources and haters from 10 years ago.

and haters swallow hook line and sinker, without reflex
 

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The Pats and Tom Brady stoved in the brains of the NFL and the haters from ESPN so bad last week, that they had rehashed shit from anonymous sources and haters from 10 years ago.

do you know what time the bars will fill up around the stadium? in Patriot's Place? If I get there at 4:00, will that be early enough?
 

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In fact, many former New England coaches and employees insist that the taping of signals wasn't even the most effective cheating method the Patriots deployed in that era. Several of them acknowledge that during pregame warm-ups, a low-level Patriots employee would sneak into the visiting locker room and steal the play sheet, listing the first 20 or so scripted calls for the opposing team's offense. (The practice became so notorious that some coaches put out fake play sheets for the Patriots to swipe.) Numerous former employees say the Patriots would have someone rummage through the visiting team hotel for playbooks or scouting reports. Walsh later told investigators that he was once instructed to remove the labels and erase tapes of a Patriots practice because the team had illegally used a player on injured reserve. At Gillette Stadium, the scrambling and jamming of the opponents' coach-to-quarterback radio line -- "small s---" that many teams do, according to a former Pats assistant coach -- occurred so often that one team asked a league official to sit in the coaches' box during the game and wait for it to happen. Sure enough, on a key third down, the headset went out.

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Gee the Pats cheat so much at home that they they have the winning-est record on the road since 2000.

By the way guess how many times the Pats have fumbled since the first half of the Colts game using regular inflated balls? Once. Ryan Lindley 3 rd string QB in the 4th quarter of was strip sacked in the last preseason game....What did the Pats do? Deflate the balls? No. They got rid of Lindley.

I guess the Pats were the only team in the NFL to leave their own security in their lockerroom.
 

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Tuesday’s report from ESPN regarding the Patriots contained a potentially explosive allegation from former Rams coach Mike Martz. Upon closer review, it now appears that Martz’s allegation regarding changes to a statement given to the NFL in 2008 has no merit.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/08/martzs-2008-statement-hasnt-changed/

Walsh later told investigators that he was once instructed to remove the labels and erase tapes of a Patriots practice because the team had illegally used a player on injured reserve.

Walsh was fired from the Pats for being a known liar with the team and basically a psychopath. All his stories were verifyingly un credible 10 years ago.

Another news flash.
Patriots have asked the NFL to reinstate Jastrzemski and McNally per profootball talk.com
 

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do you know what time the bars will fill up around the stadium? in Patriot's Place? If I get there at 4:00, will that be early enough?
Hold on a few minutes willie I'll get back to you.
 

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The article states that the league trying to come down hard on deflategate was a make-up call. It was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Almost everything in the article was about stuff that happened over 10 years ago. Unless the article omitted a lot of information, the Patriots have been completely clean for years and only have one other instance of doing anything sketchy under Goddell. There is nothing in that entire article about Goddell even once missing anything the Patriots ever did that was underhanded or against the rules. Or do you have any evidence ESPN is covering up for the Patriots now, too?
 

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do you know what time the bars will fill up around the stadium? in Patriot's Place? If I get there at 4:00, will that be early enough?
Hold on a few minutes willie I'll get back to you.
 

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Almost everything in the article was about stuff that happened over 10 years ago. Unless the article omitted a lot of information, the Patriots have been completely clean for years and only have one other instance of doing anything sketchy under Goddell. There is nothing in that entire article about Goddell even once missing anything the Patriots ever did that was underhanded or against the rules. Or do you have any evidence ESPN is covering up for the Patriots now, too?

Did not Goodell et al discover the room full of illegal tapes, etc and ordered them destroyed in 2007...before it got to the public.
It's not that it was done under him...but that he discovered it and looked away.
 
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Did not Goodell et al discover the room full of illegal tapes, etc and ordered them destroyed in 2007...before it got to the public.
It's not that it was done under him...but that he discovered it and looked away.

Hard to say.. The guy who wrote this espn story said back in December that the owners voted to destroy tapes, but now he says that goodell did it. Espn can't even get their story straight.
 

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Hard to say.. The guy who wrote this espn story said back in December that the owners voted to destroy tapes, but now he says that goodell did it. Espn can't even get their story straight.

They are about as credible as Brian Williams and Hillary Clinton
 

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