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I guess I'm looking at it as a game LSU thinks they have to win by a large margin for (a start towards) national credibility and to erase the shame of last year's 8-5 mark. Perhaps I'm seeing what I want to see here and looking past the other side of the argument.

Like Mighty Ginseng, I disagree about the overconfidence, as this is the opener on national TV, and both sides will be amped. If anything, UW is likely to be too amped and make mistakes. I would be more of a believer in LSU looking past this game if it wasn't the opener....

In a perfect world, UW would do the business in the 1st half and the Tigers would turn it up the second half and win by 3+ TDs.

We'll see. BOL.

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But I am fully aboard the Oregon train on Thursday. +175 ML. As well as Stanford over WSU.
 

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Too much love for the Huskies here. Locker is a stud, I'm very high on him, but we're talking about a bottom dwelling Pac 10 program going against a top SEC program. I don't think that has been really emphasized enough. Washington cannot recruit at the level LSU does and the SEC speed will prevent them from doing a whole lot. There is a big difference between the level of athlete's and programs competing.

Oregon gashed UW for 256 yards in their opener last year. LSU ran for 266 in their opening against giant killer Appalachian St. How will Washington be able to slow down LSU's run game? How will Washington score?

And the game will be televised on ESPN. I don't see LSU coming out slow and rusty on national TV, especially after their disappointing 5 losses last year.

All that about the difference in recruiting is true, but I wouldn't overemphasize that because Sarkisian did wind up with the #4 recruiting class in the Pac-10.

As El Taino was saying earlier, LSU has had their troubles containing mobile QB's and Locker definitely is that to an extreme. The question is how much his throwing game has improved and from what I have been hearing, it's improved a lot.

UW also has PLENTY of speed at the WR position -- of all things one of their strengths this year. They may be thin in the Dbackfield and at a few other position groups, but they have some speed back there as well as 3 of the better LB's on the west coast, one of them a "maybe" all-American candidate. LB's just happen to be another of their strengths. It's not the kind of speed mismatch people think. And finally after years of me hawking over their poor conditioning program under Willingham, Sarkisian has hired the right help to lift that aspect of their program up to where it needs to be. I've been taking all this in for the past 6 months and making notes.

You just don't hear much about UW these days because people don't seem interested in knowing. Fact is that they've had a VERY productive camp. The attitude has been VERY positive and the practices have been upbeat with a lot of guys stepping up. They may not win a lot of games in the conference this year but they will cause a lot of problems.

I can't say whether or not Sarkisian is the answer they've been looking for but they will come out WAY stronger than anything you saw when Willingham was in charge up there. Scratch that team out of your head because he's gone.
 

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thats right conan. from what i understand freshman WR's kearse and aguilar are very fast. i think both are sub 4.45 and if les plays cover 2 or cover 3 (lsu favorite) locker may be able to roll (he may have to with 2 freshman OL) and have a run/pass option. if a LB/DB breaks zone coverage to chase him down that will open up short routes and giving a fast wr space to work is never a good idea. furthermore les miles loves to send his LB's and if locker can read it and audible to a slant, a fast wr can beat man coverage and get you 8-9+ yards everytime. like i mentioned previously, im not worried about UW offense, im more worried about its defense
 

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thats right conan. from what i understand freshman WR's kearse and aguilar are very fast. i think both are sub 4.45 and if les plays cover 2 or cover 3 (lsu favorite) locker may be able to roll (he may have to with 2 freshman OL) and have a run/pass option. if a LB/DB breaks zone coverage to chase him down that will open up short routes and giving a fast wr space to work is never a good idea. furthermore les miles loves to send his LB's and if locker can read it and audible to a slant, a fast wr can beat man coverage and get you 8-9+ yards everytime. like i mentioned previously, im not worried about UW offense, im more worried about its defense

More specifically their DL could be worrisome. Enough to keep their LB's busy all day. LB EJ Savanaugh coming back helps them out with an already formidable set of LB's. I don't know exactly where that leaves holes along the DL or in coverages, but they do have a few things going for them, especially if all that weight training has done their interior linemen any good.
 

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UW does have questions on the DL and even though the LSU tackles are 300+ pounders, UW has a 350 pound freshman DT who will be starting and the other DL starter is 290. the LSU guards and center are outweighed here which will put the pressure on the UW DE's to step up and if the middle is constantly clogged the LB's can work downhill to stop runs to the outside. the DE's will be outweighed by almost 100 lbs, but if they hold that may put lsu in passing situations with an inexperienced QB. imo the LB's must help the DE's without getting beat on playaction. if that happens, the defense may be able to hold lsu under 35 points or lower
 

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<!-- HEADLINE --> WSU faces an uphill battle trying to shore up historically bad defense
<!-- end HEADLINE --> <!-- SUB HEADLINE --> COUGARS: They might try to do it with two-deep that could have 11 untested faces
<!-- end SUB HEADLINE --> <!-- BYLINE --> HOWIE STALWICK; For The News Tribune
Last updated: August 23rd, 2009 12:19 AM (PDT)
<!-- end BYLINE --> <!-- STORY CONTENT --> PULLMAN – Two weeks before embarking on their annual exchange of helmet paint with the enemy, the Washington State Cougars do not have a starting quarterback. The only receiver with more than 11 career catches is out with a pulled hamstring. A key running back is sidelined with a bad knee. Most of the offensive two-deep is rife with unknowns.
All that, and WSU’s most pressing concerns may lie on the defensive side of the ball.
Historically awful a year ago, the Cougars’ defense will try to make amends with a two-deep that may include 11 players who did not play college football last year. The starting lineup might include three freshmen, only one of whom has redshirted.
Yikes. This does not sound like a recipe for success when your schedule is dotted with four teams in The Associated Press Top 25 (excluding Oregon State, which made the USA Today Top 25) and only five of your 12 games will be played in Pullman.
Sports Illustrated predicts the Cougars will go 0-9 in the Pacific-10 Conference and 2-10 overall, but WSU coaches and players unfailingly mention a bowl game as a reasonable goal. The Cougars, however, won’t even sniff the postseason without a monumental improvement on defense.
“We’re clearly better, obviously, from a year ago,” coach Paul Wulff said after Saturday afternoon’s practice at Martin Stadium. “But we’ve still got a lot of things we’ve got to get better at. These last two weeks (of preseason workouts) are so critical for the whole team to take another giant step.”
The Cougars open the season at home Sept. 5 with a Pac-10 game against Stanford. The Cardinal returns 15 starters off a team that beat WSU, 58-0, last year.
Amazingly, the 58 points given up ranked only sixth on the WSU bad hits parade last season.
USC rolled, 69-0. Cal throttled the Cougars, 66-3. Oregon State breezed, 66-13. Oregon had a 63-14 cakewalk. Arizona won, 59-28.
No wonder the Cougars finished 1-8 in the Pac-10 and 2-11 overall while setting school records for losses and points allowed. North Texas gave up one more point (571) than WSU, or the Cougars would have had the worst defense in “major college” history.
WSU forced only 13 turnovers and had just 16 quarterback sacks. Arguably, however, the most glaringly bad defensive statistic was the 247.6 rushing yards allowed per game. That ranked last nationally.
“I definitely feel our pass-rush defense is getting a lot better, but the first thing we have to do is stop the run,” said defensive end Kevin Kooyman, a former Tahoma High School standout.
Kooyman had just one sack as a part-time starter last season, but he’s gained 20 pounds and maintains he might be quicker. WSU’s other starting defensive end could be true freshman Travis Long.
Junior tackle Toby Turpin led the Cougars with just three sacks last season. WSU is counting on Turpin and junior-college transfers Bernard Wolfgramm and Josh Luapo (both redshirts last season) to fill the gaping gaps up the middle.
Greg Trent will be replaced at middle linebacker by rugged true freshman Darren Markle or fleet Alex Hoffman-Ellis. The latter redshirted last year and has just two years of football experience – one in high school, one in JC.
Senior Andy Mattingly and sophomore Louis Bland have displayed star qualities at times at outside linebacker. Mattingly made all-Pac-10 honorable mention as a part-time starter two years ago but struggled at defensive end in ’08.
Senior Xavier Hicks and junior Chima Nwachukwu are returning starters at the safety positions, but the cornerbacks are extremely young and inexperienced. Transfer Brandon Jones, a reserve two years ago at California, is expected to start at corner opposite redshirt freshman Daniel Simmons. <!-- end STORY CONTENT --> <!-- ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED -->
Originally published: August 23rd, 2009 12:19 AM (PDT)
 

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WSU no clear leader at QB
I have heard quite a few people tell me that true FR Tuel is the best qb on the roster right now.




PULLMAN – No, there isn’t a starting quarterback yet.

With a week of practice left before Washington State University begins putting in the game plan for the Stanford season opener, the Cougars’ Kevin Lopina and Marshall Lobbestael are still neck-and-neck for the coveted spot.

But don’t take our word for it.

“I just talked with the kids,” said WSU offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach Todd Sturdy this week, “and right now it is a dead heat.”

Pretty clear. In fact, Sturdy won’t even hint who might be ahead, the senior Lopina or the sophomore Lobbestael. He did, however, eliminate any chance true freshman Jeff Tuel would be the guy. Right now.

Sometime in the next few days Sturdy and head coach Paul Wulff will make the decision. They’ll elate one player and disappoint another.

For a while.

“I want to win games and if it means Marshall playing or both of us playing or me playing, that’s what it’s going to be,” said Lopina, who started eight times last season. “Obviously I’m a senior and it’s my last go-round so I’m going to try extra hard.

“But if the coaches feel he’ll give us the best chance to win or if they need me to go into a game and help us out as well, that’s what I’m going to have to do.”

Lopina, like any good quarterback should, identified the crux of the matter. The best chance to win. The decision will come down to that.

In the 2-11 gantlet that was last season, Lopina endured a broken bone in his back, bore the brunt of a majority of the 43 sacks the Cougars surrendered, threw 11 interceptions and zero touchdowns and, despite completing nearly 57 percent of his throws, heard about it on messages boards throughout the off season.

Lobbestael didn’t emerge unscathed. The knee brace – thanks to a sack-induced MCL and ACL tear suffered against Oregon State – on his left leg is testament to that. In his five games, he completed a little more than 50 percent of his passes, and had as many interceptions as touchdowns (four, two-thirds of WSU’s total).

But that was last year. This year one of them has to take the reins of the offense.

“I’m pleased with the progress but I’m also still striving to get more out of them,” Sturdy said. “I think they have an opportunity to get better. I think their best football is ahead of them if they continue to grow.”

The same can be said of the 6-foot-3 Tuel, who has shown a powerful arm and quick feet in practice. He was rising on the depth chart even before J.T. Levenseller, who played in four games as a freshman last season, decided to transfer to Eastern Washington. The plan is for Tuel to redshirt, but that was the plan for Levenseller last year. Injuries changed the plan.

“I think he’s got huge potential,” Sturdy said. “I think he’s got an opportunity to be a really good player. Now it just comes down to the development.”

For the WSU offense to develop, either Lopina or Lobbestael will have to play better than they did last season, when they both took their first college snaps.

“I think both have grown a lot and they’ve both made some strides,” Sturdy said. “We’ve got to pick one, ya. And that’s coming.

“They need to understand too, hey, it’s deadlocked. It’s going to come down to executing the offense. They’re both getting lots of opportunities, they’re both in there with the ones, they’re both in there with the twos, they’re both getting all these repetitions.”

And one will be first string.
 

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Well after reading all of the above, all I have to say about the Stanford/WSU game is Stanford -16.5/WSU** the strongest looking side bet so far with Oregon/Boise on its butt. We still may have at least WSU holding down the fade Washington system this season. The Huskies may have escaped.
 

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loving this thread, still unsure on what I'm gonna bet.

10 days until kickoff, excitement brewing. School started today

weather is perfect (upper 80's)
life is good

GL to all
and keep up the good work

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Thx Brian,

Just thought for those who didn't see what happened last yr. Here is what has the team so fired up for this game.

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I was @ Autzen last year...
was wearing green and gold but bet BSU. (lived in portland and or Vancouver WA for 7 years = my 2 fave teams)

One of my former coworkers roommate was on UO special teams last year. We sat in the friends and family section, 13 rows up on the eastside of stadium on the 40 yard line. (needless to say... AWESOME)

This game is gonna be insane. It is already way hyped up as the biggest game in BSU history. Tix are nearly impossible to get, I'm hoping for a field pass from one of the coaches (they frequent my restaurant on a very regular basis) Probably very high scoring... and most likely will come down to last possession/OT.

Now that I've found this thread I will keep you in the loop with any local news cuz I know you will do the same.

again, Good luck to you, and lets get some money, ideally lets have UO cover spread but lose game so us duck lovers win moolah, but BSU has chance for undefeated season, and maybe move into a better conf.
 

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No question in my mind that Boise belongs in the MWC and the MWC should be a BCS conference.
 

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Well after reading all of the above, all I have to say about the Stanford/WSU game is Stanford -16.5/WSU** the strongest looking side bet so far with Oregon/Boise on its butt. We still may have at least WSU holding down the fade Washington system this season. The Huskies may have escaped.


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August 24, 6:20 AM

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Assistant head coach Ron Lynn is encouraged by what he has seen from Stanford football camp. But he says there is a long way to go. I caught up with the co-defensive coordinator after practice last week to talk defense.

Q: How are things going form your perspective?
We are making progress. We are not there yet but we are making progress. Not as fast as we like, and you are never satisfied with it at this stage but we are probably online with where we need to be, but we would like to make it faster.

Q: What are the things you need to see to get to that next level of improvement?
We were just talking about the scrimmage the other day. We need to be able to every day be able to come out with some emotional up, some juice, guys flying around, nobody is going to be a great defense without that. You need to be able to bring that everyday so you know how guys are going to react under stress, and you know how they will react in a certain coverage or a certain run fit. If it is not juiced up then it is not going to happen the way it is going to happen in a game.

Q: Yesterday was a big day with a scrimmage, is there a let down on a day like today?
No, today was actually good. Coach Harbaugh gave them a pretty good evaluation last night of what he thought. The thing that was missing was the juice and it was from everyone’s side. The emotional up and that kind of thing. We understand after having been at this awhile that the number of practices and beating on one another takes it toll, but at the same time every time the scoreboard lights go on you have to go perform. So that is what we are trying to get across to them. Today was good though, a lot more energetic and focused because of what we talked about last night.

Q: Who is sticking out to you so far in camp?
There are a lot of guys, a lot of guys on offense too. I think some of the upper class guys are continuing to do some of the things we need them to do. Ekom Udofia has made a concerted effort to stay in for more plays, he working himself into much better condition. Snyder has some leadership obviously and Bo McNally is getting better. But the younger guys and the newer guys, and when I say younger guys like Richard Sherman who is younger at the position, but they are making strides. They are not there yet. Delano Howell is in the same boat, making strides. If we don’t leave them with the ones they will not get enough repetitions to get better. Are they going to be ones when the season starts? That remains to be seen. They are getting plenty of repetitions and I think they are learning. We are making the progress we need to make but we are never satisfied with the speed in which it comes.

Q: The depth chart now is about getting the reps?
It is about getting the reps for the guys that need the reps to get better. Not that everybody doesn’t, there are only so many reps you can get. And if you are trying to switch a guys position and both of them from one side of the ball to the other, especially in light of Delano who had 6 practices in the spring and then coming into this he has what, 12 more. So he has 18 practices on defense? That is not an awful lot. But we need to keep getting him as many as we can and force feeding them.

Q: How do you feel the progress of Sherman and Delano is coming along?
They are making progress. They are not there yet by any stretch of the imagination. But every day they are getting a little bit better. We try to give them a thing or two each day for them to focus on to improve and if they get that then we are making the progress we need to make.

Q: What about the defensive line, you mentioned Ekom but what about the rest of the line?
Erik Lorig plays his butt off, Tommy Keiser does, they are full motor guys. Tom McAndrew, Sione Fua, they are all those type of tough guys that will play like crazy. They give every ounce of everything they got, every play. And we need to have that from them.

Q: As you head into week number three, what is the next step for improvement besides the energy?
This is a critical week for cleaning up a lot of the things we have got. We have overloaded them a lot on some parts of the game. We have been very basic in some others. So now we need to clean up the parts that we have in, and complicate things at the other end and get those things to mesh before Washington State.
 

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The way that grabbed me is that they have really got their noses to the grindstone. I don't think I am being overly optimistic with their chances in the WSU spot. I have said for 2 years that Harbaugh has this team going in the right direction. Remember this is the same team that lost to a Div 1-AA school, UC Davis when Walt Harris coached there a few years ago. I don't need to qualify Harbaugh's accomplishments since then, but there is no reason whatsoever to think they will backslide. I also think this was largely about thier defense, primarily thier pass defense which has been their biggest weakness. WSU doesn't seem to know who can play QB as of yet, a freshman no one's heard of is outplaying everyone else? I think Stanford's secondary could wind up dodging the bullet.
 

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The way that grabbed me is that they have really got their noses to the grindstone. I don't think I am being overly optimistic with their chances in the WSU spot. I have said for 2 years that Harbaugh has this team going in the right direction. Remember this is the same team that lost to a Div 1-AA school, UC Davis when Walt Harris coached there a few years ago. I don't need to qualify Harbaugh's accomplishments since then, but there is no reason whatsoever to think they will backslide. I also think this was largely about thier defense, primarily thier pass defense which has been their biggest weakness. WSU doesn't seem to know who can play QB as of yet, a freshman no one's heard of is outplaying everyone else? I think Stanford's secondary could wind up dodging the bullet.

I agree . . .
 

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The way that grabbed me is that they have really got their noses to the grindstone. I don't think I am being overly optimistic with their chances in the WSU spot. I have said for 2 years that Harbaugh has this team going in the right direction. Remember this is the same team that lost to a Div 1-AA school, UC Davis when Walt Harris coached there a few years ago. I don't need to qualify Harbaugh's accomplishments since then, but there is no reason whatsoever to think they will backslide. I also think this was largely about thier defense, primarily thier pass defense which has been their biggest weakness. WSU doesn't seem to know who can play QB as of yet, a freshman no one's heard of is outplaying everyone else? I think Stanford's secondary could wind up dodging the bullet.


agree....wash st. may be the worst bcs conference team....fade them all year....
 

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will andrew luck will be a starting qb for stanford? His dad played for wvu and tons of people are pushing for him to be the next AD....luck is a very good player though....
 

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