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if current reports hold up, you will quickly see the figure go to -600 Over, +500 Under or higher on the exchanges.

If anyone is wondering what is the right time to arb back, I do not think that the time has come yet. That is what I have said all week, and I have been right.

The line has moved from 22 to 27 now (another line bump, if you haven't seen it yet). That is insane. It just shows that Pinny messed up. They're not infallible, guys. They're guessing/estimating/betting at the number just like us. And when they're wrong, they're just plain wrong.

I mean, when the line has gone to -200, that side has won 8-for-8 now. Probably more, but that's just since I started tracking it. Even -150 means it should be a win.

So if you're looking to arb/middle back, who knows...wait a little while, and it could be a line of 28, -280/+250, who knows, the way this thing is going? I don't want to keep repeating myself, so just read the above portions of the thread whenever the line bumped.

You get scalpers who bring it back down, but the value is on the Over. And anywhere near -200 on the Over has been money in the bank and an easy side to take so far. It would be a lock down free arb *and* free middle at any point. There has been no way to lose on the Over. Eventually you can close out your position right, if you're risk-averse, to lock in your win before lines close, but doing it before then has no value imo. And, of course, riding it out is probably the better play, as hedging is -EV, although it involves more variance.

So I see now reason to change my opinion from above. I posted way, way above in this thread that the fair line is 29. If Pinny wants to make only $1m adjustments and not get the true worth of the line moves, then that's their mistake. I'll take the Over until 29.
 

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I am on the over heavily now on every single line. Local theatres in my area have had huge presales for this and they are considering adding an extra screen. I think this will do $30 Million. The older age group the tracking wasn't really getting the best of numbers for seems to be steping up now and they are ready to go see this one this week. This thing will be huge. The over has value up to $30 Mill IMO.

-Brendan
 

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As just posted, I think this is still an Over.

I just took another position on Over 27 at near -200. This now gets my highest 4* play, just barely missing 5*. But it's strong, guys.

I think that the low -200's is still a bargain. If you liked the line at 25 or 26, even at -200, then it's still a deal at -200's for 27. Pinny is just not adjusting the line enough. This should be plainly obvious, as it should have bumped by $2m each time, not $1m. Otherwise, why has the line bumped *5* freaking times, from 22 to 27?!

Also, HPark linked the news reports showing super strong advance sales, to where they had to issue a press release. It's looking good, guys. I'm looking for near $30, and that's being conservative.
 

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just put some on 27, -180. Pretty large play now, lets hope its a Borat type phenomenen with it being decided after today.
 

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lucky me i got over 27 million at -220
now i have a bad feeling
 

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It has to be mostly scalpers and middlers right?? I mean does someone have any other opinions?
 

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TOK said:
It has to be mostly scalpers and middlers right?? I mean does someone have any other opinions?

Most likely although a few uninformed bettors might just look at tracking and predictions from other sites (most of which are mid 20's) and think there's some value because the number has gone up so much.

Lets see how this plays out...
 

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lucky me i got over 27 million at -220
now i have a bad feeling

No need to have a bad feeling. I bet there was a heck of a lot of middling going on because of how the line moved over 3 days.

I hit it for an over max bet when it dropped to -160.
 

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what time did pinny pull it otb just curious...i just got home and checked and it was otb....

it this point im hoping this movie blows everything away...esp WAM...

i missed the boat badly on this movie....you guys are setting pretty with your overs...i tip my cap to you all....
 

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Some of you need to not get so nervous, although most of you know what you're doing. Come on, man, the line goes up, up, and up all week, and then because it drops in the last 10 min before closing, you panic? Yes, it was a bunch of scalping and middling. That's obvious. Just about no one had the Under all week, except for scalpers who already had the Over. Otherwise the line wouldn't have jumped FIVE freaking times.

It said on the wager line when it would close. The rest of this weekend's movies will close at 9PT/12ET on Friday.

Okay, enough with that. On to better news.

So far, it looks like Rocky is doing really well. By my own internal calculation and reports, it should have a great opening Wednesday.

Line dropped a fair amount just before closing, so if you stealthily got in on a good Over position, congrats to you! And if you closed out winning Overs from previously, then congrats on locking in the win and not having to worry about anything. But I'm not too worried as is.

In fact, if Rocky continues to do really well today by the data I get, I may roll over some expected winnings into the Night at the Museum Over. Let's see how things go.
 

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I begged and pleaded with Tradesports and they emailed me and said they put up a $27mill five day line.

Can't access that site at work, what are the lines there right now?
 

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Wow, great stuff, Domer!

Looks like there's a bid and ask of 57.5 by 67.5.

That's -207 Over and +135 Under, at the exact same Pinny line. So if anyone here wants to buy more or sell more, for either more Over or to hedge your position, looks like there's some offers there. Some decent volume, at 50-100 shares offered on each side.

Domer, I was looking into doing the same thing with Matchbook, for some of these middles we were all talking about in this thread (even offered to give some to Husker and HPark, so they could take advantage of the Over!). But Matchbook appears to be uncommunicative and not really want more business. Odd approach for an exchange, but whatever. I'll pay attention to the TradeSports markets.
 

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Rocky hasn't had great matinee sales. I hope tonight picks up or the OVER will be disaster.
 

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i picked up 20 of those available on tradesports earlier...didnt even know they offered movie lines...thanks for the heads up llabb...had to open a new account but nice to have another out as wwts is no longer in business...

also trying to make something happen as im dead in the water on my NATM bet...
 

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I was successful. I'm gonna make something real interesting happen for all of us. Remember those middles you needed Husker? (and that I needed last week)

I got a way for you to exit a bad NATM position, and get onto a good one, I think. Working on it, I'll let you know.
 

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well i bought 10 more of rocky so im sitting on 30 now and i still have over 22 at pinny...as soon as my order went thru the line went to almost -300...

but just a heads up i went to greek for shits n giggles and the lines arent up YET...but they plan on offering (they SAY the maxs are 200)...some nice 1day XMAS totals on BC and Dreamgirls...and 4day totals on the others which is a little variance from pinnys #s...should be interesting...some money could be made on these...

Entertainment EXIT
Box Office Movie Releases - Opening - 1 Day Weekend December 25, 2006
12/25/2006 12:00 PM Dream Girls opening - 1 day weekend Maximum wager is $200.
107 Over million
108 Under million
12/25/2006 12:00 PM Black X Mas opening - 1 day weekend Maximum wager is $200.
109 Over million
110 Under million
Entertainment EXIT
Box Office Movie Releases - Opening - 4 Day Weekend December 22 - 25, 2006
12/22/2006 12:00 PM The Good Shepherd opening - 4 day weekend Maximum wager is $200.
101 Over million
102 Under million
12/22/2006 12:00 PM Night at the Museum opening - 4 day weekend Maximum wager is $200.
103 Over million
104 Under million
12/22/2006 12:00 PM We are Marshall opening - 4 day weekend Maximum wager is $200.
105 Over million
106 Under million
 

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good eye, probably wouldn't have caught this myself. Thought they were done.

fyi Final theatre counts are out. Nothing to surprising, both Shepard and Marshall get decent bumps.
 

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