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this has no credibility as a poll. .

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry.html

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]TIPP (1041 LV)[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]10/30 - 11/1[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]50.1%[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]48.0%[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]1.1%[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Bush +2.1[/FONT]​
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No credibility.. Non whatsoever.


Final Gallup Registered Voters Poll? Kerry 48 - Bush 46
 

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He'll nationalize banks too ...

That being said, the problem isn't Obama as much as it will be Relosi and Reid ... but as much as the GOP wants to raise that issue now, I didn't hear much complaining from them when Frist, Hastert and Bushie were in power.

The GOP fuckt this country for 6 years with one party rule ... now it looks like the Dems will ... but ANYTHING is better than Sarah Palin as President. THAT would be a travesty.
The problem is the system is broken and neither McCain or Obama are going to fix it.
 

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The GOP fuckt this country for 6 years with one party rule ... now it looks like the Dems will ...


Heh.. The problem is GOP had complete control and they started behaving like Democrats.

GOP only feels like playing the conservative role when they are out of power. :ohno:. We are fucked.
 

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry.html

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]TIPP (1041 LV)[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]10/30 - 11/1[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]50.1%[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]48.0%[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]1.1%[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Bush +2.1[/FONT]​
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No credibility.. Non whatsoever.


Final Gallup Registered Voters Poll? Kerry 48 - Bush 46

Another cherry picker, so i will post all of the national polls which shows a national average 7 pt lead for obama:

Polling Data

<table class="data"><tbody><tr><th class="noCenter">Poll</th><th class="date">Date</th><th>Sample</th><th>Obama (D)</th><th>McCain (R)</th><th class="spread">Spread</th></tr><tr class="rcpAvg"><td class="noCenter">RCP Average</td><td>10/07 - 10/14</td><td>--</td><td>50.0</td><td>42.3</td><td class="spread">Obama +7.7</td></tr><tr class="alt"><td class="noCenter">Rasmussen Tracking</td><td>10/12 - 10/14</td><td>3000 LV</td><td>50</td><td>45</td><td class="spread">Obama +5</td></tr><tr><td class="noCenter">Reuters/C-Span/Zogby Tracking</td><td>10/12 - 10/14</td><td>1210 LV</td><td>48</td><td>44</td><td class="spread">Obama +4</td></tr><tr class="alt"><td class="noCenter">Hotline/FD Tracking</td><td>10/12 - 10/14</td><td>823 LV</td><td>49</td><td>41</td><td class="spread">Obama +8</td></tr><tr><td class="noCenter">LA Times/Bloomberg</td><td>10/10 - 10/13</td><td>1030 LV</td><td>50</td><td>41</td><td class="spread">Obama +9</td></tr><tr class="alt"><td class="noCenter">GW/Battleground Tracking</td><td>10/08 - 10/14</td><td>800 LV</td><td>51</td><td>43</td><td class="spread">Obama +8</td></tr><tr><td class="noCenter">CBS News/NY Times</td><td>10/10 - 10/13</td><td>699 LV</td><td>53</td><td>39</td><td class="spread">Obama +14</td></tr><tr class="alt"><td class="noCenter">Gallup Tracking (Traditional)*</td><td>10/11 - 10/13</td><td>2140 LV</td><td>51</td><td>45</td><td class="spread">Obama +6</td></tr><tr><td class="noCenter">Gallup Tracking (Expanded)*</td><td>10/11 - 10/13</td><td>2289 LV</td><td>53</td><td>43</td><td class="spread">Obama +10</td></tr><tr class="alt"><td class="noCenter">IBD/TIPP Tracking</td><td>10/07 - 10/13</td><td>825 LV</td><td>45</td><td>42</td><td class="spread">Obama +3</td></tr><tr><td class="noCenter">USA Today/Gallup (Traditional)*</td><td>10/10 - 10/12</td><td>761 LV</td><td>50</td><td>46</td><td class="spread">Obama +4</td></tr><tr class="alt"><td class="noCenter">USA Today/Gallup (Expanded)*</td><td>10/10 - 10/12</td><td>1030 LV</td><td>52</td><td>45</td><td class="spread">Obama +7</td></tr><tr><td class="noCenter">ABC News/Wash Post</td><td>10/08 - 10/11</td><td>766 LV</td><td>53</td><td>43</td><td class="spread">Obama +10</td></tr><tr class="alt"><td class="noCenter">FOX News</td><td>10/08 - 10/09</td><td>900 RV</td><td>46</td><td>39</td><td class="spread">Obama +7</td></tr><tr><td class="noCenter">Newsweek</td><td>10/08 - 10/09</td><td>1035 RV</td><td>52</td><td>41</td><td class="spread">Obama +11</td></tr></tbody></table>
 

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Gallup Tracking traditional LV's is actually 3.

The Hotline, LA Tmes, Battleground, CBS/NYT, Wash Post, Newsweek are all VASTLY overstating Democrat turnout. They are garbage and shouldn't even be used in any average sample.

Rasmussen/Zogby/Tipp are the only reliable pollsters out. They were on in 2004.

But if you want to keep citing bogus samples to make yourself feel better, be my guest.
 

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The Hotline, LA Tmes, Battleground, CBS/NYT, Wash Post, Newsweek are all VASTLY overstating Democrat turnout.

Any link to this?

I am not trying to bust your balls ... just wondering if this could be true.

On the other hand, if you picked it out of your ass, that's ok ... just say so.
 

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Any link to this?

I am not trying to bust your balls ... just wondering if this could be true.

On the other hand, if you picked it out of your ass, that's ok ... just say so.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/163337 Obama +11%

Democrat 38% - Republican 25% .. Now CMON! The Democrats have never had greater than a 4% edge in this for over 40 years (and 2004 it was dead even).

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/oct08b-politics.pdf

Democrat 37% - Republican 29%


http://www.latimes.com/media/acrobat/2008-10/42843176.pdf

Democrat 34% - Republican 26%


Do I have to go on? Show me election exit poll data where Republicans didn't turn out atleast 35% of the vote.

In 1992 when we were in a recession with a Republican president in the White House it was Democrat 38%, Republican 35%. http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_92.html

Republicans haven't turned out less than 35% for 40 years and we're suppose to believe they're not going to get 30% this year? What a joke.

I'm not saying we're not behind.. But this double digit crap is complete and total rubbish.
 
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Republicans haven't turned out less than 35% for 40 years and we're suppose to believe they're not going to get 30% this year? What a joke.

I'm not saying we're not behind.. But this double digit crap is complete and total rubbish.


Yup ... that's the whole debate right now.

The Dems say that this is a function of Obama's drive for voter registration ... time will tell.

Maybe people are taking Obama's campaign for a ride and "claiming" to have registered voters ... fully knowing that those people will never vote ... especially if they're being paid by the number.
 

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Yup ... that's the whole debate right now.

The Dems say that this is a function of Obama's drive for voter registration ... time will tell.

Maybe people are taking Obama's campaign for a ride and "claiming" to have registered voters ... fully knowing that those people will never vote ... especially if they're being paid by the number.


We heard that in 2004 though. Kerry had a massive youth push. Democrats were angry, they were getting out the vote. We heard everything leading up to election day about the "huge Kerry get out the vote effort" and on election day there was "massive turnout" and the media kept spinning their myth that this must be good for Democrats and the media was in glee writing GWB's obituary before the first vote was counted.

Any poll with that has Republicans weighted less than 34% cannot be taken seriously, much less ones that have it at, 25-29% which is BEYOND absurd.
 

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Excerpt from Coulter column on polling history:

In 1976, Jimmy Carter narrowly beat Gerald Ford 50.1 percent to 48 percent. And yet, on Sept. 1, Carter led Ford by 15 points. Just weeks before the election, on Oct. 16, 1976, Carter led Ford in the Gallup Poll by 6 percentage points -- down from his 33-point Gallup Poll lead in August.

Reading newspaper coverage of presidential elections in 1980 and 1984, I found myself paralyzed by the fear that Reagan was going to lose.

In 1980, Ronald Reagan beat Carter by nearly 10 points, 51 percent to 41 percent. In a Gallup Poll released days before the election on Oct. 27, it was Carter who led Reagan 45 percent to 42 percent.

In 1984, Reagan walloped Walter Mondale 58.8 percent to 40 percent, -- the largest electoral landslide in U.S. history. But on Oct. 15, The New York Daily News published a poll showing Mondale with only a 4-point deficit to Reagan, 45 percent to 41 percent. A Harris Poll about the same time showed Reagan with only a 9-point lead. The Oct. 19 New York Times/CBS News Poll had Mr. Reagan ahead of Mondale by 13 points. All these polls underestimated Reagan's actual margin of victory by 6 to 15 points.

In 1988, George H.W. Bush beat Michael Dukakis by a whopping 53.4 percent to 45.6 percent. A New York Times/CBS News Poll on Oct. 5 had Bush leading the Greek homunculus by a statistically insignificant 2 points -- 45 percent to 43 percent. (For the kids out there: Before it became a clearinghouse for anti-Bush conspiracy theories, CBS News was considered a credible journalistic entity.)

A week later -- or one tank ride later, depending on who's telling the story -- on Oct. 13, Bush was leading Dukakis in The New York Times Poll by a mere 5 points.

Admittedly, a 3- to 6-point error is not as crazily wrong as the 6- to 15-point error in 1984. But it's striking that even small "margin of error" mistakes never seem to benefit Republicans.

In 1992, Bill Clinton beat the first President Bush 43 percent to 37.7 percent. (Ross Perot got 18.9 percent of Bush's voters that year.) On Oct. 18, a Newsweek Poll had Clinton winning 46 percent to 31 percent, and a CBS News Poll showed Clinton winning 47 percent to 35 percent.

So in 1992, the polls had Clinton 12 to 15 points ahead, but he won by only 5.3 points.
In 1996, Bill Clinton beat Bob Dole 49 percent to 40 percent. And yet on Oct. 22, 1996, The New York Times/CBS News Poll showed Clinton leading by a massive 22 points, 55 percent to 33 percent.
In 2000, which I seem to recall as being fairly close, the October polls accurately described the election as a virtual tie, with either Bush or Al Gore 1 or 2 points ahead in various polls. But in one of the latest polls to give either candidate a clear advantage, The New York Times/CBS News Poll on Oct. 3, 2000, showed Gore winning by 45 percent to 39 percent.
 

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The last thing people on this forum need is a column from Cunter to explain something ... she's yesterday's news.

Are you that filled with hatred and irrationality, you cannot even debate the content?

Please.. I don't mind having discussions with some of you guys, but then you go off into your radical hatred tantrums.
 

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http://www.newsweek.com/id/163337 Obama +11%

Democrat 38% - Republican 25% .. Now CMON! The Democrats have never had greater than a 4% edge in this for over 40 years (and 2004 it was dead even).

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/oct08b-politics.pdf

Democrat 37% - Republican 29%


http://www.latimes.com/media/acrobat/2008-10/42843176.pdf

Democrat 34% - Republican 26%


Do I have to go on? Show me election exit poll data where Republicans didn't turn out atleast 35% of the vote.

In 1992 when we were in a recession with a Republican president in the White House it was Democrat 38%, Republican 35%. http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_92.html

Republicans haven't turned out less than 35% for 40 years and we're suppose to believe they're not going to get 30% this year? What a joke.

I'm not saying we're not behind.. But this double digit crap is complete and total rubbish.

lol...markie, if you're going to repeat your posts almost verbatim from fall 2006, just do a simple Copy/Paste which leaves more time to insert giggling smiley guys.
 

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The last thing people on this forum need is a column from Cunter to explain something ... she's yesterday's news.

as he totally ignores the simple truths within the post.

doesn't even mention Kerry's election day landslide either
 

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as he totally ignores the simple truths within the post.

doesn't even mention Kerry's election day landslide either

Sigh ... it's because I really don't even read what she writes ... kinda like how I don't read what you write about the economy and polls.
 

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Sigh ... it's because I really don't even read what she writes ... kinda like how I don't read what you write about the economy and polls.

Then what exactly are you responding to when you quote and then respond? Is that something like not responding to somebody about something as you respond seven more times?

Why are all posters now citing LVs? Why do they waste their own time and ask more questions to try and determine LVs when RVs are more accurate? Didn't they get your memo? What changed between last week and this week? Is it something like "on the 21st day before the election, not the 19th or the 28th, polls using LVs become more accurate"?

You do crack me up.
 

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