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Random thoughts:

DEN at CLE (line CLE -5.5, 200) -- LeBron must be sick and tired of losing to Melo...5 straight and 8 of 10 overall...LeBron on an absolute tear as CLE has won 5 straight (3-2 ATS) with 4 straight Overs...Denver doing just fine, thank you, without Iverson as Billups has come aboard, and despite struggling (shooting 28% in 3 games with DEN), the Nuggets are 3-0 SU & ATS since Billups and McDyess (who hasn't played yet) came over...DEN Under their last 2 games, but they were against MEMP & CHAR and the pace of both games were extremely slow...Nuggets go to Boston on Friday, so this is a tough 2-day stretch...Looks like a stay-away game for me...

DAL at CHI (no line) -- DAL has lost 3 straight and Josh Howard is questionable as of now...The Mavs have had success in CHI, winning 8 of their last 9 trips into the Windy City...Will the Mavs have a slight let-down after playing the Lakers very tough at home last time out?...Bulls have lost 2 straight Home games, going Over both games...DAL Over their last 3...Kinda lean to the Bulls and the Over right now, but this may be another no-play...

DET @ GS (no line) -- Stuckey questionable for DET (although I read somewhere he won't play) and Maggette questionable for GS...Pistons started with 5 Overs and now have 2 straight Unders...GS Over all 4 Home games and Under all 4 Away games (in regulation, there was 1 OT-aided Over)...GS Over in the 1Q every home game...DET has gone Over 6 of their 7 games in the 3Q...Depending on the line, I think this can be an Under, but I would take the 1Q Over as again, I compare GS Home games to SAC Home games this year so far, and although DET pushed in the 1Q against SAC at SAC last time out, the pace was an Over pace, DET just shot terrible in the 1Q (7-for-23 from the field and 3-6 from the FT line)...SAC had 24 shots and 3 FTs in that 1Q...And as we know, GS Home games have had frenetic paces in the 1Q...DET has shown a propensity to get sucked in to the up-tempo style at times so far, although if they need to, they will slow it down and go to a half-court set like they did in the 4Q against SAC...And GS games, Home and Away, have been very slow-paced in the 4Q more often than not, with yet another example last time out vs. Minny...These totals are both teams combined:

1Q -- 50 shots, 7 FTs
2Q -- 41 shots, 17 FTs
3Q -- 50 shots, 7 FTs
4Q -- 35 shots, 13 FTs

And GS has had many low-scoring 4Qs this season, going Under in the 4Q 7 of 8 games...So to me, this game should go Over in the 1Q & 3Q and Under in the 4Q, while the 2Q is a toss-up, but I'd take it Under...

DET won and covered both gams last year h2h vs. GS, winning by 7 at GS, although GS had covered 11 of the previous 12 meetings before last season...

DET may have a look-ahead to the Lakers, who they play on Friday at Staples...

If I have a bet, it'll be on this game...
 

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Nice pick on Houston :toast:. I appreciate all of the hard work you put into your write-ups :103631605


Gotta love those money line dogs. If you like a team at +3 or +4, you are really saying you think they're gonna win SU. About the only way those points are gonna matter is if they lose on a last second shot (i.e. they come down to the wire, it doesn't become a free throw contest, and you end up on the wrong end). And when you're getting +150, you only need to win 40% of your picks to break even.

Do you keep track of "points that matter" data? ACE-ACE keeps track on pro foots and its right at 16%. I'd be interested to know how often the points matter in the NBA for dogs of 5 points or less ...
 

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mcdyess wont play for denver. they are going to buy him out and its looking like he will end up back in detroit.
cleveland should control the pace and shouldnt have too much trouble putting up 100+ here so the over looks good to me. while denver is 6-1 ats, they have a measly 1.4 ppg margin of victory. this is still on the + side, and they are +4 on the road, but the 2 victories are vs char and lac. there is also the look ahead to bos that you mentioned.
its still a little difficult to cap denver due to the loss of the run and gun iverson and the slower play of billups, but as stated, i like the over and cle.
 

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that page is no longer available there...

I did notice that they are having a problem with the NBA and NCAABB pages. But it still works on the NFL and NCAAFB pages. Hope it is only temporary.

Nice job with houston.

Thanks Sandman for the link.
 

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Nice call on the Rockets last night Brewers7! I took the points not the ML but Ill take it.
Thanks
 

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Nice pick on Houston :toast:. I appreciate all of the hard work you put into your write-ups :103631605


Gotta love those money line dogs. If you like a team at +3 or +4, you are really saying you think they're gonna win SU. About the only way those points are gonna matter is if they lose on a last second shot (i.e. they come down to the wire, it doesn't become a free throw contest, and you end up on the wrong end). And when you're getting +150, you only need to win 40% of your picks to break even.

Do you keep track of "points that matter" data? ACE-ACE keeps track on pro foots and its right at 16%. I'd be interested to know how often the points matter in the NBA for dogs of 5 points or less ...

Site super-slow today, will try posting this for the 2nd time...

I was a Sports Writer for several years in the past, so doing write-ups isn't "hard work" for me, I wish I had more time to do better write-ups...

I looked in my database (which has closing lines) and to this point, there have been 116 games and the spread has mattered 25 times (1 push) for a rate of 21.6%...

I have the day-by-day breakdown if you want that...
 

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Do you keep track of "points that matter" data? ACE-ACE keeps track on pro foots and its right at 16%. I'd be interested to know how often the points matter in the NBA for dogs of 5 points or less ...

I just noticed you asked for DOGS of 5 or less...What I posted was ALL games...

I'll go back and look at 5 points or less and post that later today or tonight...
 

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I just noticed you asked for DOGS of 5 or less...What I posted was ALL games...

I'll go back and look at 5 points or less and post that later today or tonight...

Thanks B. I generally like to take the ML on dogs with a relatively low point spread, but I like to give the points with the favorite.

I guess I'm asking what you answered, the points mattered in about 21% of games. But I'm also interested, what was the percentage for games with a point spread of 5 or less?
 

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Amateurs work until they get it right...Professionals work until they can't get it wrong... =======================================================================
Pride and Poise...Commitment to Excellence...Striving towards handicapping perfection...
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Preseason bets: 5-1, +$395 (flat-bet for $100) | All picks: 62-41-2 | #1 picks: 12-7
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Bets record:
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Level 3 bets (starting BR = 10K) -- Record: 0-0
Level 2 bets (starting BR = 10K) -- Record: 0-0
Level 1 bets (starting BR = 10K) -- Record: 9-7, +$335
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Strict Betting Rules are posted here: Link
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Sides: 56-58-2
#1 picks: 10-6

Totals: 64-52
#1 picks: 4-12
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Day 17:

Totals went 9-2 last night after an 8-0 night the night before as the Sides have gone in the tank the same 2 days, but the money play won last night (#1 side)...Last 6 bets are 5-1...I realize I am playing it careful, but I feel like I am close to breaking out, and then you'l see more bets and some Level 2 bets...

Random thoughts already posted...I really, really want to bet Det/GS over 50.5 in the 1Q, but will pass, only because Detroit has had some slow-paced 1Q's...It is very hard for me not to bet it with GS going Over every 1Q so far this year at Home, but with 153 days left in the regular season, there'll be plenty of opportunities to get some wins...


Sides:

#1 Chi Pk
#2 Det -4.5
#3 Den +7

Totals:

#1 Chi ov 200.5
#2 Den ov 199
#3 Det un 199.5


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Thanks for the insight. I spent the first five years I gambled having many ups and downs and my lack of disipline was my downfall. Although I have been much better the past year and regulate my bets by percentage of my bankroll, I still ahve a long way to go with game selection. Reading your thread keeps things in perspective for me and I find it a great help.

Thanks for the effort.:toast:
 

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You are welcome, sir, and GL...

Quick random thoughts:

Despite 5 games not even having lines out yet, there are 4 totals jumping out at me already...Question is, how mnay do I bet?...

Spurs/Rockets at 172, although it looks like it might slide up a point or so, but I think it'll come back down...I want to bet this right now, but I'll wait till I wake up and see if it gets to 173 or 173.5 first...My dumbest non-bet of the year last time out when they were my top total Under against Milwaukee 2 days ago...My logic was simple: The Knicks/Spurs game the night before finished at 172, and we're talking the D'Antoni up-tempo Knicks and they were way Under, scoring 172, so how the hell were the Bucks and Spurs even going to get anywhere near the Vegas line of 181.5??...And I make it my #1 total and don't even bet it...Dumb...Now we have Houston and the Vegas total is 172...Same question: How does this get to 172??...These 2 teams h2h have gone Under 22 of the last 28 meetings, 7 of 8 and 11 of 13...Skip their last meeting where they scored 197 late last season (where they decided to run around at a fast pace for some reason on a Sunday afternoon) and these 2 teams have gone Over 176 just once in the previous 19 meetings (not including March 30, 2008)...Now there's no Parker or Ginobili...How do we get to 172 here?...

Despite the fact that the Thunder stink and they had plenty of Unders early on (opened with 4 straight Unders), their pace has been quick almost every game...They simply couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat...But notice they are improving their FG% a bit and have gone Over 3 of 4 and this could be a shot-fest at MSG, it's just a matter of how many are going in...Like the Over...

Pistons/Lakers 4 straight Unders h2h, and this has Under written all over it...Lakers MUCH improved defensively with Bynum and Ariza healthy...With their height, it's tough to get second chances against them as they clean up the boards...Lakers are #1 in the league in rebounds per game and 2nd (behind Philly) in Rebounds-per-game differential...Lakers 2nd in the league in FG% allowed...Detroit is in the middle of the pack in rebounds per game, but they are 3rd in Rebounds-per-game differential, right behind LAL...Just don't see this game hitting 190 and the total is 193 right now, destined to drop, IMO...

Phoe/Sac another total I will consider, on the Over of course...PHOE was 1st in the league in FG% before hitting a slide starting with the game at CHI...Suns shot just 37.6% vs. HOU last time out and I do expect them to break out of their little shooting slump against SAC, who is 25th in FG% allowed...PHOE is 19th...And as far as FG% on offense, these teams are 1st and 2nd in the league (Phoe 1st and Sac 2nd)...Might look at a 1Q Over...
 

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Amateurs work until they get it right...Professionals work until they can't get it wrong... =======================================================================
Pride and Poise...Commitment to Excellence...Striving towards handicapping perfection...
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Preseason bets: 5-1, +$395 (flat-bet for $100) | All picks: 62-41-2 | #1 picks: 12-7
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Bets record:
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Level 3 bets (starting BR = 10K) -- Record: 0-0
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Strict Betting Rules are posted here: Link
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Sides: 58-59-2
#1 picks: 11-6

Totals: 65-54
#1 picks: 4-13
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Day 18:

Random thoughts already posted...I like my top 6 totals, don't like any sides, really...Interesting how totals are jumping out at me now after that wasn't the case the first 2 weeks and now the sides are not jumping out t much after doing so the first 2 weeks...I just cannot bring myself to bet 3-to-6 games yet...We'll see how my top 6 totals do tonight and if they do well, then maybe I'll start pulling the trigger more...I really don't know why I am not betting the SA game Under again, I blew it last time and it looks like free money again, but I'll just stick with the #1 total...Matchbook didn't have a lot of different options for lines tday from what I saw, so I had to bet the freaking -110 juice...


Sides:

#1 Was +6.5
#2 Dal -1.5
#3 Memp -4.5
#4 LAL -9.5
#5 Char +4
#6 Phi +1
#7 Port +7
#8 OKC +8.5
#9 Den +10
#10 Atl -3.5
#11 Sac +4
#12 SA +6

Totals:

#1 LAL un 194.5
#2 SA un 173
#3 OKC ov 209
#4 Sac ov 20
#5 Dal ov 198
#6 Was ov 196.5
#7 Char un 178.5
#8 Memp ov 189.5
#9 Den un 197
#10 Atl ov 191
#11 Port un 191
#12 Phi ov 197.5

BET:

Level 1 -- Detroit/L.A. Lakers under 194.5, laying $275 to win $250 --
Lakers MUCH improved defensively with Bynum and Ariza healthy...With their height, it's tough to get second chances against them as they clean up the boards...Lakers are #1 in the league in rebounds per game and 2nd (behind Philly) in Rebounds-per-game differential...Lakers 2nd in the league in FG% allowed...Detroit is in the middle of the pack in rebounds per game, but they are 3rd in Rebounds-per-game differential, right behind LAL...I also think there is the potential for the Lakers to blow this team out, which would lend credence to the Under...After seeing Biedrins (center from GS) more or less having his way in the middle last night against Detroit, I wonder how they are going to stop Bynum and Gasol...

Again, at Level 1, I am betting to win 2.5% of that starting bankroll...If the bankroll changes a bit as the season progresses, then the betting amount will change...

GL...

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Please note: [COLOR=#ff000]Actual game results may vary from the opinions stated above...[/COLOR]
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Database sample links: TeamSample, SeasonSample
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Words of advice: Past results do not guarantee future performance...Tail me when I am hot...
Fade me when I am cold...Nobody wins every day...Only bet what you can afford to lose...
Try not to chase losses...Tomorrow is another day...This is a marathon, not a sprint...
Patience and Persistence...Do your homework...Use Money Management…Stay humble…
Bet with your head, not over it...Act professional…
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Thank you, sir...

ADDED BET:

Level 1 -- Houston/San Antonio under 173, laying $260 to win $250 --
With the suspension of PG Rafer Alston, I can no longer pass on this under...Again, my logic is simple: The Knicks/Spurs game finished at 172, and we're talking the D'Antoni up-tempo Knicks and they were way Under, scoring 172, so how the hell do the Rockets and Spurs reach 173?....These 2 teams h2h have gone Under 22 of the last 28 meetings, 7 of 8 and 11 of 13...Skip their last meeting where they scored 197 late last season (where they decided to run around at a fast pace for some reason on a Sunday afternoon) and these 2 teams have gone Over 176 just once in the previous 19 meetings (not including March 30, 2008)...Now there's no Parker or Ginobili for SA and no Alston for HOU...BOTH starting point-guards missing tonight...Under...

Again, at Level 1, I am betting to win 2.5% of that starting bankroll...If the bankroll changes a bit as the season progresses, then the betting amount will change...

GL...

With Nash suspended for PHOE, I am also changing that pick to an Under, so the list now goes like this for the totals:

Totals:

#1 LAL un 194.5
#2 SA un 173
#3 OKC ov 209
#4 Dal ov 198
#5 Was ov 196.5
#6 Char un 178.5
#7 Sac un 205
#8 Memp ov 189.5
#9 Den un 197
#10 Atl ov 191
#11 Port un 191
#12 Phi ov 197.5
 

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Level 1 -- Utah/Charlotte under 180, laying $252.50 to win $250 --
With Kirilenko, Okur & Deron Williams OUT for Utah and Jason Richardson is OUT for Charlotte...CHAR Under 4 straight and 6-of-7 overall and Utah is Under 3 straight now...Any time a star PG is out (Williams for Utah) I immediately look to the under...Cannot help but take this one...

Again, at Level 1, I am betting to win 2.5% of that starting bankroll...If the bankroll changes a bit as the season progresses, then the betting amount will change...

GL...
 

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ADDED BET:

Level 1 -- Utah/Charlotte under 180, laying $252.50 to win $250 --
With Kirilenko, Okur & Deron Williams OUT for Utah and Jason Richardson is OUT for Charlotte...CHAR Under 4 straight and 6-of-7 overall and Utah is Under 3 straight now...Any time a star PG is out (Williams for Utah) I immediately look to the under...Cannot help but take this one...

Again, at Level 1, I am betting to win 2.5% of that starting bankroll...If the bankroll changes a bit as the season progresses, then the betting amount will change...

GL...

Is there still value at 178.5?
 

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