more scientists caught manipulating data to prove global warming

akphidelt · Sep 22, 2014

pubguy said:
The American Meteorological Society agrees the science isn't settled. The rank and file were surveyed and produced much different results than the "official" opinion.

http://judithcurry.com/2012/03/06/ams-members-surveyed-on-global-warming/

Not even an argument anymore.

akphidelt · Sep 22, 2014

Hmmmm, do we listen to NASA, the group responsible for creating satellites, spacecraft that can reach Mars.... or do we listen to resident obsessed birther loon Sheriff Joe and racist supporter festeringZit? Very very difficult decision. One that I must ponder for a while.

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According to Norman Loeb, an atmospheric scientist at NASA's Langley Research Center in Hampton, Virginia, and the principal investigator of a space-borne sensor called the Clouds and Earth's Radiant Energy System, or CERES, the answer is almost certainly no.

"Heating is still going on," he said. "It's just not in terms of the surface air temperature."

Loeb explained the science behind that statement Tuesday, Aug. 5, during a talk at NASA Langley titled "The Recent Pause in Global Warming: A Temporary Blip or Something More Permanent?"

Though Loeb believes there are a handful of short-term factors that drive changes in surface air temperature, like the El Niño and La Niña phenomena that cause temperature fluctuations in the tropical eastern Pacific approximately every two years, he thinks there is a longer term factor that is a significant and overlooked contributor.
"The Pacific Decadal Oscillation affects surface temperature," Loeb said. "It's a pattern of temperature shifts, primarily over the Pacific, that occurs about every 20 or 30 years."

Historically, those shifts have coincided with changes in surface temperature.

"The Pacific Decadal Oscillation has a very distinctive pattern. During the positive phase, surface temperature rises more rapidly," he said. "During the negative phase, the rate of temperature increase slows down, hence a hiatus. It's very compelling when you see the actual observations."

Loeb showed measurements during his talk demonstrating steady increases in surface air temperature from 1920 to 1940 and again from 1976 to 2000, periods when the decadal oscillation was in a positive phase. From 1940 to 1975, and again beginning in 2001, temperatures leveled out in concert with negative oscillation phases.

Surface air temperatures have increased by approximately 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit since the early 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century. On this timescale, the hiatuses look like short ledges along a graph of global average surface air temperature with an otherwise steep upward slope.

"You can't just look at short periods of time," Loeb said. "You have to look at the record over a long period of time to see the pattern. There will be natural fluctuations at shorter time scales, but we really shouldn't conclude that that's a change and global warming is going away."

Even as surface air temperatures are currently holding relatively steady, Loeb believes there's still another issue to take into consideration.
"Observations are showing us the planet is still taking up heat, but it is just showing up in a different place," he said.
That different place is the ocean.

In other words, as humans and nature continue to apply pressure to the Earth's climate through increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, temperatures are still rising. But as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation briefly tames temperatures at the planet's surface, the oceans are where the real heating is happening.

"If you add extra heat to the Earth system, approximately 93 percent of that extra heat ends up stored in the ocean, and the ocean is very deep," Loeb said. "When we look at air temperature, we are just looking at the surface. There's a whole deep ocean where heat can be stored."

http://climate.nasa.gov/news/1141/

Dave007inVegas · Sep 22, 2014

akphidelt said:
Not even an argument anymore.

And yet you continue to redundantly opine.

akphidelt · Sep 22, 2014

Dave007inVegas said:
And yet you continue to redundantly opine.

It's a confidence boost to me. I was raised around educated people my entire life, so you weren't allowed to just say dumb shit and get away with it. Here, I get to deal with the real bottom feeders of this country. Amazes me how dumb grown adults can actually be. Like you guys seriously believe the shit you say. It is so much fun. Like a science experiment.

SheriffJoe · Sep 22, 2014

akphidelt said:
It's a confidence boost to me. I was raised around educated people my entire life, so you weren't allowed to just say dumb shit and get away with it. Here, I get to deal with the real bottom feeders of this country. Amazes me how dumb grown adults can actually be. Like you guys seriously believe the shit you say. It is so much fun. Like a science experiment.

Makes perfect sense

pubguy · Sep 22, 2014

So Gavin Schmidt at NASA GISS announced August was the warmest on record. (this was good enough for the press releases just prior to the climate summit) Then he immediately backtracked. Of course that will not ever make it to a press release.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/august-2014-is-no-longer-the-hottest-on-record/

And here is the August update from UAH, you know the guys that actually developed the satellite lower troposphere temperature measuring product.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/09/uah-global-temperature-update-for-august-2014-0-20-deg-c/

akphidelt · Sep 22, 2014

99% of scientific organizations throughout the world agree with man made global warming. But Breitbart and the Dailycaller doesn't. Lmao!!!

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[h=4]Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations[/h] "Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (2009)2
[h=4]American Association for the Advancement of Science[/h] "The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (2006)3
[h=4]American Chemical Society[/h] "Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)4
[h=4]American Geophysical Union[/h] "Human‐induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007, 2012, 2013)5
[h=4]American Medical Association[/h] "Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2013)6
[h=4]American Meteorological Society[/h] "It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide." (2012)7
[h=4]American Physical Society[/h] "The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." (2007)8
[h=4]The Geological Society of America[/h] "The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s." (2006; revised 2010)9

[url]http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
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akphidelt · Sep 22, 2014

pubguy said:
So Gavin Schmidt at NASA GISS announced August was the warmest on record. (this was good enough for the press releases just prior to the climate summit) Then he immediately backtracked. Of course that will not ever make it to a press release.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/august-2014-is-no-longer-the-hottest-on-record/

And here is the August update from UAH, you know the guys that actually developed the satellite lower troposphere temperature measuring product.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/09/uah-global-temperature-update-for-august-2014-0-20-deg-c/

Lol, you can't even get your sources right. He did not backtrack on anything. They are just using a different method of measuring temperature based on all the data that was gathered.

Dave007inVegas · Sep 22, 2014

akphidelt said:
It's a confidence boost to me. I was raised around educated people my entire life, so you weren't allowed to just say dumb shit and get away with it. Here, I get to deal with the real bottom feeders of this country. Amazes me how dumb grown adults can actually be. Like you guys seriously believe the shit you say. It is so much fun. Like a science experiment.

pubguy · Sep 22, 2014

akphidelt said:
Hmmmm, do we listen to NASA, the group responsible for creating satellites, spacecraft that can reach Mars.... or do we listen to resident obsessed birther loon Sheriff Joe and racist supporter festeringZit? Very very difficult decision. One that I must ponder for a while.

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According to Norman Loeb, an atmospheric scientist at NASA's Langley Research Center in Hampton, Virginia, and the principal investigator of a space-borne sensor called the Clouds and Earth's Radiant Energy System, or CERES, the answer is almost certainly no.

"Heating is still going on," he said. "It's just not in terms of the surface air temperature."

Loeb explained the science behind that statement Tuesday, Aug. 5, during a talk at NASA Langley titled "The Recent Pause in Global Warming: A Temporary Blip or Something More Permanent?"

Though Loeb believes there are a handful of short-term factors that drive changes in surface air temperature, like the El Niño and La Niña phenomena that cause temperature fluctuations in the tropical eastern Pacific approximately every two years, he thinks there is a longer term factor that is a significant and overlooked contributor.
"The Pacific Decadal Oscillation affects surface temperature," Loeb said. "It's a pattern of temperature shifts, primarily over the Pacific, that occurs about every 20 or 30 years."

Historically, those shifts have coincided with changes in surface temperature.

"The Pacific Decadal Oscillation has a very distinctive pattern. During the positive phase, surface temperature rises more rapidly," he said. "During the negative phase, the rate of temperature increase slows down, hence a hiatus. It's very compelling when you see the actual observations."

Loeb showed measurements during his talk demonstrating steady increases in surface air temperature from 1920 to 1940 and again from 1976 to 2000, periods when the decadal oscillation was in a positive phase. From 1940 to 1975, and again beginning in 2001, temperatures leveled out in concert with negative oscillation phases.

Surface air temperatures have increased by approximately 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit since the early 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century. On this timescale, the hiatuses look like short ledges along a graph of global average surface air temperature with an otherwise steep upward slope.

"You can't just look at short periods of time," Loeb said. "You have to look at the record over a long period of time to see the pattern. There will be natural fluctuations at shorter time scales, but we really shouldn't conclude that that's a change and global warming is going away."

Even as surface air temperatures are currently holding relatively steady, Loeb believes there's still another issue to take into consideration.
"Observations are showing us the planet is still taking up heat, but it is just showing up in a different place," he said.
That different place is the ocean.

In other words, as humans and nature continue to apply pressure to the Earth's climate through increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, temperatures are still rising. But as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation briefly tames temperatures at the planet's surface, the oceans are where the real heating is happening.

"If you add extra heat to the Earth system, approximately 93 percent of that extra heat ends up stored in the ocean, and the ocean is very deep," Loeb said. "When we look at air temperature, we are just looking at the surface. There's a whole deep ocean where heat can be stored."

http://climate.nasa.gov/news/1141/

The whole scare was about surface temperature until the pause that began in 1997! Now the heat is hiding in the oceans?

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2014/07/updated-list-of-29-excuses-for-18-year.html

Doesn't sound like settled science to me.

festeringZit · Sep 22, 2014

akphidelt said:
Hmmmm, do we listen to NASA, the group responsible for creating satellites, spacecraft that can reach Mars.... or do we listen to resident obsessed birther loon Sheriff Joe and racist supporter festeringZit? Very very difficult decision. One that I must ponder for a while.

As long as you call me a racist supporter, I will call you a pedophile, because more than one person in here has noted suspicion that you indeed are a pedophile. Deal?

akphidelt · Sep 22, 2014

pubguy said:
So Gavin Schmidt at NASA GISS announced August was the warmest on record. (this was good enough for the press releases just prior to the climate summit) Then he immediately backtracked. Of course that will not ever make it to a press release.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/august-2014-is-no-longer-the-hottest-on-record/

And here is the August update from UAH, you know the guys that actually developed the satellite lower troposphere temperature measuring product.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/09/uah-global-temperature-update-for-august-2014-0-20-deg-c/

Goddard is using the table of the maps and not the raw data. Here is NASA explaining the difference...

Q.Why is the number in the right hand corner of the global maps sometimes different from the corresponding value from the GISTEMP data files (tables and graphs)?
A.This is related to the way we deal with missing data in constructing the global means:
In the GISTEMP index, the tables of zonal, global, hemispheric means are computed by combining the 100 subbox series for each box of the equal area grid, then combining those to get 8 zonal mean series, finally from those we get the Northern (23.6-90ºN), Southern and tropical means, always using the same method. Hemispheric and global means are area-weighted means of the following 4 regions: Northern mid-to-high latitudes, Southern mid-to-high latitudes, and the Northern and Southern half of the tropics.

For the global maps, we subdivide the data into the 4 regions 90-24ºS, 24-0ºS, 0-24ºN,24-90ºN and fill any gaps in one of those 4 regions by the mean over the available data in that region, and then get a global mean.
For data-sets with full coverage, this should make no difference, but where there is some missing data, there can be a small offset. In such cases the number in the index files should be considered definitive, because in that method the full time series is involved in dealing with the data gaps, whereas for individual maps only the data on that particular map are used to estimate the global mean.

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Here is the raw data showing August to be the hottest August on record...

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

festeringZit · Sep 22, 2014

festeringZit said:
As long as you call me a racist supporter, I will call you a pedophile, because more than one person in here has noted suspicion that you indeed are a pedophile. Deal?

Oh, and multiple people have commented that your reaction to being labelled a pedophile is quite suspicious, and indicative of such proclivities.

pubguy · Sep 22, 2014

akphidelt said:
Lol, you can't even get your sources right. He did not backtrack on anything. They are just using a different method of measuring temperature based on all the data that was gathered.

RSS = satellite data GISS=manipulated, extrapolated data.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...u-get-the-answer-politicians-are-looking-for/

SheriffJoe · Sep 22, 2014

festeringZit said:
Oh, and multiple people have commented that your reaction to being labelled a pedophile is quite suspicious, and indicative of such proclivities.

The troll reacted the exact same way when I revealed he was native.

Very suspicious indeed.

akphidelt · Sep 22, 2014

pubguy said:
The whole scare was about surface temperature until the pause that began in 1997! Now the heat is hiding in the oceans?

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2014/07/updated-list-of-29-excuses-for-18-year.html

Doesn't sound like settled science to me.

Man pumping ridiculous amounts of CO2 in the air and that having an affect on temperature is settled science. Figuring out how that will affect the earth is not settled science and they are learning new information every year, which is the point of research. And they have found that the oceans have been keeping an enormous amount of the heat. They've known this for over decade now. Using a logical fallacy to discredit an entire world of research is typical of conservatism. It's like people who found someone who didn't get cancer after smoking cigarettes their whole life as evidence that cigarettes don't cause cancer. Logical fallacy central!

pubguy · Sep 22, 2014

"The average person knows that global warming has been exaggerated. The educated will take a little longer." Prof. Richard Linzen MIT

akphidelt · Sep 22, 2014

festeringZit said:
Oh, and multiple people have commented that your reaction to being labelled a pedophile is quite suspicious, and indicative of such proclivities.

So since you deny being a racist supporter, you must be a racist supporter.

akphidelt · Sep 22, 2014

pubguy said:
"The average person knows that global warming has been exaggerated. The educated will take a little longer." Prof. Richard Linzen MIT

Well, I mean if you have a quote from some dude, I guess that settles it.

akphidelt · Sep 22, 2014

197 scientific organizations across the world agree global warming is caused by man. BUT, the resident RX retards believe global warming is not caused by man. You have geniuses like birther loon Cliven Bundy fan Sheriff Joe, crazy ass dude who fights people on the Internet Gas Man, a racist supporter in festeringZit, Dave the crabby old man who likes people sending Ricin to the President, Acebb a real life nut job, etc. I mean these are the types of people I listen too, not real scientists... lmao!!!

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[h=1]List of Worldwide Scientific Organizations[/h] (Scientific Organizations That Hold the Position That Climate Change Has Been Caused by Human Action)