KERRY now leads the latest AP POLL too!

THE SHRINK · Oct 13, 2004

Omg!!!!

October 13, 2004 13:00 PM EST--

The latest Nation Wide Electoral College projection shows John Kerry with 301 Electoral Votes and George W. Bush with 130 Electoral Votes. There are now nine states with 107 Electoral Votes in the Toss-Up category.

Today, John Kerry gains back fifteen Electoral Votes as New Jersey moves back to "Leans Kerry" status. Yesterday, Maryland moved back to "Leans Kerry." Both of these states were expected to be in the Democratic column when the campaign began. In the week leading up to the first debate, Kerry's lead declined in both states and they were shifted to our Toss-Up column. However, Kerry has never trailed in either state.

Over the past week, Kerry has also gained ground in Michigan, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania. But, none have moved enough at the moment to shift out of Toss-Up status.

The 301 Electoral Votes projected for Kerry is his highest total of the year. He had been at 213 votes before the debates.

GAMEFACE · Oct 13, 2004

Kerry is weak on defense. He believes we should get used to being attacked. Look at his 20 year record in the Senate, he voted against tanks, planes, the cia, the fbi and troops. He's all talk.

Dante · Oct 13, 2004

THE SHRINK said:
October 13, 2004 13:00 PM EST--

The latest Nation Wide Electoral College projection shows John Kerry with 301 Electoral Votes and George W. Bush with 130 Electoral Votes. There are now nine states with 107 Electoral Votes in the Toss-Up category.

Today, John Kerry gains back fifteen Electoral Votes as New Jersey moves back to "Leans Kerry" status. Yesterday, Maryland moved back to "Leans Kerry." Both of these states were expected to be in the Democratic column when the campaign began. In the week leading up to the first debate, Kerry's lead declined in both states and they were shifted to our Toss-Up column. However, Kerry has never trailed in either state.

Over the past week, Kerry has also gained ground in Michigan, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania. But, none have moved enough at the moment to shift out of Toss-Up status.

The 301 Electoral Votes projected for Kerry is his highest total of the year. He had been at 213 votes before the debates.

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: just shows polls mean NADA

Fishhead · Oct 13, 2004

DANTE........and as evidenced 4 years ago, either do elections.:biglaugh:

THE SHRINK · Oct 13, 2004

Dante said:
:biglaugh: :biglaugh: just shows polls mean NADA

Dante said:
Shrink, This is from the site you are following today

Electoral Vote Predictor 2004: Kerry 260 Bush 274

[url="http://www.electoral-vote.com/"]http://www.electoral-vote.com/[/url]

Well if POLLS mean NOTHING to you sir, then why POST this earlier in this thread?

Fishhead · Oct 13, 2004

Unlike Bush, i hope Dante can admit to wrong doing. :heh:

DavidMatthews · Oct 13, 2004

GAMEFACE said:
Kerry is weak on defense. He believes we should get used to being attacked. Look at his 20 year record in the Senate, he voted against tanks, planes, the cia, the fbi and troops. He's all talk.

Did you know that the USA spends more on military spending BY FAR than any other country in the world?

It's not even close. The next country after us in military spending is China, and it's about 1/5 of what we spend. Russia is behind them and then there isn't any country that is a blip compared to what we spend on the military.

We could spend half as much as we spend and still be way ahead of any other country in the world.

Fishhead · Oct 13, 2004

I GOT MY GIRLS ON THE KERRY BANDWAGON!

Dante · Oct 13, 2004

Just to show you what your site you like was saying??

THE SHRINK · Oct 13, 2004

NEW YORK (AP) - Rising oil prices, weak coorporate earnings, and a changing negative atttitude towards President Bush by investors sent stocks down almost 100 points today, with blue chips particularly under pressure.

Analysts said the day's trading was part of a broader move away from President Bush's anticipated lackluster performance tonight on the state of the economy. If oil prices continue to set record highs reached earlier this week and companies issue downeard forecasts with their third-quarter earnings reports, it might trigger a recession.

Analyists also believe that since the stock market doesn't like uncertainty, perhaps after tonight's debate, the nation will have more of an idea on who will win the Presidency and ultimately influence the stock market in a more positive manner.

Consumer Confidence is at it's lowest since George W. Bush took office three and a half years ago.

Dante · Oct 13, 2004

Fishhead said:
Unlike Bush, i hope Dante can admit to wrong doing. :heh:

what wrong doing fish?? the fact that I tried to have a NON gambling chat with you?? and your not capable of that??

Illini · Oct 13, 2004

Fishhead said:
DANTE........and as evidenced 4 years ago, either do elections.:biglaugh:

What's that supposed to mean?

Fishhead · Oct 13, 2004

Dont know, im an IDIOT!

GO BOSOX!

Fishhead · Oct 13, 2004

Bush was down to as low as -145 today at PINNY.

Anybody know of anyplace that has lower currently, excluding exchanges.

RobFunk · Oct 13, 2004

theres a lot of data to look at so far.

so lets get back to the 2 most solid of things:

1.shrink said something amoung the lines of no president had ever been elected without winning a single debate. well, kerry is 1 debate away from getting the sweep tonight.

2.fishead posted some link yesterday that explained how to read into polls more and it said the closer to the election the poll, the more accurate is going to be in determining who will be elected. including up until the very last day (nov 1) of course this is obvious and it goes without saying.

so looking at those 2 things; more polls showing kerry as a result of the debates, 1 more debate to be had, would only led you to believe that if kerry wins the debate tonight (including 2-3 day post spin), even if by a slight margin, you would have to think kerry will hold on for the win and ultimately become the victor of the upcoming election.

and as far as the "you cant compete with the republican party's money" theory goes, let me say this: all the advertising in the world doesnt compete with 4 90 minute spots of prime time television being broadcast on 4+ national networks. I am sure anyone else who took advertising in college such as myself would probably agree.

Fishhead · Oct 13, 2004

ROB- For a young lad, you are quite intelligent.

RobFunk · Oct 13, 2004

thanks fish. If I keep working at it I might be half as sharp as you someday.

fat chance tho. :suomi:

BigGame · Oct 13, 2004

It makes me laugh when folks like Dante say Kerry is weak on Defense. I would love to see your evidence that Kerry has somehow weakend our national defense. Let's not forget who volunteered for combat in Vietnam and who was the coke-sniffing draft-dodger.

Dante · Oct 13, 2004

Big Game said:
It makes me laugh when folks like Dante say Kerry is weak on Defense. I would love to see your evidence that Kerry has somehow weakend our national defense. Let's not forget who volunteered for combat in Vietnam and who was the coke-sniffing draft-dodger.

its make me laugh to but I did not say that you got the wrong posts biggame

i think you meant this??

Originally Posted by GAMEFACE
Kerry is weak on defense. He believes we should get used to being attacked. Look at his 20 year record in the Senate, he voted against tanks, planes, the cia, the fbi and troops. He's all talk.

hanover00 · Oct 13, 2004

Darryl Parsons said:
Could someone please explain why this thread is still in Offshore, while another thread by acw which doesn't even name a sportsbook got moved to the disputes forum?

Isn't it obvious? Fish and Shrink have Kerry +200 bets down and they are trying to influence people to drive the Bush scalp numbers down. :discuss:

They've helped me a great deal too. But, it's all getting pretty tedious, just think, three more weeks of this unless they take the scalp sooner.