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Just to give another OBJECTIVE view on who is winning and who will win, what about THE USA TODAY?

Bush's approval rating slipping

Poll: It's lowest since July, but race still tied

By Susan Page
USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — President Bush and Sen. John Kerry head toward their third and final televised debate tonight with voters increasingly pessimistic about the economy, the war in Iraq and the battle against terrorism, a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll shows.

Unease about the country's direction has eroded Bush's job approval rating into dangerous territory for an incumbent president. And Kerry holds a decided advantage on the domestic issues that will be the focus of their last face-to-face encounter.

Even so, voters' judgment by 45% to 30% that Kerry did better than Bush in their second debate Friday didn't significantly change the contest between them.

The poll, taken Saturday and Sunday, puts Kerry at 49% and Bush at 48% among likely voters. Independent candidate Ralph Nader is at 1%. That's almost unchanged from the Gallup survey taken a week earlier.

Among all registered voters, Kerry and Bush each had 48%. In the 17 states that both campaigns see as most competitive, Kerry was at 48%, Bush at 45%.

The debate Wednesday is the last chance for voters to see the candidates side-by-side — and the main chance for the candidates to change the dynamics of the campaign in its final, frenetic three weeks.

The 90-minute forum, at Arizona State University in Tempe, begins at 9 p.m. ET.

“We see very strong momentum to John Kerry nationally, particularly in the battleground states,” says Mark Mellman, Kerry's pollster. He says the debates have given Kerry an opportunity to outline his proposals and raise questions about Bush's course.

Matthew Dowd, chief strategist for the Bush campaign, says growing concern about terrorism, Iraq and the economy hasn't boosted voters' trust in Kerry to handle those issues. Bush retains an advantage of 17 points on handling terrorism, 7 points on Iraq.

But Bush's approval rating — the most reliable measure of a president's re-election prospects — has dropped to 47%, the lowest since July. Anything below 50% is considered a red flag for incumbents.

Also in the poll:

•Nearly two of three voters call the economy only fair or poor. A plurality says it's getting worse. In September, a plurality said it was getting better.

•Attitudes about Iraq are as negative as they were in May, the previous low point — a time soon after photos of abused Iraqi prisoners had been released and an American contractor beheaded. A 54% majority now says the war wasn't worth it.

Confidence that the United States is winning the war on terror also slipped a bit, though a majority still express satisfaction with how it's going.

</B>•Kerry is preferred on almost every domestic issue over Bush, with an edge of 29 points on the environment, 19 points on health care, 13 points on the federal budget deficit. He holds an advantage on handling Medicare, Social Security, education and the economy.</B>

The exception: taxes. One in four voters predict Bush will raise federal income taxes if he wins the election. Twice as many say that of Kerry.


Does anyone REALLY think Bush will WIN or TIE in tonight's debate?

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Fishhead said:
After watching these debates, no way any level headed American could ever pull the handle for BUSH.

Showing stubborn allegiance to the Republican Party would be the only way.
I won't take that personally, Fish. But you're wrong, and you really don't have the right to say that. I know plenty of level headed Americans who are voting for Bush and can say why they are doing so. I know plenty of Kerry supporters too, and most of them just say "Bush is an idiot." I think there are smart, educated people on both sides.
 

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Fishhead said:
If BUSH wins, my chances of leaving the country are signifcantly higher.
then by all means post haste go bush!!!:toothless :howdy:
 

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Fishhead said:
If BUSH wins, my chances of leaving the country are signifcantly higher.
Start preps buddy. Change the oil and get some tires on the Van.
 

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Does anyone REALLY think Bush will WIN or TIE in tonight's debate?

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Shrink I think he could tie or if not at least not lose ground...how do you explain some of the states like Florida 5 points ahead for bush and some other swing states .... he is 3-4 points up in WI swing state and down by only 2 in ohio...average
 

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Thank you Dante.

My leading choices for my move out of the country are Canada, Costa Rica, Idaho, and Europe.
 

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Fishhead said:
Thank you Dante.

My leading choices for my move out of the country are Canada, Costa Rica, Idaho, and Europe.
Then I hope you like potatoes!!! :biglaugh:
 

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Fishhead said:
Thank you Dante.

My leading choices for my move out of the country are Canada, Costa Rica, Idaho, and Europe.
well fish since you already have family in idaho you might want to come here but id recommend CR that way you can satisfy your 24/7 betting sir by going to the local walk up shop at 3am


Good luck wherever you move as you will be moving :howdy:
 
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Right now, most WORTY polls have me staying put in the good ole USA!
 

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Lets just stop for a second and use COMMON SENSE.

1-Most of the POLLS suggest that the Presidential Race is a TOSS UP. Even the most narrow minded Republicans cannot dispute this fact...

2-NO PRESIDENT has EVER been RE ELECTED without WINNING (not TYING), at least ONE DEBATE...

3-SENATOR KERRY GAINED a LOT of GROUND after he WON FIRST DEBATE, but didn't really gain ground after 2ND debate because many thought it was a TIE...

4-TONIGHT'S DEBATE may very well decide the outcome of this election and most experts say that KERRY IS FAVORED to WIN...

Therefore, why not take KERRY plus 1.40 ish given the above FACTS???!!!

I took KERRY at plus $2.16 and I am VERY HAPPY I did...

At the very worst, I have a nice scalp. At the very best, I WIN, period..

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exactly gameface, aparently these people don't care to look at the electoral college. Bush has way more money to spend hitting Ohio and Florida and if he gets those and Florida should be relatively easy it is over. Game set match.
 

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Living in Florida, about 2 out of every 3 people i meet cant stand Bush.
 

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Makes sense as most people tend to run with and be around folks with similiar beliefs.
 

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Fishhead said:
Living in Florida, about 2 out of every 3 people i meet cant stand Bush.
FLORIDA IS MORE REPUBLICAN NOW THEN THE LAST ELECTION!!!!!


A startling event took place in 2002. It was startling both in its circumstances and in the lack of focus it received. That event was the Florida gubernatorial election. What happened there, when taken in the context of the voting debacle two years earlier, was truly phenomenal. I'll recap it for you: In 2002, Terry McAuliffe pledged that Jeb Bush, the president's own brother, would be defeated in his re-election bid. In fact, the DNC made the Florida governor's race their number one priority of the 2002 election cycle. Moreover, only two years removed from the spectacle of 2000, emotions and energy should have been be running extremely high among Democrats. Did we see massive Democratic turnout? Did Terry's threats come true, for once? Nope! What transpired was not a humiliating GOP defeat, but a Bush-brother victory by a count that exceeded Jeb's first election margin. He won by an amazing 13 points! It was a complete and utter repudiation of the revenge factor and clearly showed the strength of the GOP in that state. Without Florida as an obvious pickup target, the Democrats' options to gain ground shrink considerably
 

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Royal-

I can buy that, your right.

I am for the middle class in America.
 

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Fishhead said:
Royal-

I can buy that, your right.

I am for the middle class in America.
Fish, since you're clearly implying that Republicans are not for the middle class, may I remind you that millions upon millions of Americans pay ZERO in taxes? I'm middle class, and I pay very little in taxes. I don't buy that Democrat tag line, and I'm surprised that you are using it.
 

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Royal,

You're correct. The media is overwhelmly for Kerry and it gives the false impression that Kerry is winning, it's simply not true. Take the recent election in Australia, Kerrys sister worked day and night in an attempt to help the liberal win. The pre-election polls and the liberal media touted howards opponent was up by 7 points and Howard won by 5 points. I see a very similar margin of victory for Bush Nov. 2nd.

The media loves to tout it's a very close race, it makes for good TV ratings for the debates and election night. Look for Carville to don the trash can early this year.
 

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Illini said:
Fish, since you're clearly implying that Republicans are not for the middle class, may I remind you that millions upon millions of Americans pay ZERO in taxes? I'm middle class, and I pay very little in taxes. I don't buy that Democrat tag line, and I'm surprised that you are using it.
ILL,
great post but please understand

Fishhead does not care who wins this election I think with him its always all about the is betting point of view he does not care who is running the country...Most of us are talking about the election and how it will effect real life and not just as "another bet"...
 

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