Is there any legit proof that American cars are inferior?

[roadreeler57]

Yeah my Brother is a Mechanic so he knows Cars better than the average Joe.... He says Grand Ams are good well engineered Cars & pretty easy to work on..Routine maintenence is all they require.

 

[roadreeler57]

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</TD><TD width="100%">The Jeep Patriot isn't perfect, but our editors point out that this capable compact SUV has a couple of things going in its favor. One key asset is styling. Many cute-utes are uncomfortably heavy on the "cute" aspect of the equation. The Patriot has an angular aggressiveness that's less puppy than it is urban piranha. Guys won't feel emasculated when they're behind the wheel, and women will appreciate piloting a vehicle endowed with an aesthetic that's sharp and striking. Another highlight of the Patriot is its off-road capability. Most compact SUVs are designed to function only on pavement; this makes sense when you consider that for most buyers, this is where virtually all of the action takes place. If you're one of those who like to kick up dust off the beaten path, however, the Patriot is a winning choice. Consumers who championed the Patriot as the winner in this segment praised the SUV's outstanding fuel economy and spacious cabin.
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</TD><TD width="100%">Americans love a comeback story. Just when consumers were ready to write Buick off for good, the 2008 Enclave came to its rescue. The all-new crossover SUV accommodates up to eight passengers in upscale comfort. Easy third-row access, a maximum cargo area of 116 cubic feet and a long list of convenience and safety features make it a natural alternative to both stodgy minivans and rough-riding, truck-based SUVs. Powered by a 275-hp V6 with a six-speed transmission, it has good power across the range, though slow downshifting dampens the driving experience. Handling is competent, but not as sporty as its Mazda CX-9 competitor. Consumers love the quiet and smooth ride, OnStar functionality, adult-friendly third row and well-designed interior. "Like flying first class," "a home run" and "an eye-catcher" are common refrains. Consumers are happily trading in their foreign-made luxury vehicles for this American comeback kid.
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</TD><TD width="100%">Many Lincoln MKX buyers cited most of the same positives we noticed in this five-seat luxury crossover. The MKX's expansive feature content drew accolades, including items like the heated/cooled front seats, panorama sunroof, power tailgate, THX sound system and Ford's innovative Sync system. The ride is also comfortable, with both rows of seats offering an excellent amount of space and comfort. Styling is also a strong suit of this crossover, as it applies retro Lincoln touches to the modern lines of what is essentially a Ford Edge. The MKX does have some low points, however. Specifically, we discovered the MKX's braking distances to be noticeably poor, while the interior materials and fit and finish were not up to the quality of other luxury models. So although buyers have been happy with their Lincoln MKX, it's important to note there are worthy competitors.
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</TD><TD width="100%">When it comes to luxury SUVs, consumers think very highly of the Lexus LX 570. It's no surprise, since Lexus has spent the past 10 years perfecting luxury vehicles that offer Toyota reliability combined with excellent value. Those who rated the all-new LX 570 highly, frequently mentioned abundant interior features, the quiet cabin and a powerful but smooth engine in their explanations. A revised navigation system and Bluetooth functionality are also cited as reasons some consumers chose the LX 570 over other luxury SUVs. A 5.7-liter V8 is the only engine offered, so low fuel-efficiency is often mentioned as an area that could improve. A few buyers also want more navigation functionality when the car is moving and more room in the third-row seats. Still, though there are plenty of luxury SUVs on the market, our consumers rate the LX 570 highest in the pack.
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http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/consumerstoprated/2008/index.html

 

[barman]

"Still, though there are plenty of luxury SUVs on the market, our consumers rate the (Lexus) LX 570 highest in the pack."

Yep. That's pretty much what I've been told by people who have driven more than one brand or model and why we'll be getting one for the SheBar by fall 2009.

 

[roadreeler57]

Well if you have that kind of cash for a car BM good for you...That thing costs more than most houses......Id spend the under 25 but to each his own.

 

[roadreeler57]

"Still, though there are plenty of luxury SUVs on the market, our consumers rate the (Lexus) LX 570 highest in the pack."

Yep. That's pretty much what I've been told by people who have driven more than one brand or model and why we'll be getting one for the SheBar by fall 2009.

Ok did U mention fuel mileage in one of the other posts?.... 14 MPG besides the 73,000 price tag... Hope you have lots of cash for gas too.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

Some of you guys out there don't even give the American vehicles a chance & thats just a shame...I know theres a lot of guys out there that agree with me they would'nt be caught dead in a foriegn vehicle

Its not that we dont give them a chance, its that we are just smart consumers. We like to buy things knowing they will be reliable from day to day. I would assume most if not all of us owned an American car at one point, but we did was most reapsonsible adults do.... make the best choice available where price meets value. You can make the argument with cheap China goods, but the car industry is going Japanese for a reason - they are better. This isnt rocket science here. Those guys you speak not wanting to get caugh dead driving a Jap car... they are dumb ass rednecks who like that big red white and blue dick shoved down their throat and up that giant fat ass. Fuck them, bunch of unevolved neanderthals anyway.

 

[3peet]

but the car industry is going Japanese for a reason - they are better. This isnt rocket science here. Those guys you speak not wanting to get caugh dead driving a Jap car...

Car industry has BEEN going Japanese for many years now. The quality has been uncontested since the 80's.

 

[eek.]

Well if you have that kind of cash for a car BM good for you...That thing costs more than most houses......Id spend the under 25 but to each his own.

Bar just likes to slum it in here for $10 a day as an RX mod.

:grandmais

 

[roadreeler57]

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</TD><TD width="100%">The Jeep Patriot isn't perfect, but our editors point out that this capable compact SUV has a couple of things going in its favor. One key asset is styling. Many cute-utes are uncomfortably heavy on the "cute" aspect of the equation. The Patriot has an angular aggressiveness that's less puppy than it is urban piranha. Guys won't feel emasculated when they're behind the wheel, and women will appreciate piloting a vehicle endowed with an aesthetic that's sharp and striking. Another highlight of the Patriot is its off-road capability. Most compact SUVs are designed to function only on pavement; this makes sense when you consider that for most buyers, this is where virtually all of the action takes place. If you're one of those who like to kick up dust off the beaten path, however, the Patriot is a winning choice. Consumers who championed the Patriot as the winner in this segment praised the SUV's outstanding fuel economy and spacious cabin.

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</TD><TD width="100%">Americans love a comeback story. Just when consumers were ready to write Buick off for good, the 2008 Enclave came to its rescue. The all-new crossover SUV accommodates up to eight passengers in upscale comfort. Easy third-row access, a maximum cargo area of 116 cubic feet and a long list of convenience and safety features make it a natural alternative to both stodgy minivans and rough-riding, truck-based SUVs. Powered by a 275-hp V6 with a six-speed transmission, it has good power across the range, though slow downshifting dampens the driving experience. Handling is competent, but not as sporty as its Mazda CX-9 competitor. Consumers love the quiet and smooth ride, OnStar functionality, adult-friendly third row and well-designed interior. "Like flying first class," "a home run" and "an eye-catcher" are common refrains. Consumers are happily trading in their foreign-made luxury vehicles for this American comeback kid.

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- End Vehicle -->
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</TD><TD width="100%">Many Lincoln MKX buyers cited most of the same positives we noticed in this five-seat luxury crossover. The MKX's expansive feature content drew accolades, including items like the heated/cooled front seats, panorama sunroof, power tailgate, THX sound system and Ford's innovative Sync system. The ride is also comfortable, with both rows of seats offering an excellent amount of space and comfort. Styling is also a strong suit of this crossover, as it applies retro Lincoln touches to the modern lines of what is essentially a Ford Edge. The MKX does have some low points, however. Specifically, we discovered the MKX's braking distances to be noticeably poor, while the interior materials and fit and finish were not up to the quality of other luxury models. So although buyers have been happy with their Lincoln MKX, it's important to note there are worthy competitors.

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- End Vehicle -->
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</TD><TD width="100%">When it comes to luxury SUVs, consumers think very highly of the Lexus LX 570. It's no surprise, since Lexus has spent the past 10 years perfecting luxury vehicles that offer Toyota reliability combined with excellent value. Those who rated the all-new LX 570 highly, frequently mentioned abundant interior features, the quiet cabin and a powerful but smooth engine in their explanations. A revised navigation system and Bluetooth functionality are also cited as reasons some consumers chose the LX 570 over other luxury SUVs. A 5.7-liter V8 is the only engine offered, so low fuel-efficiency is often mentioned as an area that could improve. A few buyers also want more navigation functionality when the car is moving and more room in the third-row seats. Still, though there are plenty of luxury SUVs on the market, our consumers rate the LX 570 highest in the pack.

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http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/consumerstoprated/2008/index.html

These are the top rated SUVs from consumers.... Only 1 is forign & it costs 73,000 :finger:

 

[gtc08]

Lincoln is american?

 

[fletchisrhsm]

Lincoln is american?

:lolBIG:

I rest my Case GTC. Kinda puts your "socialism is paradise" statements into perspective. Being a complete tool or dumb can only be put off by being young naive for so long, eventually you have to come to realization - your dumb.

:toast:

 

[CapNCash]

My 2005 Explorer Limited rear end went out and was replaced, throttle body went out, 2 alternators and battery replaced, Tire pressure sensor broke, all before 50k miles.

 

[Romanowski]

Lincoln is american?

is that a serious question?

 

[Romanowski]

Car industry has BEEN going Japanese for many years now. The quality has been uncontested since the 80's.

bullshit

 

[barman]

Well if you have that kind of cash for a car BM good for you...That thing costs more than most houses......Id spend the under 25 but to each his own.

not too shocking - I figure you're the kind of guy who whips out a calculator to make sure and never overtip the waitress more than her proper 15%.

 

[Romanowski]

My 2005 Explorer Limited rear end went out and was replaced, throttle body went out, 2 alternators and battery replaced, Tire pressure sensor broke, all before 50k miles.

and the parts and labor were cheap

ill say it again more self made millionaires drive american cars then otherwise

do you think they have business sense?

 

[barman]

Ok did U mention fuel mileage in one of the other posts?.... 14 MPG besides the 73,000 price tag... Hope you have lots of cash for gas too.

my bad...We weren't specifying that particular model. Just want to make sure she's in a suitable Lexus. Plus we'll most likely buy a 2006-7 model in late 2009 so as to avoid the biggest chunk of post sale depreciation.

 

[barman]

Bar just likes to slum it in here for $10 a day as an RX mod.

:grandmais

ahem.....$14.22

 

[gtc08]

is that a serious question?

I don't know or care about the car market or cars in general to begin with so no I don't know all the American brands off the top of my head. Lincoln is a very good brand though.

 

[Doug]

There have been quite a few shit American cars that turned many to Honda and Toyota:

Ford Pinto
Ford Courier
Chevy Vega
Chevy Chevette
AMC Pacer
Dodge Aspen

and many more.

Try comparing a Vega to a Corolla or a Civic :missingte