In your opinion, who is worse, Joe Paterno or Bill Cosby?

[vitterd]

Best way to cover up a crime is notify the head of campus police .

Chosing program over principals was what Joe was all about, wait, or was it ......

I mean risking his legacy to cover up something for an ex coach who Joe couldn't stand, makes sense .

Yep, you got it all figured out

It all makes perfect sense http://framingpaterno.com/sites/default/files/Perfect Sense January 2015.pdf

That framing paterno bullshit site has been debunked over and over again....and it was pointed out to you the last time you tried this nonsense.

Head of campus police?? Lol....joe was head of everything there. People couldn't piss without his say so. The idea that he had any true superiors is laughable.

 

[Enfuego]

Whats your point? There was no rape , nothing sexual happened, Joe reported it , there was no cover up.

What should Joe have done ? I actually give you credit for standing up to some other sheep in here who know nothing about the case.

The more you learn, the better you will feel about that position

No rape according to you I guess. McQueary said he saw something extremely sexual in nature going on in there.

 

[brucefan]

No rape according to you I guess. McQueary said he saw something extremely sexual in nature going on in there.

No, no rape according to the jury, as well as the kid himself who stated publically that nothing happened in the shower.

Mcqueary changed his story 10 years later after being prompted to do so by investigators . That prompting was because they had no case after 2 years of investigating Jerry. They only had the story from this guy

Strange behavior for a victim of abuse huh .?

 

[PatsFanatic]

Bruce is looking very pathetic.

 

[Enfuego]

No, no rape according to the jury, as well as the kid himself who stated publically that nothing happened in the shower.

Mcqueary changed his story 10 years later after being prompted to do so by investigators . That prompting was because they had no case after 2 years of investigating Jerry. They only had the story from this guy

Strange behavior for a victim of abuse huh .?

You can't just say stuff on here without providing proof. You still haven't showed McQuery changed his story.

 

[CHOPTALK]

What if there is new info in the others, will you read them then? You asked, I provided the info.
He has changed his story many times, and there are serious character questions which may have dramatically effected his testimony of what he saw or heard, 10 YEARS. after the incident happened . Of course , not remembering the date , month and year wrong , doesn't help his case

Some people get banned for less then this

 

[CHOPTALK]

No, no rape according to the jury, as well as the kid himself who stated publically that nothing happened in the shower.

Mcqueary changed his story 10 years later after being prompted to do so by investigators . That prompting was because they had no case after 2 years of investigating Jerry. They only had the story from this guy

Strange behavior for a victim of abuse huh .?

Honestly man you are displaying some of the most pathetic behavior I've ever seen at this place.

 

[brucefan]

Honestly man you are displaying some of the most pathetic behavior I've ever seen at this place.

Really, how so? Explain? I posted a picture of this kid and asked a question? Is that illegal here?

This commentary is from JZ "

"Aaron Fisher is the first, primary, and only accuser (for two years) in the "Penn State Scandal." This past weekend he, his fiancé, and his mother all went on vacation (perhaps to celebrate the third anniversary of the Freeh Report, which has been very lucrative for them). In their hotel room, Aaron posed for a photo which was later posted on Facebook.

If a normal picture is worth a thousand words, this one is worth a full book..."
Please ask yourself just one question: Is this photo consistent with Aaron Fisher's already nonsensical and ever-changing story of being a three-year victim of horrific sex abuse, which has no hard evidence (or even actual dates) supporting it?
It is obvious that this photo (or at least the middle finger) was specifically intended for this website, so I am happy to oblige Aaron. After all, if there is one thing I have learned from this story, it is that "victims" of child sex abuse should be accommodated in every possible way.

 

[brucefan]

A great read http://www.mediaite.com/tv/morning-joe-gets-it-wrong-in-rehashing-of-penn-state-scandal/

 

[Ricboff]

Best way to cover up a crime is notify the head of campus police .

Chosing program over principals was what Joe was all about, wait, or was it ......

I mean risking his legacy to cover up something for an ex coach who Joe couldn't stand, makes sense .

Yep, you got it all figured out

It all makes perfect sense http://framingpaterno.com/sites/default/files/Perfect Sense January 2015.pdf

tell it to Penn State. The Rx will do nothing to help your cause, which I believe is to get a statue back up? Or perhaps you simply need a place to vent?



if Sandusky just didn't shower with boys.....that damn statue would be up....crazy, eh?.....

 

[StevieRay]

U were his lover weren't u?

 

[RunLeeRun]

That picture doesn't mean anything. What's the context? Perhaps his fiance was telling him to strip and throwing bills at him. Just because he was traumatized in his past doesn't mean he has to crawl in a hole and let it consume him. Creepy Valley keeps earning it's name.

 

[festeringZit]

[ Maybe this maggot serial rapist will finally get justice also ]

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</header>Bill Clinton is a longtime alleged sex abuser of women, especially prolific during the years he has been associated with Hillary.

In many respects, the case of Bill Clinton is similar to that of Bill Cosby. Bill Clinton, like Bill Cosby, has been enabled by the powerful and by a retinue of flunkeys that profit from Clinton’s high status. Just a mere year ago, despite knowing 13 women had gone on record with claims that Cosby had abused them, the executives at NBC were on the verge of giving the then-77 year-old comedian yet another TV sitcom. Now, a year later, after 50 women victims have come forward, Bill Cosby’s celebrity and fatherly image have justifiably been destroyed and he may forever be thought of as one of the most famous serial rapists in American history.
Bill Clinton is in a similar situation. The public knows all about Clinton’s alleged rape of Juanita Broaddrick from her tearful account on national TV in 1999. They also know that a red-faced Clinton allegedly exposed himself to Paula Jones in May 1991, and asked her to “kiss” his erection. What many people do not know is that when this became public in 1993, all Paula Jones wanted was an apology from Clinton and not a penny.http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...cret-sex-abuse-victims-of-bill-clinton/#_edn3 Clinton’s response was that he did not even know her. Later in 1998, Clinton ended up paying Paula Jones a whopping $850,000 for his behavior, which was compounded by his lying.
Likewise people know about Kathleen Willey, an alleged victim of both Bill and Hillary Clinton. According to Willey, in November 1993 a red-faced Bill sexually assaulted her in the Oval Office. Later, because she was deposed as a material witness in the Paula Jones sexual harassment case, Hillary reportedly used nasty private detectives to run a terror campaign of witness tampering on Willey. We’d call it a Hillary-sponsored psychological rape of Willey.[ii]
Vicious private detective Jack Palladino allegedly bragged about being hired by Hillary to intimidate Willey.
All of this raises the question: how many more sexual victims of Bill Clinton are out there? The common theme among many of Bill Cosby’s sex victims was that they did not want to challenge a rich, powerful and popular public figure. People at the level of Cosby and Clinton have an army of lawyers, PR people and nasty private detectives who they use to crush any woman who would dare to tell the truth about them.
The Washington Post’s Roger Morris, Newsweek’s Michael Isikoff (now with NBC), and former Clinton Military Aide Buzz Patterson all have written about Bill Clinton’s other anonymous alleged sex abuse victims.
Capitol Hill Blue interviewed other secret alleged sex abuse victims of Bill Clinton. According to Capitol Hill Blue, in 1972, while Bill was dating Hillary at Yale Law School, a 22-year-old woman told campus police that Bill Clinton had sexually assaulted her.She confirmed the assault to Capitol Hill Blue but did not want her name used. Clinton was still president in 1999 when the article was written.
Bill Clinton’s trail of alleged attacks dates back even further to the University of Arkansas, where he was a law instructor. There, Clinton allegedly sexually attacked a female student, groped her and tried to physically trap her in his office. This secret sex victim of Clinton also confirmed her attack to Capitol Hill Blue. She is not alone. Other former Arkansas students confirmed that Clinton tried to force himself on them when he was a professor, according to the article’s authors Daniel J. Harris & Teresa Hampton.
Another alleged secret sex victim of Clinton was identified by journalist Roger Morris, who wrote in Partners In Power, his book about the Clintons:

A young woman lawyer in Little Rock claimed that she was accosted by Clinton while he was attorney general and that when she recoiled he forced himself on her, biting and bruising her. Deeply affected by the assault, the woman decided to keep it all quiet for the sake of her own hard-won career and that of her husband. When the husband later saw Clinton at the 1980 Democratic Convention, he delivered a warning. “If you ever approach her,” he told the governor, “I’ll kill you.” Not even seeing fit to deny the incident, Bill Clinton sheepishly apologized and duly promised never to bother her again.[iii]
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Note: Bill Clinton is alleged to have bitten the victim who described her ordeal to Roger Morris. According to Juanita Broaddrick, while Clinton assaulted her in 1978 he savagelybit, tore and bloodied her upper lip. He also allegedly bit the reigning Miss America Liz Ward Gracen in 1983–who, by the way, was married at the time. Gracen told Michael Isikoff, then of Newsweek, that Bill Clinton had bit her and tearfully told her best friend, Judy Stokes, that then Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton had raped her. Publicly, a terrified Gracen has said that her sex with Clinton was consensual, but she privately maintains Clinton raped her.[iv]
Another alleged secret sex abuse victim of Bill Clinton, the wife of a prominent Democrat, contacted Michael Isikoff, who wrote in his book Uncovering Clinton (p. 162) about what he did to this (also married) woman in the Oval Office in 1996:

Clinton started getting physical, trying to kiss her, touching her breasts. The woman said she was stunned. She had no idea how to respond. “I’ve never had a man take advantage of me like that” … As Clinton pressed himself on her, she said, she resisted–and finally pushed him away. What happened after that? I asked. Clinton turned away, she said. She hesitated, and she said softly and with apparent discomfort, “I think he finished the job himself.”[v]
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Lt. Col. Robert “Buzz” Patterson, the military attaché who used to carry the “nuclear football” in the Clinton White House, wrote a book about Clinton called Dereliction of Duty. Not only does Patterson describe Hillary as an abusive, yelling, ultra-profane harpy, he also tells the story about yet another alleged secret sex victim of Bill Clinton. Patterson recounts:

“Buzz, we have a problem,” he [Lt. Col. Mark Donnelly, a presidential pilot] said grimly. “One of my female stewards claims she was approached and touched inappropriately by President Clinton and she’s upset.”
I knew the woman Mark was referring to, and I liked her. She was bright, cheery, and beautiful. She was also an enlisted member of the United States Air Force — and had just, apparently, been sexually molested by the commander in chief.
“Where did this happen, Mark?”
“In one of the galleys on Air Force One on a recent trip. Apparently, he cornered her.”
“Is she going to come forward? How does she want to handle it?”
“She’s really upset but she doesn’t want this to get out. She just wants an apology.”[vi]
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This raises the same question asked about the other famous “Bill”: just how many secret Clinton sex abuse victims have there been? Like Cosby, using his power and intimidation to sexually abuse and degrade women appears to have been a lifestyle choice for this other Bill over a course of decades.
Bill Clinton also allegedly tried to have sex with Chelsea’s nanny back in the mid-1980s, when his daughter was about age 4 or 5. Chelsea’s then-nanny, Becky, at the time was the girlfriend of Bill Clinton’s favorite state trooper, L. D. Brown. L.D. Brown describes this in his book Crossfire: Witness in the Clinton Investigation:

Becky had been baby-sitting Chelsea and had already put her to bed. Bill, after getting a beer, found Becky watching television in the upstairs part of the Mansion. He slouched down next to Becky and offered her a beer. Incredibly, he began his “I’m so bad” routine with Becky! I had seen him use it time and time again to get a woman to comfort him – comforting which he then manipulated into eventual sex. Becky got out of there in a hurry.[vii]
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These are the known alleged secret sex abuse victims of Bill Clinton. Like the alleged victims of Bill Cosby, many of them are too scared to come forward and go public. In our book The Clintons’ War on Women we honor the accounts and provide a voice to women who, until now, have been silenced by the Clintons.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...t-sex-abuse-victims-of-bill-clinton/#_ednref3 Candice Jackson, Their Lives: The Women Targeted by the Clinton Machine, p. 115.
[ii] Kathleen Willey, Target: Caught in the Crosshairs of Bill and Hillary Clinton. Much of Willey’s book is about the terror campaign she was subjected to in 1997 and 1998. Several claims and passages from the book are reprinted here: http://1984arkansasmotheroftheyear.blogspot.com/2012/02/clintons-terrorizing-kathleen-willey.html
[iii] Roger Morris, Partners in Power, p. 238.
[iv] Candice Jackson, Their Lives: The Women Targeted by the Clinton Machine, pp. 17-37.
[v] Michael Isikoff, Uncovering Clinton, p. 162.
[vi] Buzz Patterson, Dereliction of Duty, p. 86.
[vii] L.D. Brown, Crossfire: Witness in the Clinton Investigation, p. 43.

 

[REDEYE]

when is something going to happen to Cosby ? seems like there is enough allegations etc to put this guy away..

 

[texansfan]

when is something going to happen to Cosby ? seems like there is enough allegations etc to put this guy away..

As far as criminally, nothing unless there is something recent. It seems the majority, if not all of the women that have come forward, had this happen to them outside the statute of limitations. The statute of limitations is different in every state of course, but I believe most of these assaults occurred in the 60's, 70's, and 80's.

I could be wrong on there not being a case that's still able to be prosecuted though. I'm sure his professional career is over though, although the guy is pretty old to begin with.

 

[metro]

Bruce are you serious? Sandusky is gay and cosby isn't ... This isn't even close.. Cosby is wayyyyy better than that piece of shit shame on u for asking?.. Dude it's apples to oranges.. I think paternoster and Belichik should be compared

 

[Enfuego]

Bruce are you serious? Sandusky is gay and cosby isn't ... This isn't even close.. Cosby is wayyyyy better than that piece of shit shame on u for asking?.. Dude it's apples to oranges.. I think paternoster and Belichik should be compared

Come on guy, you aren't serious? Cosby is a rapist. Case closed.

 

[pocketrockets]

Bruce are you serious? Sandusky is gay and cosby isn't ... This isn't even close.. Cosby is wayyyyy better than that piece of shit shame on u for asking?.. Dude it's apples to oranges.. I think paternoster and Belichik should be compared

u are delusional

 

[metro]

Sorry .. A heterosexual raper of adults is wayyyyyy better than a GAY sex raper of teenagers c'mon dude really you think it's close?

 

[metro]

Last comment in this thread..one of the guys is gay the other isn't... The gay one is underage targeting.. The other isn't.. But I prefer not to debate further I don't have an interest in the subject of pennstate other than Weztel, Peter king or mort taking the ball and running with the Belichik enabling angle