Iceman said:
HA!!!! with this post you just proved my point.... I was too drunk to go back and check the scores at 4 am in the morning, but i have done that and just found out you actually lost money on the hawaii game..(so did i betting the game straight up, but we are not talking about how dumb i was betting them straight up...we are talking about your dumb idea.)
final score of the half was 35-25 purdue. Which means you lost the -7 and pushed the +10
you lost money on the very example you posted yourself and you expect people to actually buy this crappy idea? (well whats new bro you are the same people trying to sweep books that ripped off people like BOs under the rag so you can sell this silly idea.)
BadCo said:
That is very good strategy........however, many times one will not be able to act fast enough to get the money deposited before the line moves.
Again, you make a solid point.......and on many occassions I have money in NT just for this very reason, as I am sure ICEMAN does at times also.
didnt bother to read this whole thread just the first page, sounds like the main problem is the title. saying you must have 10+ accounts to be successful just isnt something all subscribe to. im sure its one way to go though. iceman posted some valuable insight regardless, but its not the end all be all apparently, to lots on here that do it a different way.
I think the problem is that the Iceman presumes to tell posters what professional gamblers do and do not do, and laughs at people who don't play at "square" books. This coming from a guy who self-admittedly has not won more than he has lost, and in the past has posted a ton of questions which he could have learned the answers to by reading and researching (and back checking data) rather than relying on others. Posters are not always what they seem on these websites, though they would sometimes have you believe otherwise.
It doesn't help when in the past you have posted self-congratulatory threads about when you hit a middle. With the juice you pay, I am not surprised at all that you are not in the black...and you can quote your 7 and 10s and all the lines posted above until the cow comes home, but without including the book and more importantly the juice, it means nothing.
And to X-Files, as much as I always love seeing those cans dancing on my screen, you seem to have misunderstood my point. If your unit size is 1k (not much for a pro) and you are up 30 units, boom SIA gives you the boot. Furthermore, as I stated, you may well have trouble even getting your bet in at that shop (considering their technical difficulties), and those square lines don't last...
I am going to take Fishhead's advice and let it go, but if anyone new to this endeavor happens across this thread, I hope they take EVERYTHING they read on here with a grain of salt.
It doesn't help when in the past you have posted self-congratulatory threads about when you hit a middle. With the juice you pay, I am not surprised at all that you are not in the black...and you can quote your 7 and 10s and all the lines posted above until the cow comes home, but without including the book and more importantly the juice, it means nothing.
And to X-Files, as much as I always love seeing those cans dancing on my screen, you seem to have misunderstood my point. If your unit size is 1k (not much for a pro) and you are up 30 units, boom SIA gives you the boot. Furthermore, as I stated, you may well have trouble even getting your bet in at that shop (considering their technical difficulties), and those square lines don't last...
I am going to take Fishhead's advice and let it go, but if anyone new to this endeavor happens across this thread, I hope they take EVERYTHING they read on here with a grain of salt.
First of all I apologize if anyone thought I was bragging, it was the furthest thing from my mind when I posted this. In fact in my 1st post I said it was a lucky win.
I stick by my belief that if you are going to do this seriously(and that is the key word) than you should give yourself as many outs as you can (and that can mean different for different people) but I would say 10 books would be a nice round amount. I said I laugh at it when people say you only need 3 books or so and then they post what books they have and say that is basically all they need. I am sorry but I think that is 100% wrong and if a player can get in around 10 books it will help him in the long run, espicially one that have better than favorable numbers for the dog because in the long run you are going to squeeze out a few more wins and from what I have learned the extra points come into play alot more than I had orginially presumed.
Last football season I followed alot of so called sharps and played strictly (or close to strictly) dogs and as most that did, I took a beating. I decided that if I was going to do this I wanted to do it the right way so I asked as many questions as I could think of and sucked it up because at 35 years old and being a sports fanatic who has bet for 15+ years (mostly football), I thought I knew it all. I found out that I didn't.
A few posters on here (and another sites) filled me in on their strategies and most importantly explained the math behind some of the plays they made. I have tried my hardest to follow some of the guys that I felt most fit my style as a person and as a gambler and used somewhat their approach to gambling.
I have posted this 10 or so times but I focused on beating the closing line in hoops and had the best stretch of life winning 65 units and felt maybe I was onto something and that something was I was working very hard at this, harder than I ever imagined possibile and it paid off.
I tried the same thing in baseball (a real work in progress) and gave alot of it back, meaning for all the hard work I was not up nearly as much as I should have been. Finally this past fall I have focused more on trying to middle NFL games(around key #'s) with slight leans to games I like and have used locals and some sqaure books to help the cause, as for CFB, middling was a waste of time so I bet games mainly I beat the closing number on, following alot steam and mostly just focusing on betting bad numbers. I have had an EXCELLENT 3 months but BY FAR the best thing that has come out of it is the fact I feel I have learned a skill that I can apply to my HOBBY, one that I take more serious than most I imagine.
My secret is no secret. I am finally winning for the first time in my life due to 1 major reason: Line shopping. Thats it. I have studied line movement and that is what I have focused on. I have picked up all the tricks I could in the past year, learned all the math but the absolute reason I am winning (and for the time I put into it it isn't nearly enough) it goes down to 1 reason, sitting in front of the computer for hours and hours, each and every day. (Betting openers, printing lines in the morning, chasing steam, finding haltime numbers that are off, buying scalping software, reading forums, calling locals, watching most of the games line movement right before kickoff/tipoff seeing if I can grab an extra half point or so, catching books sleeping in the middle of the day, etc..). Beleive me if I was losing I would spend my precious time on something more rewarding and I surely wouldn't be on this forum all day, every day. But for all the time I have put in I could have made alot more money working or pursing something else. But I love this. I hope you can tell that form my posts and because I am winning I feel like I am doing this the right and that is more rewarding to me than the money.
The main reason I am explaining this to you is to emphasize complete honesty. I have no agenda. I've never had. Maybe that is why I am so defensivee during this whole thread. If anything I have been accused of sharing a little more than I probably should have from all the questions. But all I am doing (and was doing at the beginning of this thread) is trying to help anyone who was in the same boat I was a year ago, peroid.
Though I love this forum and all the sports talk/gambling entertainment it provides, I mostly love it for all the knowledge it spreads and that is what all I was trying to do was spread some knowledge that I have learned the past year. I learned when I first started posting on here that you may rub people the wrong way and so I have tried to be as honest w/out coming across as a prick. The last thing I want on a gambling forum(espicially one that has helped me alot) is for anyone to think that I am arrogant or an asshole, so once again if anyone was offended than I apologize and I promise to be a little more selective with my words.
I stick by my belief that if you are going to do this seriously(and that is the key word) than you should give yourself as many outs as you can (and that can mean different for different people) but I would say 10 books would be a nice round amount. I said I laugh at it when people say you only need 3 books or so and then they post what books they have and say that is basically all they need. I am sorry but I think that is 100% wrong and if a player can get in around 10 books it will help him in the long run, espicially one that have better than favorable numbers for the dog because in the long run you are going to squeeze out a few more wins and from what I have learned the extra points come into play alot more than I had orginially presumed.
Last football season I followed alot of so called sharps and played strictly (or close to strictly) dogs and as most that did, I took a beating. I decided that if I was going to do this I wanted to do it the right way so I asked as many questions as I could think of and sucked it up because at 35 years old and being a sports fanatic who has bet for 15+ years (mostly football), I thought I knew it all. I found out that I didn't.
A few posters on here (and another sites) filled me in on their strategies and most importantly explained the math behind some of the plays they made. I have tried my hardest to follow some of the guys that I felt most fit my style as a person and as a gambler and used somewhat their approach to gambling.
I have posted this 10 or so times but I focused on beating the closing line in hoops and had the best stretch of life winning 65 units and felt maybe I was onto something and that something was I was working very hard at this, harder than I ever imagined possibile and it paid off.
I tried the same thing in baseball (a real work in progress) and gave alot of it back, meaning for all the hard work I was not up nearly as much as I should have been. Finally this past fall I have focused more on trying to middle NFL games(around key #'s) with slight leans to games I like and have used locals and some sqaure books to help the cause, as for CFB, middling was a waste of time so I bet games mainly I beat the closing number on, following alot steam and mostly just focusing on betting bad numbers. I have had an EXCELLENT 3 months but BY FAR the best thing that has come out of it is the fact I feel I have learned a skill that I can apply to my HOBBY, one that I take more serious than most I imagine.
My secret is no secret. I am finally winning for the first time in my life due to 1 major reason: Line shopping. Thats it. I have studied line movement and that is what I have focused on. I have picked up all the tricks I could in the past year, learned all the math but the absolute reason I am winning (and for the time I put into it it isn't nearly enough) it goes down to 1 reason, sitting in front of the computer for hours and hours, each and every day. (Betting openers, printing lines in the morning, chasing steam, finding haltime numbers that are off, buying scalping software, reading forums, calling locals, watching most of the games line movement right before kickoff/tipoff seeing if I can grab an extra half point or so, catching books sleeping in the middle of the day, etc..). Beleive me if I was losing I would spend my precious time on something more rewarding and I surely wouldn't be on this forum all day, every day. But for all the time I have put in I could have made alot more money working or pursing something else. But I love this. I hope you can tell that form my posts and because I am winning I feel like I am doing this the right and that is more rewarding to me than the money.
The main reason I am explaining this to you is to emphasize complete honesty. I have no agenda. I've never had. Maybe that is why I am so defensivee during this whole thread. If anything I have been accused of sharing a little more than I probably should have from all the questions. But all I am doing (and was doing at the beginning of this thread) is trying to help anyone who was in the same boat I was a year ago, peroid.
Though I love this forum and all the sports talk/gambling entertainment it provides, I mostly love it for all the knowledge it spreads and that is what all I was trying to do was spread some knowledge that I have learned the past year. I learned when I first started posting on here that you may rub people the wrong way and so I have tried to be as honest w/out coming across as a prick. The last thing I want on a gambling forum(espicially one that has helped me alot) is for anyone to think that I am arrogant or an asshole, so once again if anyone was offended than I apologize and I promise to be a little more selective with my words.
Iceman, you are correct in what you are saying. Even if getting the best number gives you an extra 5 wins out of a 100 bets(Which is probably a low estimate) that could change a win % from 55% to 50% and that would put youin the red instead of the black.
For a $100 per game bettor that changes the bottom line $1,050!
I don't understand where the arguement is from these people.
For a $100 per game bettor that changes the bottom line $1,050!
I don't understand where the arguement is from these people.
Anybody who disagrees with iceman is an idiot.
He is 100% correct. You need all the books possible to get the best number available.
A serious gambler wouldnt walk into any Vegas sportsbook and throw down some money on the first number they get. If they do, he or she has some guts. They visit all sportsbooks in vegas before throwing down thousands.:thumbsup:
He is 100% correct. You need all the books possible to get the best number available.
A serious gambler wouldnt walk into any Vegas sportsbook and throw down some money on the first number they get. If they do, he or she has some guts. They visit all sportsbooks in vegas before throwing down thousands.:thumbsup:
Kruser6 said:
Argument here is not about getting the best number. Of course it makes sense to get the best number.
the argument here is that statement that professional gamblers..(at least the succesful ones) should have more than 10 accounts.
That is the key thing here...NOT THE LINE BUT THE AMOUNT OF RISK ONE WOULD EXPOSE THEMSELVES WHEN GAMBLING AT 10 BOOKS ESPECIALLY IN THESE DAYS OF UNCERTAINITY.
And this guy has been challenged to post some of these so called incredible lines he gets at his 20 books, he has tucked his tail and run because he knows it would take him 6 months to find a line that i cant get one of my four books and the line also has to fall within the number too. Instead he posted a play that he actually lost money rendering his example useless.
LivingOffGamblinMoney2 said:
this is definately some clown who has never been to las vegas. Those of us who have been there know for a fact you are an idiot if you think professionals actually visit all books.
And i guess you must be illiterate or something. There is a huge difference between las vegas casinos and offshores...(May be you will figure it out in two years or when you actually visit las vegas)
Some clown?
Foreign, if you cant name at least 10 books you feel comfortable playing at, you shouldnt be on the internet gambling. I can name 15 books right now, people who have bet 5 figures, day in and day out, who have gotten paid on time and in a timely fashion the past 3 years. I dont get why you would feel insecure gambling with 10 books?
Foreign, if you cant name at least 10 books you feel comfortable playing at, you shouldnt be on the internet gambling. I can name 15 books right now, people who have bet 5 figures, day in and day out, who have gotten paid on time and in a timely fashion the past 3 years. I dont get why you would feel insecure gambling with 10 books?
I posted 10 bets from earlier today that I found in 15 minutes of looking. I think you were sleeping and missing all the great bets that were availbile. I feel the same as others on this. If you are this nervous about the industry than you may want to think twice about being apart of it.
As for the middle, if I hit 1 in 20 (and that bet I posted will) that its a +ev wager. This coming from a guy who bet a 20 point favorite. I don't understand what point you are making.
There has been a ton of questions posters have asked you and you have avoided all of them.
As for the middle, if I hit 1 in 20 (and that bet I posted will) that its a +ev wager. This coming from a guy who bet a 20 point favorite. I don't understand what point you are making.
There has been a ton of questions posters have asked you and you have avoided all of them.
