If you take betting serious- You must have 10+ accounts- reason (tonite) NJ +7

[X-Files]

in my opinion,it is laughable that a professional gambler would fund every tom dick and harry book that came along so he could possibly get an occasional half point,,a pro would not in a million years do that,,financial suicide,,,iceman,im not bashin you,you are still young and very impressionable,,now go and have a wonderful night

I'd suggest that these extra points and half points cum along more often
than every 6 months, and are even a daily thing. Just to illustrate by
way of a past example, at SIA a few years ago one could get several
of these every Sunday in the NFL.

On a side note the differences between SIA and Pinny were at that
time so radical one could make a living just having these two books to
scalp with.

 

[Pitumbo]

I'd suggest that these extra points and half points cum along more often
than every 6 months, and are even a daily thing. Just to illustrate by
way of a past example, at SIA a few years ago one could get several
of these every Sunday in the NFL.

On a side note the differences between SIA and Pinny were at that
time so radical one could make a living just having these two books to
scalp with.

Exactly...and that is why SIA boots players once they have won too much.

Why would pros play there? Hell, a few months ago, a lot of "sharps" on here were freaking out when they tried to get reload bonuses at that shop and there were difficulties crediting their bonuses. Then that weekend, no one could even get logged in to place their bets. I want to believe people on here mean well but generally speaking, there is an awful lot of misinformation that gets thrown around on these posting sites by people claiming to be bigger and "sharper" than they really are.

 

[grizzwizz]

If anyone thinks Iceman is wrong, they don't have a clue about offshore books and should keep their mouth shut.

Pinny
Oly
Chris
5-Dimes
Matchbook
Will-Hill
365
WSEX
SIA
Canbet
Ladbrockers
Betfair
ABC
Bowmans

Can anyone who think he's wrong explain why it's not a good idea to have these books available to me, to do a Neteller deposit when one of them have the best line for me.

 

[X-Files]

Exactly...and that is why SIA boots players once they have won too much.

Why would pros play there? Hell, a few months ago, a lot of "sharps" on here were freaking out when they tried to get reload bonuses at that shop and there were difficulties crediting their bonuses. Then that weekend, no one could even get logged in to place their bets. I want to believe people on here mean well but generally speaking, there is an awful lot of misinformation that gets thrown around on these posting sites by people claiming to be bigger and "sharper" than they really are.

Why would pros play there? I am defining pro to be someone who
makes an income the equivalent amount of which he can live from,
so that he doesn't require any other job. This could be someone
who scalps, or gambles on sides, or both. As noted earlier a few
years ago one could make a living from having SIA and Pinnacle
as outs. Since i am no longer welcome at one of these books, i
cannot tell you if that is still the case.

 

[X-Files]

If anyone thinks Iceman is wrong, they don't have a clue about offshore books and should keep their mouth shut.

Pinny
Oly
Chris
5-Dimes
Matchbook
Will-Hill
365
WSEX
SIA
Canbet
Ladbrockers
Betfair
ABC
Bowmans

Can anyone who think he's wrong explain why it's not a good idea to have these books available to me, to do a Neteller deposit when one of them have the best line for me.

I see nothing wrong with that. I used to have at least 6-10
when i was scalping FT, using 7 {50%} of those on your list.
Aside from ABC, which i am not familiar with, i can say that
is a solid group of books. Do you spend the time to check
the line at every one of those for each game you might be
interested in gambling on? That could require a lot of work.

 

[grizzwizz]

Not to hard when you have them in tabs in Firefox. ABC I havn't used in a couple of years and a couple I've only used for futures, but felt they were save or I woudn't of tied up my funds for months there. I admit I've never used Betfair, but a friend does and I would have no problem signing up with them

 

[mrhognuts]

Exactly...and that is why SIA boots players once they have won too much.

Why would pros play there? Hell, a few months ago, a lot of "sharps" on here were freaking out when they tried to get reload bonuses at that shop and there were difficulties crediting their bonuses. Then that weekend, no one could even get logged in to place their bets. I want to believe people on here mean well but generally speaking, there is an awful lot of misinformation that gets thrown around on these posting sites by people claiming to be bigger and "sharper" than they really are.

it seems there is a certain group on this board who really needs for somebody to be a guru,if some of these so called "sharps" posted that the first thing they do in the mornin is eat their own excrement,it wouldnt be 2 days til one of these younger guys would be posting ALL SERIOUS HANDICAPPERS HAVE GOT TO EAT THEIR OWN EXCREMENT AT LEAST 5 DAYS A WEEK OR YOU DONT STAND A CHANCE!!!! hilarious

 

[randyrohm]

I agree with Ice, the numbers make you or break you, get the best. I keep around 20.

Harrington, I normally keep a balance at Neteller also and there is not much future in waiting for a number at an unfunded account, then transfering money there, getting it credited and then making your bet. It is generally gone. So beef up your BR and add a few outs.

 

[Iceman]

There is no case whatsoever for bos to be one of my four books. If my argument is that one can not have only have at most 4 books in which they can feel secure, it would be stupid to theorize that BOS could be among those four books. They were a marginal book known to steal peoples money, once you get out of the core 4 to 5 books, every other book falls in the same category as BOS..

So the argument that BOS could have been among my four books is bogus and contrary to the whole idea of limiting the number of books to a few establishments.

And yes you are right, my mind is closed and when challeged to provide data for us to verify you have tucked you tail and run...

Just got home for the nite as I stated I was going out. I provided NJ +7 last nite so according to you I will be back in 6 months with my next. If you have been on this board enough I can guarnatee you I have posted TONS of scalpable lines and middles. I do it all the time.

As for your belief of no one has 17 accounts or so, well a few have already chimed in and from the integrity of these particular posters I can promise you they have won alot more than most bet in a year. I have zero agenda and could totally care less if you or anyone else don't beleieve how and where I bet.Why in the hell would I waste my time coming on here posting I have 15-20 books? What would I gain? I am not sure if it is anything to brag about, I am just stating a fact.

All I know is had your attitude back in the day and got CRUSHED. I know all the math behind it and if I am up my win pct a few points because I got a better number than please explain to me and others how this is hurting me. What your saying makes absolutely no sense. I am have heard your statement now make one solid point.

To tell you the truth I am done wasting my time, I have lines to shop. Just remember next time you lose a close game realize that a few of us on here are most likley laughing out loud (and to the bank) because we probably middled it.

 

[Fishhead]

I made my point very very clearly. I said it is absurd to expose yourself at 10 books in an industry as undependable as ours.

Note, this, i am not saying it is bad to look for good numbers, i am specifically stating that the risk of putting money in marginal books (and you would have to do that to meet that ridiculous number of 10)

And this goes to serious gamblers not 100 dollar here and there kind bettors.

I have argued that even with the few books i have , you will not have any distinct advantage over me in the longrun.

You may find a number or two that i cant get but that will probably be once every six months.

If you are talking to a serious gambler, they will all laugh at you in the face if you told them they should expose themselves to that much risk just so to get a the rare line that might not even matter in the long run.

(try to get that point in your head, i can get 99% of all they numbers you can get at my books, the 1% i cant get still has even a slimmer chance to be that particular line will be the one that is decided by the difference you got at one of your 10 books.)

i will state again, 99% of the people here claiming they have 17 books are total clowns that are straight out lying or play with monopoly money. I know bullshit when i read it and i will not be afraid to call you out on it.

Please define the requirements of what a "SERIOUS GAMBLER" is in your own words/thoughts........other than they do not dare ever use more than 4-5 offshore books at one time.

Thanks, this should be very interesting.

 

[Iceman]

Just got -7 and +10 for 2nd half in the Hawaii and Purdue game, at 2 of my 20+ accounts.

Good luck losing money making these type plays. Not going to throw stones. I have proved my point. I could do this all day.

 

[grizzwizz]

Ater pushing 2 halftime baskets in the last 2 hours, I'm laughing even harder at some of the comments here. One game I know I saved my ass by line shopping and I'm kind of wondering what could of been if I did more shopping for the second game. Everything tonight has reminded me to get my my shit together with halftimes, and make sure my accounts are funded and I make the time to find the best price for every game.

 

[foreignlegion]

Just got -7 and +10 for 2nd half in the Hawaii and Purdue game, at 2 of my 20+ accounts.

Good luck losing money making these type plays. Not going to throw stones. I have proved my point. I could do this all day.

yeah whatever man....you think we are this stupid? why the fuck didnt you post these numbers earlier so we could compare to what other major books got....But then again, you think people are fucking retards so they will simply buy your shit..

why cant you post your shit when we are all fucking awake and sober....
oh wait, i know why..because you are full of shit and not trying to get fucking caught thats why...


dont worry bro, you probably got a bunch of new fvcking as morons that will buy your lames ass shit about how you are a a pro gambler with 10 or so books...that shit is so fucking believable, and understantable, like that moron who was explaining how the fuck he got messed up with betonsports, but it wasnt his fault because he recommended it to a bunch of other folks..

 

[mrhognuts]

iceman,you can settle this tomorrow,post all these great numbers you are gettin,name the book,and then i will compare them with pinnys number,,lets try that for one month and see what happens,,,,now go and have yourself a wonderful day!!,,,ps please post these numbers in plenty of time for us to check them out,,,,thanks

 

[Fishhead]

iceman,you can settle this tomorrow,post all these great numbers you are gettin,name the book,and then i will compare them with pinnys number,,lets try that for one month and see what happens,,,,now go and have yourself a wonderful day!!,,,ps please post these numbers in plenty of time for us to check them out,,,,thanks

Why compare them to JUST Pinnys number though?

If one shops and has many outs, they will find a better number than Pinny(or any ONE book), the large majority of the time.

A lot will depend on what TIME the wager is placed also.

On any one given day and time, there are mega-numerous books that will have the BEST number.............and precisely why having as many outs as possible is a tremendous advantage for a sportsbettor.

 

[Moon88]

You guys still at it? Ice it was probably how you came out and said "it cracks me up....." sounds like you're smarter then others for the fact of having more outs. Now lets move on to the NFL for some winners.

 

[anxietyattack]

Just got -7 and +10 for 2nd half in the Hawaii and Purdue game, at 2 of my 20+ accounts.

Good luck losing money making these type plays. Not going to throw stones. I have proved my point. I could do this all day.

Ok, where in the world did you get -7 at? I surely looked at 15 books and the best number i saw was -7.5 -110. Please tell us where??

Also Iceman most of your middles should come from your locals that you are dealing with. If you were around 5 years ago you would have gotten much better numbers than you are getting right now on the internet. The state of the industry is nothing like it was just a few years ago. Not even remotely close. If you have locals and can compare their numbers to the ones on here than fine, but most of the people on here get frustrated when they see the clone lines. SIA for instance is nothing like it use to be. Nothing! On every night in the NBA just a few short years ago they would have at least a point and a half difference on 2 games every night. The NFL was even crazier. They have toned it down and have come back to the norm. The best things to middle now are the more obscure sporting events. For instance the James Madison against Youngstown St. last night. Olympic had pick'em up for awhile and pinny had YSU at +3 -112 at same time. Actually their were hundreds of good middles in NCAA div. 1AA this year. However for the main sports that everyone looks at it's obvious that it takes so much more work than it use to to find the lines we all use to love.

 

[Iceman]

yeah whatever man....you think we are this stupid? why the fuck didnt you post these numbers earlier so we could compare to what other major books got....But then again, you think people are fucking retards so they will simply buy your shit..

why cant you post your shit when we are all fucking awake and sober....
oh wait, i know why..because you are full of shit and not trying to get fucking caught thats why...


dont worry bro, you probably got a bunch of new fvcking as morons that will buy your lames ass shit about how you are a a pro gambler with 10 or so books...that shit is so fucking believable, and understantable, like that moron who was explaining how the fuck he got messed up with betonsports, but it wasnt his fault because he recommended it to a bunch of other folks..

this proves my point. It is probbaly because when you are out partying some of us are working on this. I posted this the SECOND I grabbed the +10. What the hell do you want me to do. Look it up. Good numbers pop up all day long. You have to prepared and be looking for them. I can't help it if some of us are actually woking and putting a TON of hours into this.

For your information I got these halftimes numbers at the Greek and Cris. Two very reputable books. You act like that is some major accomplishment. It just shows how little work some others are puting into this.

As for posting these. I post 1 (within in an our of getting home) and I get called a liar. Like I said I have nothing to prove. This isn't rocket science, it's math.

Let's see your advice is to basically not line shop. I (and a few others) are still waiting for any kind of reasoning or explainations you have on how to beat this game. Yeah, I like your approach, when I am near the computer I will grab a number and make my play. Sounds like a winnning approach.

As for getting into a pissing match with this guy, it is not worth it. He has brought nothing to the table. Been here over a year and this has to be the STUPIDEST argument I have been apart of.

 

[Fishhead]

this proves my point. It is probbaly because when you are out partying some of us are working on this. I posted this the SECOND I grabbed the +10. What the hell do you want me to do. Look it up. Good numbers pop up all day long. You have to prepared and be looking for them. I can't help it if some of us are actually woking and putting a TON of hours into this.

For your information I got these halftimes numbers at the Greek and Cris. Two very reputable books. You act like that is some major accomplishment. It just shows how little work some others are puting into this.

As for posting these. I post 1 (within in an our of getting home) and I get called a liar. Like I said I have nothing to prove. This isn't rocket science, it's math.

Let's see your advice is to basically not line shop. I (and a few others) are still waiting for any kind of reasoning or explainations you have on how to beat this game. Yeah, I like your approach, when I am near the computer I will grab a number and make my play. Sounds like a winnning approach.

As for getting into a pissing match with this guy, it is not worth it. He has brought nothing to the table. Been here over a year and this has to be the STUPIDEST argument I have been apart of.

Let it rest ICE, it is obvious that he is just making an attempt to stir the pot in something he probably knows damn well your 100% correct on.

 

[Iceman]

iceman,you can settle this tomorrow,post all these great numbers you are gettin,name the book,and then i will compare them with pinnys number,,lets try that for one month and see what happens,,,,now go and have yourself a wonderful day!!,,,ps please post these numbers in plenty of time for us to check them out,,,,thanks

I spent 15 minutes with this and realize that this is before most of the good stuff is coming out (1st half in hoops, steam, 2nd halves, last hour before kickoff and this is a small board today). Not to mention I haven't even scratched the surface on some small scalps.


Wyoming +3.5 (SIA)
over 210.5 LA Clipers (Greek) # moved
Atlanta -3 -109 (Matchbook) # moved
Western Michigan +2.5 1st half (Cascade) # moved
Over 39.5 Houston (SIA)
Buffalo +1.5 (SIA) 1st half
Over 39.5 Pittsburgh (Carib)
under 36.5 -105 Carolina (Pinnacle)
Over 44 Philadelphia (Carib)
Carolina -4 -107 (BetMania) # moved
Under 199 Toronto (Carib)


All the numbers that moved other than the Clippers total were there for at least 5 minutes.
This is just a SMALL sample. I could honestly post dozens and dozens of these. I think you get my point. The best stuff is still out there and you can usually find closer to gametime. It is all about timing, they are gone quick. I could post a ton more but I have work to do.

Is this earth shattering? NO but is line shopping and it is exacly what I said at the beginnning. It will effect about 4 out of 100 games and make most 50% cappers 55%.

Fish,
I am officialy done.