I Hate to say this but Jim Tressel needs to go

[3peet]

Its a mystery why Pete Carroll and the Trojans have those one bad games against inferior competition every season..

Gyn,

I honsestly think its the LA Laker syndrome. Kinda cruise the reg season, except in this case instead of cruising SC seems to sleep walk the easiest games and when its time to flip the switch there isn't enough time left in the game. Very frustrating.


As for coach comparisons here's an excerpt I lifted from today's LA Times.

....Started on the Trojans' 14-yard line with little or no chance to salvage it.

Barkley stepped aside while Coach Pete Carroll paid a sudden surprise visit to the huddle.

"Hey! How cool would it be for us to take the ball downfield and win this game?" Carroll screamed at the players.

Then Carroll left, and it was all Barkley, and the kid was smiling, some teammates even said he was joking, and later when he asked whether he thought he could pull it off, he answered simply.

"Yes," he said. "I knew our offense was going to score."

Can't see Tressel doing that.

 

[bigtendominator]

LMAO at the idiots on here.

Threads like these make me laugh when fans criticize coaches for not winning all the games.

Bank this, USC will blow a game this year and a PC one will pop up. It happened last year after USC lost to Oregon State.

Happened after Stoops lost to Florida.

Happened after Mack Brown lost to TT.

Honestly, I think great coaches get criticized more than average ones.

Tressel, refute these numbers:

Offense vs top5 ranked teams in last 6 losses

Read em and weep..


Total points scored by Buckeyes.. 74

Average ppg.. 12.3


Opponents points scored 169

Average ppg.. 28.2


OSU total yards passing.. 958

Ave passing yds per game.. 159.6


OSU total yards rushing ,, 659
Ave. rushing yards per game.. 109.8

Highest passing total .. 226 vs PSU
Lowest passing total.. 35 vs. Florida

Highest rushing total.. 203 vs Texas
Lowest rushing total.. 47 vs. Florida

Recap.. ppg average 12.3
pass. average 159.6
rush aveerage 109.8

 

[PokerKingJim]

LMAO at the idiots on here.

Threads like these make me laugh when fans criticize coaches for not winning all the games.

Bank this, USC will blow a game this year and a PC one will pop up. It happened last year after USC lost to Oregon State.

Happened after Stoops lost to Florida.

Happened after Mack Brown lost to TT.

Honestly, I think great coaches get criticized more than average ones.

It's the nature of the beast. Team loses, blame the QB and coach. I wouldn't fire him but he made some piss poor decisions last night and needs to infuse some new life into his stale offense

 

[bigtendominator]

Coach LT,You bring up a great point because wherever Kelly has been a coach at he has won and he would be a good fit at Ohio State because I think with the recruits he could get to come to Columbus and his offensive mind the sky is the limit or anywhere that he would go to because I dont think he will be in Cincy too much longer coaching there.

Gravy,

Don't even get me excited thinking about Kelly running the OSU offense.

 

[jblonghorn]

Move Pryor to WR and all of Ohio State's dreams will come true.....(sigh).....

 

[substyle]

we yell at jim for being too conservative, then we also yell at him when he tries to move the ball with a minute to go and less than a 1 touchdown lead at home to a team that has beaten him so many times before. he can't win, we are going to yell at him nomatter what until he beats SC.

But seriously now, out of all the schools in the big 10, HE is the one that needs to go?

All last night showed was that joe mcknight > everyone on both OSU and USC. Why the fuck is he still in college.

 

[bigtendominator]

we yell at jim for being too conservative, then we also yell at him when he tries to move the ball with a minute to go and less than a 1 touchdown lead at home to a team that has beaten him so many times before. he can't win, we are going to yell at him nomatter what until he beats SC.

But seriously now, out of all the schools in the big 10, HE is the one that needs to go?

All last night showed was that joe mcknight > everyone on both OSU and USC. Why the fuck is he still in college.

The mistakes that Tressel made are the following:

USC has no timeouts remaining and gets the ball to start the 2nd Half, OSU could have run the ball and killed the clock and gone into the locker room up 10-7.

1st and goal at the 2, you have a battering ram at QB, and you run 0 plays for him to get it in. They do not do an effective job of push straight up the middle, as witnessed in the Navy game as well.

Petrey has a leg up to 60, including a 52 yarder last week. So, what does Tressel do, he punts the ball, instead of trying for the FG.

Tressel takes chances when he shouldn't and goes conservative when he shouldn't.

 

[Haystacks]

Its a flat out difference in philosophy, mentality and attitude. Tressel plays it safe and is far too conservative. The vest speaks for itself. Especially considering the talent his team possesses. Imagine if say Nick Saban, Meyer, any of the Bowdens, Spurrier or even Pat Hill had the caliber of OSU's squad? My Trojans probably woulda lost by 2 TD's last night. Pete Carrol on the other hand leaves it all on the field on every down. It's an attitude of "My team is better than yours, I'm a better coach than you and I'll make sure you don't forget it." Forget that he goes on it on 4th down almost 50% of the time. How about the mere fact that he decided to have a true freshman command this team knowing he's 4 deep in QB's that could start anywhere else in th country? To measure Tressel vs Carrol is completely opposite in every aspect of college football.

Why was Carrol such a dope when he was in the NFL ?

 

[JETE]

He didnt need to go after he beat the u for the bcs

fans are so funny,you ever think maybe they arent better

than whoever they lose to?they werent better than any team

they played for the title,thats for sure.

Be careful what you wish for brother.

 

[MackDonald]

Maybe Tressel should just stop wearing those "sleeveless Sweaters.

 

[CrapGame]

I don't Tressel needs to go anywhere.

As long as he can keep beating Mich. nothing else really matters Ohio.

There is no doubt Tressel is a run first coach. Pound the ball to set up the pass and have a strong quick defense that is mean as all hell.

The game is evoling and Mich running a spread offense shows the even the big 10 cannot stop progression of fireworks on offense.

I don't know if Tressel is going to open the offense up. In the past he has had the players to do that but that really is not his style.

The man won a national champion ship!

YOU know what that means?
He is a bad ass coach that has won it all. Not a lot of coaches can say that.

He is going to be done when Mich blows them out a couple of years in a row and I do think they will.

 

[Sekrah]

Petrey has a leg up to 60, including a 52 yarder last week. So, what does Tressel do, he punts the ball, instead of trying for the FG.

Tressel takes chances when he shouldn't and goes conservative when he shouldn't.

So we're criticizing Tressel for not going for a FG with a big kicker, but then we criticize him for not being aggressive and try to pick up 25-30 yards to get into FG range for another score before half?

Please. This is just results-orientated absurdity. Whenever someone makes an aggressive play call (onside kick, fake punt, deep play-action bomb on 4th and inches), and it works we call the coach a friggin genius. If it fails you all rip him to shreds for making lousy decisions. If Ohio State would of picked up the first down, gotten down there and kicked another field goal before halftime and ended up winning the game by 2, you would all be hailing the "New, Aggressive Jim Tressel" and "He's finally shed his conservative play calling, and now he wins".

None of you ever have been, nor will ever be a college coach at this level and you don't know a g-damn thing about what these coaches go through with their weekly preparations and in-game strategy.

What a fucking joke this thread is.

 

[TFULL09]

As a Buckeye fan, beating Michigan and winning Big-10 titles is nice, but we expect more. Kicking a field goal in the 4th quarter from the 36 would have been insane. Nobody will ever get me to think any different. I thought the punt was the right decision. Kicking a field goal on the 1 was retarded and I was pissed about that one.

 

[A2Gator]

The mistakes that Tressel made are the following:

USC has no timeouts remaining and gets the ball to start the 2nd Half, OSU could have run the ball and killed the clock and gone into the locker room up 10-7.

1st and goal at the 2, you have a battering ram at QB, and you run 0 plays for him to get it in. They do not do an effective job of push straight up the middle, as witnessed in the Navy game as well.

Petrey has a leg up to 60, including a 52 yarder last week. So, what does Tressel do, he punts the ball, instead of trying for the FG.

Tressel takes chances when he shouldn't and goes conservative when he shouldn't.

I agree with the first two mistakes you listed, but regarding the punt, don't you think that this is more of a mistake in the hindsight of OSU losing? Imagine if he had called the FG, Petrey missed it, and USC has an even easier time scoring from the short field. People would be destroying him for attempting such a long FG at the end of the game when OSU was up.

I do think Tressel needs to make some changes, but I also think he probably shouldn't be fired just yet. Bottom line is that OSU has been in the national spotlight as a top-tier team for however many years in a row now.

That said, I also don't think he actually will make any changes. He was quoted as saying that he wouldn't be changing his philosophy, and that he thought games were won by playing conservatively when you are in the lead. IMO that is a really stupid thing to say just a day or two after some very public empirical evidence to the contrary. hno:

 

[Gravy]

What a fucking joke this thread is.

Sekrah,Please stay out of this thread if this thread is a joke to you as you sure seem to comment on it alot.

 

[Sekrah]

Sekrah,Please stay out of this thread if this thread is a joke to you as you sure seem to comment on it alot.

Ahh.. the originator of this thread decides to show up. Sorry if I offended you by challenging your absolutely absurd opinion. From now on, only people who agree with the Subject Line are allowed to participate in the discussion. So all of you can sit around and pat one anotherr on the back with one hand and jerk each other off with the other.

 

[Gravy]

Ahh.. the originator of this thread decides to show up. Sorry if I offended you by challenging your absolutely absurd opinion. From now on, only people who agree with the Subject Line are allowed to participate in the discussion. So all of you can sit around and pat one anotherr on the back with one hand and jerk each other off with the other.

Sekrah,Do us all a favor and go back down your parents basement and go root on Joe Paterno and stay out of my threads you idiot.I can voice my opinion of what I think of Jim Tressel and trust me I'm not the only one that feels this way of his "conservatism" on offense.

Now stay out of my thread and I will stay out of your threads from now on

 

[MackDonald]

A lot of good comments.......with a lot of passion;
that's what the Rx is all about.

 

[hippieki11er]

Its a mystery why Pete Carroll and the Trojans have those one bad games against inferior competition every season..

No it's not. These are 18 to 22 y/o KIDS we're talking about here and motivation and mental strength are the biggest two mental factors at that point in one's life. Combine that with the incessant attention the media gives to 'SC and their incredible record during the Carroll era, and you've got the biggest target on your back if you're 'SC. Everyone's always up for them, but the same can't be said on the other side.. it's simply too physically and mentally taxing on the kids (and even the staff) to be amped for each opponent.

Also, keep in mind that Carroll runs practice harder than most pro teams do (confirmed by numerous current 'SC alumni in the pro's). Carroll takes the approach that practices are competition not only for playing time, but for each starting position. This balls-to-the-wall approach is the first area to get criticized when 'SC under-performs against a Stanford or Oregon State, but it's also been the bread and butter that's brought the program back from the dead.