How Religious are you?

[Preussen]

Preussen,

I am now officially ignoring you, because your points are extremely
lame to the point that you clearly want to argue with me, just for
the sake of disagreeing with every damn thing I have to say.

If you wish to stick up with Barman's assertion that he can talk to
any dead person in history - as well as his cult's position that there
is no such thing as sin, sickness and death in reality - well, then
more power to you.

:grandmais

I'm always amazed how cleverly and intelligently you refute my "lame" points.

Zit, don't worry, you are not the first neocon getting fed up with having the weaknesses of their arguments exposed by me (and others) all the time.

 

[barman]

Werent there countless stories thousands of years before Jesus lived detailing almost the exact same thing? How is this explained?

*Yes

*Zealot Fundy Christians don't explain it. They just say it never happened

 

[barman]

Btw, just mentioning Barman's religion does not refute his arguments. I know this comes as a shock to you, seeing how often you employed this in recent days, but you have to learn to accept reality. ;-)

ZIT's been pretty flapped up ever since the day last month when fellow Pubster PAT PATRIOT and I specifically cited our active affiliation with Unity - a sect of Christianity that does not accept in lockstep many of the interpretations embraced by zealot fundamentalist sects of Christianity.

I have no idea where the "talking with dead people" smak originated. I guess one would have to get inside ZIT's fevered imagination to answer that one.

 

[kingbill]

I'm sure all of us could talk to the every dead person...but really I don't think we'd get any answer.

 

[festeringZit]

ZIT's been pretty flapped up ever since the day last month when fellow Pubster PAT PATRIOT and I specifically cited our active affiliation with Unity - a sect of Christianity that does not accept in lockstep many of the interpretations embraced by zealot fundamentalist sects of Christianity.

I have no idea where the "talking with dead people" smak originated. I guess one would have to get inside ZIT's fevered imagination to answer that one.

Really Barman? Smoking to much dope to keep your facts straight again?

Here, I'll help remind you:

Let me know if that helps Barman.

 

[nimue77]

It's a sign of maturity Bill.

Believing in the ghost in the sky is a sign of maturity?:missingte

 

[festeringZit]

Believing in the ghost in the sky is a sign of maturity?:missingte

Sorry, I don't have enough faith to believe that we got here by
evolving from some swamp goo.



Or, as Richard Dawkins suggests: That an alien flew to earth,
and blew a load of sperm which seeded life on our planet.

I just don't have enough blind faith for that, but if that's your
cup of tea, have at it.

hno:

 

[barman]

I'm sure all of us could talk to the every dead person...but really I don't think we'd get any answer.

Don't be too sure, though I doubt you're making a stern declaration above.

I myself communicate both ways with a former mentor and spiritual advisor who passed from this plane about eight and half years ago.

I suppose that means I could do it with others as well, but I've yet to give it much of a go.

There are countless stories from people with great integrity who have had or continue to have ongoing contact with close loved ones who have made the transition from this plane.

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Many of the more zealot Fundamentalist sects of Christianity discourage the exploration of these type of communications - suggesting that it can be dangerous and expose the inquiring mind to some type of demonic or satanic invasion. Make of that what you will. I'm sure it's little surprise I find such notions rather silly.

 

[nimue77]

No offense Barman....but it's called dreaming.

Don't be too sure, though I doubt you're making a stern declaration above.

I myself communicate both ways with a former mentor and spiritual advisor who passed from this plane about eight and half years ago.

I suppose that means I could do it with others as well, but I've yet to give it much of a go.

There are countless stories from people with great integrity who have had or continue to have ongoing contact with close loved ones who have made the transition from this plane.

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Many of the more zealot Fundamentalist sects of Christianity discourage the exploration of these type of communications - suggesting that it can be dangerous and expose the inquiring mind to some type of demonic or satanic invasion. Make of that what you will. I'm sure it's little surprise I find such notions rather silly.

 

[kingbill]

Seriously the more I learn about religion the more and more it seems like some lord of the rings type thing.

 

[festeringZit]

Don't be too sure, though I doubt you're making a stern declaration above.

I myself communicate both ways with a former mentor and spiritual advisor who passed from this plane about eight and half years ago.

I suppose that means I could do it with others as well, but I've yet to give it much of a go.

There are countless stories from people with great integrity who have had or continue to have ongoing contact with close loved ones who have made the transition from this plane.

===
Many of the more zealot Fundamentalist sects of Christianity discourage the exploration of these type of communications - suggesting that it can be dangerous and expose the inquiring mind to some type of demonic or satanic invasion. Make of that what you will. I'm sure it's little surprise I find such notions rather silly.

Can't keep your stories straight huh barman? 5 posts ago in #63 you
said you had no idea where I got the idea that you talked to dead
people, then when I call you on it - you now admit to it again.

The amazing thing is that you have the gall to try and make fun of
orthodox Christians on here.

hno:

 

[roadreeler57]

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How many people saw him rise from the dead? How many people actually had seen him rise from a state of death into a spirit? None. All they seen were a tomb was empty… thus it was said… he must have risen from the dead: because there was a big rock in front of the place. This to me is the ultimate act of jumping the shark. I mean a human being not being in his grave, doesn't mean he should be automatically in heaven, after all isn't your spirit and electrical charge or a state of mind...since when is it physical? If you dig up mother Theresa, if she is still there, bones and all, does this mean she didnt ascend...or is God the only one that can do so? Self preservation non-sense if you ask me. Its just another wild ride on the circular logic roller coaster. I admire spirituality, but what i don’t admire is faith. Faith taking value over logic is self defeating and foolish. Shit in one hand, put faith in the other…what do you have?

& as I always say why argue about Religeon?........If religeon gives people hope then Im all for it....I believe in the Man upstairs because everything (the Universe & everything in it) could not just be "here" so therefore it had to be created by God (Higher Power).I don't go to Church except for weddings & funerals...People that don't believe should just keep it to themselves because the negativity undermines hope for the rest of us...If you don't believe whats in the bible then make up your own story as long as you mention a higher power it does'nt really make any diffrence does it?

 

[Bjizzle06]

Barman, it seems as though you want to take the stance of being the "logical" realistic Christian -- rejecting the idea that Jesus had a bodily resurrection. Then you turn right around and claim that you can talk to dead people, and you lose all credibility (among both theists and nontheists).

I just want to ask you why you reject the idea of a bodily resurrection?

 

[roadreeler57]

Can't keep your stories straight huh barman? 5 posts ago in #63 you
said you had no idea where I got the idea that you talked to dead
people, then when I call you on it - you now admit to it again.

The amazing thing is that you have the gall to try and make fun of
orthodox Christians on here.

hno:

I did'nt detect in Barmans post that he was trying to make fun of anybody but just from what some Christians teach to what he believes which to me is OK... Like myself I don't believe in hell or some Guy with red horns & a tail but I do believe in evil which is just about the same diffrence as what Barman said.

 

[barman]

No offense Barman....but it's called dreaming.

Except for when you're wide awake and sitting at the kitchen table. But other than that, yeah

Haven't read a whole lot of other accounts in detail to know where and when those individuals did their own interaction with those passed from this plane.

 

[barman]

Seriously the more I learn about religion the more and more it seems like some lord of the rings type thing.

heh...depends on the day and what I had for dinner the night before

So far haven't seen any Golems in my late night chats with my passed mentor

 

[barman]

Barman, it seems as though you want to take the stance of being the "logical" realistic Christian -- rejecting the idea that Jesus had a bodily resurrection. Then you turn right around and claim that you can talk to dead people, and you lose all credibility (among both theists and nontheists).

I just want to ask you why you reject the idea of a bodily resurrection?

Hey BJ...I for one have never rejected the idea of a bodily ressurrection - for either Christ or any other human being who has attained sufficient spiritual enlightenment.

Such a notion harmonizes in full with my understanding (via the Christian gospels for one of many respected sources) that the life force is eternal. And therefore none of us need cave in to the Old Testament-style mythology that we can be punished by God after his life via the withholding of our eternal life force.

 

[barman]

I did'nt detect in Barmans post that he was trying to make fun of anybody but just from what some Christians teach to what he believes which to me is OK... Like myself I don't believe in hell or some Guy with red horns & a tail but I do believe in evil which is just about the same diffrence as what Barman said.

Thanks for astute reading here RR.

I fully embrace the Christian gospels as taught within the limited exposure we have to them in the New Testament scriptures.

What I do NOT embrace is many of the interpretations shared by zealot fundamentalist Christian sects. Notable would be the belief by many fundy Christians that God is a punishing God who will send select souls to a burning hell fire with eternal separation from the higher power life force.

And of course I reject the spooky children's boogeyman vision of a red tailed, horned demon who is the scapegoat for all of mankind's erroneous thinking.

 

[roadreeler57]

Thanks for astute reading here RR.

I fully embrace the Christian gospels as taught within the limited exposure we have to them in the New Testament scriptures.

What I do NOT embrace is many of the interpretations shared by zealot fundamentalist Christian sects. Notable would be the belief by many fundy Christians that God is a punishing God who will send select souls to a burning hell fire with eternal separation from the higher power life force.

And of course I reject the spooky children's boogeyman vision of a red tailed, horned demon who is the scapegoat for all of mankind's erroneous thinking.

Yeah thats the Guy Im talking about,the guy on the right...LOL

 

[HiPockets]

Freedom from religion :
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