How can you validate anything that happened in the past? There
is a logical, rational way to verify claims made in antiquity.
Which is why renowned scholars who study archeology, secular and
religious history, ancient texts... conclude that the events as they
are recorded by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John did indeed occur.
#1. All I have to base my faith on is NOT just a book written 2,000
yrs ago. All of creation cries out for an intelligent designer. There are
many, many other reasons why I believe in the God of the Bible.
Have you ever seen a demon possessed person? I have.
#2. Christianity does not reject science. It does reject the religion
of Darwinism, which is not science.
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How rational is resurrection?
How logical is resurrection?
Have you ever seen someone resurrected? I haven't, so using your logic, therefore it reaffirms my belief that its not possible.
You’re saying there is no form of evolution? Evolution isn't a choice. As far as ID, i would be willing to somewhat agree, but then again, mathematics is intelligence and it explains the universe just fine. In fact so fine, we still dont understand alot of it. Does this mean that go uses mathematics to forge the earth? I would be willing to agree that he does, but this makes the big bang not possible and instead gives you the unscientific earth created first logic witch then leads to the God cheats his biology design with 3 day rises form the dead...but only for God and his son. Not only is this an extreme case of nepotism, but its also another form of self preservation, is it not?
Huh?
Math doesn't *explain* anything.
How does math *explain* gravity? It doesn't. Scientists/mathematicians
make observations, and try to find equations that fit their observations.
There is no equation that *explains* gravitational pull. There
are equations that model it - but explaining the "why?" , Nope.
Scientists are still trying to figure out sub-atomic particles - there is
a whole universe inside the atom - but you're going to tell me that
math "explains" it all? You lack a basic understanding of what
mathematics is.
How rational is resurrection?
How logical is resurrection?
Have you ever seen someone resurrected? I haven't, so using your logic, therefore it reaffirms my belief that its not possible.
So... anything that you haven't personally seen is impossible?
hno:The resurrection was a miracle. Miracles do happen, all over the world.
Is it in and of itself rational? Maybe not, but the facts surrounding it
suggest that it is a rational conclusion, which is why many skeptics
who set out to disprove it, come out w/ the opposite conclusion.
Again, my point about his disciples GIVING THEIR LIVES as MARYTRS
is a VERY strong one, considering that Jesus said he would rise again -
so that if Jesus didn't rise from the dead, they gave up their lives
for a known lie - which is IRRATIONAL to believe.
Another fun thread where a fairly uncomplicated Poll question evolves into a string of posts from ZIT wherein he informs everyone how wrong they are and how right is he.
I can't see his Ignored posts unless someone else Quotes him, so I did smile when I saw him speak out in support of the Islamic suicide bombers in Israel
Originally Posted by festeringZit
a reasonable person (That's ZIT of course) should research why his followers went from being a dejected, dispersed, rejected motley bunch - to a group of passioned zealots who over-turned the world. And, were willing to (and many did) die for their cause.
No one is willing to die for something they know to be a lie. ...
I can't see his Ignored posts unless someone else Quotes him, so I did smile when I saw him speak out in support of the Islamic suicide bombers in Israel
Originally Posted by festeringZit
a reasonable person (That's ZIT of course) should research why his followers went from being a dejected, dispersed, rejected motley bunch - to a group of passioned zealots who over-turned the world. And, were willing to (and many did) die for their cause.
No one is willing to die for something they know to be a lie. ...
OMG, I will repeat the point for a 3rd time.
No sane person is going to become a martyr for something they
knew to be a lie, or someone they know to be a liar.
1. Jesus told his followers many times that he would be killed and
would rise on the 3rd day.
2. Historical fact that Jesus was crucified by the Romans
3. Historical fact that many of his followers became willing martyrs
in the 1st century
One of these martyrs was his brother James, who was a skeptic during
Jesus' life.
Question - Why would his followers become martyrs for a liar?
Why would his brother James give up his life for his dead brother?
Answer: Because jesus did indeed rise on the 3rd day and appeared
to them.
The Mulsim martyrs are not killing themsleves for someone they knew
to be a liar, they think that Mohammad is a true prophet.
so all the people in Jim Jones camp was insane as was Corresh and the like, among countless others but people 2000 years ago were perfectly sane..for doing the SAME EXACT thing? Obviously the ride for trip around the track of circular logic is back. I love roller coasters! Im going back to work.
:nohead: :missingte :lol:
so all the people in Jim Jones camp was insane as was Corresh and the like, among countless others but people 2000 years ago were perfectly sane..for doing the SAME EXACT thing? Obviously the ride for trip around the track of circular logic is back. I love roller coasters! Im going back to work.
:nohead: :missingte :lol:
Jones, Koresh did not make miraculous claims including rising from the
dead, Jesus did.
I absolutely agree. I never said the early Christians didn't believe the stories to be true.
But where I live, the fact that some people honestly believe in something doesn't automatically make it a fact. See:
Btw, just mentioning Barman's religion does not refute his arguments. I know this comes as a shock to you, seeing how often you employed this in recent days, but you have to learn to accept reality. ;-)
Preussen,
I am now officially ignoring you, because your points are extremely
lame to the point that you clearly want to argue with me, just for
the sake of disagreeing with every damn thing I have to say.
If you wish to stick up with Barman's assertion that he can talk to
any dead person in history - as well as his cult's position that there
is no such thing as sin, sickness and death in reality - well, then
more power to you.
:grandmais
