How Are They Going To Force Sterling To Sell??

[PatsFan1283]

Where did you get the $2.5B valuation from? Forbes

nah the 2.5 was just a report of how much it could possibly go for. I doubt it hits 2.5 unless the bidding gets crazy. It wouldn't shock me though considering the finite # of big market sports franchises that go on sale.

I think it'll be 1.5 to 2 range.

This isn't apples to apples but Dodgers went for 2bill and once they got their TV situation right they were thrilled with that deal.

 

[bigtendominator]

Sterling said he was offered 2.5 billion. Could just be posturing. Who knows.

No chance. Lakers/Knicks are 1.5-1.6 at best. The NBA isn't like the NFL, but their expenditures are almost similar. NFL is straight gold. NBA, so many teams aren't even profitable.

 

[akphidelt]

What's crazy is if this happened couple years ago before Blake and Paul, this wouldn't even be a discussion. Would be worth less than the Bucks, lol.

 

[PatsFan1283]

No chance. Lakers/Knicks are 1.5-1.6 at best. The NBA isn't like the NFL, but their expenditures are almost similar. NFL is straight gold. NBA, so many teams aren't even profitable.

Nah no way. The Knicks are the main asset of a public company that is valued in the 4B range. Local/national TV revenue is greater than ever and that is before you get into the global aspect.

Also people can talk business valuation all they want but we live in a world with more billionaires than ever. Teams don't just sell based on a balance sheet. There is a big premium on buying a pro sports team in a market like LA.

If the Yankees got sold tomorrow they wouldn't go for less than 3billion I doubt (although the MLB new revenue sharing might hurt them, I'm not really that well versed on MLB)

 

[PatsFan1283]

I know Cuban just talks to talk but he did say the Bucks new owner got a bargain at 550 million. I don't agree with that but it does show a team like LAC that has a new local/national TV deal coming is gonna command a big premium.

When you get people like Larry Ellison and David Geffen getting into a pissing contest over a toy that only 1 of them can have, price inflation happens.

 

[bigtendominator]

Nah no way. The Knicks are the main asset of a public company that is valued in the 4B range. Local/national TV revenue is greater than ever and that is before you get into the global aspect.

Also people can talk business valuation all they want but we live in a world with more billionaires than ever. Teams don't just sell based on a balance sheet. There is a big premium on buying a pro sports team in a market like LA.

If the Yankees got sold tomorrow they wouldn't go for less than 3billion I doubt (although the MLB new revenue sharing might hurt them, I'm not really that well versed on MLB)

NYY maybe, just because the brand and location. However, with the attendance and lack of on field success right now, no way they for that.

As for Cablevision, they own MSG, Rangers, Daily News. They are way bigger than just the Bricks.

 

[akphidelt]

I know Cuban just talks to talk but he did say the Bucks new owner got a bargain at 550 million. I don't agree with that but it does show a team like LAC that has a new local/national TV deal coming is gonna command a big premium.

When you get people like Larry Ellison and David Geffen getting into a pissing contest over a toy that only 1 of them can have, price inflation happens.

No doubt, a lot of big wigs are going to want this status. It will go for far more than it's worth. I think in the $1.5-$2 bil range. Ownership is more important than investment in this case.

 

[bigtendominator]

I know Cuban just talks to talk but he did say the Bucks new owner got a bargain at 550 million. I don't agree with that but it does show a team like LAC that has a new local/national TV deal coming is gonna command a big premium.

When you get people like Larry Ellison and David Geffen getting into a pissing contest over a toy that only 1 of them can have, price inflation happens.

Geffen and Ellison are in the same group, I could be mistaken.

 

[bigtendominator]

No doubt, a lot of big wigs are going to want this status. It will go for far more than it's worth. I think in the $1.5-$2 bil range. Ownership is more important than investment in this case.

I will wager you the Clippers don't sell for over $1.5B

 

[akphidelt]

NYY maybe, just because the brand and location. However, with the attendance and lack of on field success right now, no way they for that.

As for Cablevision, they own MSG, Rangers, Daily News. They are way bigger than just the Bricks.

I honestly think the Yanks would go for $5b if they sold. They are the most marketable team in all of sports.

 

[akphidelt]

I will wager you the Clippers don't sell for over $1.5B

I rather do the NCAAF wager. Because this is just me speculating and I have no real knowledge of how much the team will sell for. However, I'm a baller in NCAAF and do have knowledge in that.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Geffen and Ellison are in the same group, I could be mistaken.

oh yeah that is right.

Well then Ellison and Steve Ballmer, you get what I mean.

Simmons had a good take on this but I can't find it in his archives.

 

[bigtendominator]

I honestly think the Yanks would go for $5b if they sold. They are the most marketable team in all of sports.

NYY are domestic team. The Lakers have greater market value globally, not to mention teams like Real Madrid, Barc, Man U.

When you spend $5B on team, you have to be able to eventually get your worth out of it.

The Yankees had a great 15 year run, but they are about take a major hit. They lose Jeter, have Afraud on payroll for $75M more. Their stars suck. Tex, CC. No more MO and Jorge and others. Yes, they are an incredible brand and but the days of over paying for companies like yahoo and others is disappearing.

The Browns sold less than 24 months ago for $1B. The NFL is so profitable it is unreal. The NFL is able to cover salary costs from National TV revenue alone. This doesn't include, ticket sales, advertising, merchandise sales, local media.

 

[bigtendominator]

oh yeah that is right.

Well then Ellison and Steve Ballmer, you get what I mean.

Simmons had a good take on this but I can't find it in his archives.

But there must be something against Larry, because he put his bid for GSW and didn't get it. Ballmer wants notoriety, just don't know how much he wants to pay for it?

 

[bigtendominator]

I rather do the NCAAF wager. Because this is just me speculating and I have no real knowledge of how much the team will sell for. However, I'm a baller in NCAAF and do have knowledge in that.

Put all the parameters into place. Before we not, the season will be here.

 

[PatsFan1283]

NYY maybe, just because the brand and location. However, with the attendance and lack of on field success right now, no way they for that.

As for Cablevision, they own MSG, Rangers, Daily News. They are way bigger than just the Bricks.

The Knicks aren't under the Cablevision umbrella anymore though. They spunoff a few years ago into MSG.

MSG owns the Knicks, Rangers, the network and a few other smaller assets like a few amphitheaters.

If someone bought the Knicks and took them private, I'd presume they would buy MSG network and the Garden too so I was including that

 

[akphidelt]

NYY are domestic team. The Lakers have greater market value globally, not to mention teams like Real Madrid, Barc, Man U.

When you spend $5B on team, you have to be able to eventually get your worth out of it.

The Yankees had a great 15 year run, but they are about take a major hit. They lose Jeter, have Afraud on payroll for $75M more. Their stars suck. Tex, CC. No more MO and Jorge and others. Yes, they are an incredible brand and but the days of over paying for companies like yahoo and others is disappearing.

The Browns sold less than 24 months ago for $1B. The NFL is so profitable it is unreal. The NFL is able to cover salary costs from National TV revenue alone. This doesn't include, ticket sales, advertising, merchandise sales, local media.

Yankees have a century of tradition. And the fact the Browns sold for $1B, the Yankees would draw a ridiculous amount of money. I honestly think it would be over $3b and in the $5b range. It is the most historic sports team in American history.

 

[akphidelt]

Put all the parameters into place. Before we not, the season will be here.

I thought we agreed on the parameters already just not officially agreed to the bet? 8/15 is due date and the rest is in place. The only question I had was whether or not conference championships or bowl games counted but I'm assuming they do not.

 

[PatsFan1283]

NYY are domestic team. The Lakers have greater market value globally, not to mention teams like Real Madrid, Barc, Man U.

When you spend $5B on team, you have to be able to eventually get your worth out of it.


The Yankees had a great 15 year run, but they are about take a major hit. They lose Jeter, have Afraud on payroll for $75M more. Their stars suck. Tex, CC. No more MO and Jorge and others. Yes, they are an incredible brand and but the days of over paying for companies like yahoo and others is disappearing.

The Browns sold less than 24 months ago for $1B. The NFL is so profitable it is unreal. The NFL is able to cover salary costs from National TV revenue alone. This doesn't include, ticket sales, advertising, merchandise sales, local media.

Yeah I think the Yanks would go for 2.5-3 if Dodgers went for 2 but I do agree their next 15-20 years is going to be nothing like their last 15-20 years.

More parity/revenue sharing in MLB than ever before. Other teams are much better equipped to keep their best players now. With MLBTV and local Tv revenue the other teams are doing much better as well.

10 years ago the Yanks would have McCutchen, Cabrera and be rumored to be adding Trout right about now.

 

[bigtendominator]

Yeah I think the Yanks would go for 2.5-3 if Dodgers went for 2 but I do agree their next 15-20 years is going to be nothing like their last 15-20 years.

More parity/revenue sharing in MLB than ever before. Other teams are much better equipped to keep their best players now. With MLBTV and local Tv revenue the other teams are doing much better as well.

10 years ago the Yanks would have McCutchen, Cabrera and be rumored to be adding Trout right about now.

100% right.