Hawaii Vs Boise St......info, Insights, And Other Stuff Concerning This One......

[Co-Captain]

Took boise -18 and also at - 20 1/2. And I still see value in the favorite at 21 1/2. Also hawaii injury report courtesy of db: (gl all)

10/24/04 RB Mike Bass Knee is "?".
10/24/04 DL Kahai LaCount Knee is "?".
10/24/04 CB Turmarian Moreland Foot is "?".
10/24/04 DB Cameron Hollingsworth Illness is "?".
10/24/04 DE Nkeruwem Akpan Undisclosed is "?".
10/24/04 LB Lincoln Manutai Undisclosed is "?".
10/24/04 CB Se'e Poumele Arm out for the season.
10/24/04 DL Mel Purcell Chest is "?".
10/24/04 LB Tanuvasa Moe Hamstring is "?".
10/24/04 CB Kenny Patton Hamstring is "?".
10/24/04 S Lono Manners Ankle out for the season.
10/24/04 LB Ikaika Curnan Ankle is "?".
10/17/04 WR Nate Ilaoa Knee is "?".
10/11/04 DT Keala Watson Undisclosed is expected to miss the rest of the season.

plato, who or what is db that gave you this injury report?...this list is not accurate or complete....go and read my two FYI: post with the newspaper articles which accurately informs you on who is injured and what is Coach Jones opinion on their status for this game....It also tells you who they already have planned to take their places should they not be able to play....Anyway, GL with your play on Boise St...Aloha CC.

 

[Co-Captain]

Line Update:


Monday Oct 25...11:15 pm est...current game line is still 21.5 ....but the TOTAL O/U line has gone up to 74, with some 73.5 out their as well.


C'mon Boise Backers keep driving the line up...I want it to go over 24 pts....LOL.:heh:


Still no ML posted for all the Believers and Hardcore Homers to Hit.

 

[plato]

Co, db stands for don best, it is the officially reported injury report as of 10-25. That's not to say others aren't hurt (local articles are the key in all sports, especially in college), but that is what has been reported.

 

[Co-Captain]

Co, db stands for don best, it is the officially reported injury report as of 10-25. That's not to say others aren't hurt (local articles are the key in all sports, especially in college), but that is what has been reported.

Thanks...no wonder, I didnt know what db stands for..I dont use his site anymore....Your right about the local articles, and I posted two of them from two of the major papers in Hawaii....I think they are missing DL Faga's elbow inj...and DB Elimimian's hamstring......Aloha CC.

 

[plato]

Yes, thanks your articles were informative, here is another one:

Head Coach Junes Jones Monday Quotes (October 25, 2004)


Release Date: 10/25/04

On Chang approaching the NCAA passing mark...
"It's not a distraction. I don't talk about it, nobody talks about it. He's lived with it for a year and a half, it's not like it's a shock this week, for him. You can ask me all about it after, but when a guy is throwing a no-hitter, or a guy is setting a course record, you don't talk about it, you just go play."

On the play of quarterback Timmy Chang...
"He's playing better than he's played in any year I've been here. I didn't think he was playing very well until I looked at the tape, then I realized he played a pretty good game. Even the two interceptions he threw, one was a perfect pass, but the guy fell down, and the other one hit a guy in the head and bounced off. But when you think about his play, and add six or seven dropped touchdown passes on top of it, it'd be pretty unbelievable numbers for one year. He needs to continue to do that to give us a chance to win."

On the short turn-around...
"If it was a different team than Boise, it'd probably be more advantageous for us to be on a short week, but they don't stray from what they do, on either side of the ball. If they didn't show up all week in practice, and we didn't go all week in practice, we'd still know what do on Friday, because they're that way. They don't dream up new plays every week, they just do what they do."

On facing Boise State...
"The opportunity is there [for a win], certainly, but if you put that much into one game, and it doesn't work out that way, it's just one game. Of course, it'd be a big win, but it's one game, and we come home and play five or six more after that. We're going in there with nothing to lose, and we're going up there to have fun and play loose. Nobody expects us to win, but we know we have a chance. They're very well-coached and have a tremendous home-field advantage. Everything is going their way. But I don't know why we'd be going up there if they already had it marked down as a win."

Also a trend for you (for hawaii, albeit not great for this year so far):


Play Against - Any team (BOISE ST) - off 2 straight wins against conference rivals, undefeated on the season.
(82-49 over the last 5 seasons.) (62.6%, +28.1 units.)

The straight up record of the team this system pertains to is : (43-89 over the last 5 seasons.)
The average line posted in these games was: Opponent favored by 13.9
The average score in these games was: Team 21.9, Opponent 33.2 (Average point differential = -11.3)
The number of games in which this system covered the spread by 7 or more points was 60 (45.8% of all games.)

The situation's record this season is: (5-9).
Over the last 3 seasons the situation's record is: (34-28).
Over the last 10 seasons the situation's record is: (168-137).
Since 1992 the situation's record is: (210-186).

 

[ChadC]

lets see if i got this straight. Hawaii is gonna play Boise St. and get pounded. Co-captian will be all in on Hawaii. also, Timmy chang is horrible, and Ty Detmer was a better college QB

I saw him play up close and personal in High School and College. He is simply the most overrated player I have ever come across. Hawaii is the only Div 1 team he could of started for because he is a local legend. Rolovich was better than him I thought when he was there. All the locals love him though so he had to play. He is short and has a below average arm. Hawaii's system is great for QB's though so he has great numbers. I will bet anything he doesn't even get drafted and if he does it will be past the 6th round and he will be cut shortly there after just like Major Applewhite.

 

[CDL]

I disagree

I dont think there is any way Chang breaking the record overshadows Boise and the BCS. I think you are over hyping it based on living in Hawaii. Like most others in here who wager, I follow pretty much everything in college football, and while you hear Changs name and reputation, I dont see the hype for him breaking the record. I think Hawaii is looked upoan as a gimicky passing program, sort of like when Andre Ware won the heisman or the QB's now at Texas Tech. Huge numbers, because all they do is pass, but not great Qb's outside that system.

NOt saying Boise St kills Hawaii, just dont agree at all that the hype for Chang will over shadow over even bother Boise St.

 

[Co-Captain]

Thanks For Sharing The Info....always Good To Hear What The Coach Is Thinking.....imo, To Be Successful In Capping Teams Like Hawaii...you Need To Not Only Be Aware Of The Team, Its Matchups, And Situations...you Need To Be Aware Of How Coach Jones Is Thinking And Feeling As Well...he Has An Agenda And A Plan To Bring Hawaii Into The National Spotlight And Bring More Recognition For The Warrior Program As Well...so In Some Games, In Certain Situations He Will Be More Focused And Determined To Play A Certain Way...and Because He Calls The Game For The Warriors On Offense...knowing How He Is Seeing A Particular Game Or Opponent Can Be An Advantage In Getting A Feel For What Will Happen...

This Year Though, I Suffered Two Big Losses Following The Warriors...ironically They Were The Two Losses That They Had On The Road...i Dont Think The Players Can Be Totally Blamed For Those Losses....in Those Two Road Games, Coach Jones Called A Completely Different And Rather Stupid Game Plan On Offense, Which I Feel Was More Of A Reason For Them Losing Those Two That Badly....in Both Of Those Games, He Completely Ignored Using The Running Game Which Was So Effective And A Big Reason Why The Offense Has Been Clicking In The Games Previous....why He Chose To Not Follow On The Successful Outcomes Of Those Games Is A Total Mystery To Me....and No One In Hawaii Will Ask Him About This, Because Most People Here Simply Want And Depend On Chang To Lead The Way To Victory....well, Chang Is A Major Reason For Getting Wins For Hawaii...but You Dont Ignore Other Aspects Of The Offense, Especially When It Is Effectively And Efficiently Putting Up Big Numbers As Well...

Against Boise, I Hope He Remembers That This Offense Runs A Whole Lot Better And Is More Successful, And Makes It Easier For Chang And His Receivers To Do Their Damage...when The Running Game Is Keeping Defenses Honest And Off Balance...the Passing Game Is Hard To Stop....if He Does Not Utilize The Running Game Because Boise St Is The Best In The Nation Vs The Run...then Hawaii Will Have No Chance....just Like In The Utep And Rice Games...

 

[Co-Captain]

I saw him play up close and personal in High School and College. He is simply the most overrated player I have ever come across. Hawaii is the only Div 1 team he could of started for because he is a local legend. Rolovich was better than him I thought when he was there. All the locals love him though so he had to play. He is short and has a below average arm. Hawaii's system is great for QB's though so he has great numbers. I will bet anything he doesn't even get drafted and if he does it will be past the 6th round and he will be cut shortly there after just like Major Applewhite.

CHADC...AGAIN, WHY ALL THE ANIMOSITY TOWARD TIMMY, LIKE HIGHDADDY SHOWN....DOES IT MATTER REALLY HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT HIM....ALL YOU GUYS DO IS CONSTANTLY SAY HE IS OVERRATED, YET YOU FORGET THAT HE SIMPLY CONTINUES TO PUT UP BIG NUMBERS AND A LOT OF POINTS...WHICH IS BTW THE WAY THE OBJECT OF THE GAME....YOU ARE COMPLETELY ALSO FORGETTING WHAT HE IS ACCOMPLISHING THROUGHOUT HIS YEARS THAT NO OTHER QB HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO...LOOK IN THE LAST 13 YEARS SINCE TY GOT THE RECORD, NO OTHER QB CAME CLOSE TO THIS MARK....

CHANG, AS I MENTIONED TO HIGHDADDY, WILL NOT ONLY HOLD THE TOTAL PASSING YARDAGE RECORD, BUT HE WILL ALSO OWN THE COMPLETION, TOTAL OFF, AND POSSIBLY MOST TDS THROWN, ETC, WHEN HE IS DONE....I DONT THINK ANY QB WHO CAN CONSISTANTLY PUT UP THIS TYPE OF NUMBERS YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT, CAN BE CONSIDERED OVERRATED....ESPECIALLY NOT THIS YEAR, WHICH IS HIS BEST YEAR EVER IN HIS CAREER....LAST YEAR, EVERYONE WAS SAYING THAT HE IS OVERRATED CAUSE HE THROWS TO MANY INTS...THE YEAR BEFORE WAS BECAUSE HE IS TO SOFT AND GETS INJURED A LOT....WELL, THIS YEAR HE IS NOT DOING ANY OF THOSE THINGS AND HE IS HAVING HIS BEST SEASON EVER..AND RANKS IN THE TOP OFFENSIVE CATEGORIES IN THE NATION, EVENTHOUGH THEY HAVE A LOSING RECORD....AND THIS SAYS A LOT ABOUT HIM..

BTW, HAWAII'S STYLE OF OFFENSE IS NOT AS UNIQUE AND UNLIKE MOST OFFENSIVES OUT THERE....THERE ARE A LOT OF TEAMS OUT THAT RUN THE SAME OR SIMILAR TYPE OF OFFENSE AS HAWAII DOES...IE: TT, CLEMSON TO NAME A FEW...MANY TEAMS USE THE RUN AND SHOOT STYLE OF OFFENSE WITHOUT A TE AND WITH A SINGLE BACK FORMATION.....TT'S HC COMES FROM THE SAME BACKGROUND AS JONES...THESE GUYS WERE THE GROUP OF NEW STYLE OR OFFENSIVE PIONEERS THAT STARTED THEIR OWN UNIQUE NON CONVENSIONAL STYLE OF OFFENSE, WHICH IS OPPOSITE OF THE OLD FASHION PRO STYLE OFFENSES THAT USE THE RUN FIRST TYPE OF SCHEMES....NOWADAYS, MOST TEAMS WILL USE THE PASS TO SET UP THE RUN AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND....THIS IS WESTERN STYLE OF OFFENSE...JUST LOOK AT THE PAC 10, MWC, WAC, CONF USA....IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE NATION, YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF TEAMS ARE STARTING TO INCORPERATE IN THEIR SCHEME THIS STYLE OF OFFENSIVE APPROACH....UTILIZING 3 TO 4 RECEIVER FORMATIONS WITH QB IN THE SHOT GUN AND ONE BACK.

WHAT MAKES HAWAII SUCCESSFUL IS THE FACT THAT COACH JONE IS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ON WHAT TYPE OF PLAYERS ARE NEEDED TO MAKE THIS OFFENSE COMPETITIVE AND EFFECTIVE....SOMETHING THAT MANY COACHES DONT KNOW HOW TO DO...THIS IS WHY SINCE HE HAS BEEN AT HAWAII, WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD A SHITLOAD OF RECEIVERS TO CONTRIBUTING TO THE SUCCESS OF THIS OFFENSE....I THINK LAST YEAR, HAWAII HAD 11 DIFFERENT RECEIVERS WHO CAUGHT A TD PASS FROM CHANG....HELL MOST TEAMS ARE LUCKY IF THEY GET 3 RECEIVERS WHO RECORDED A CATCH FOR A TD....

ANYWAY...JUST FOR YOUR INFO...SINCE I FEEL YOU ARE A BIT OFF IN YOUR ASSESSMENTS.....FIRST, ROLOVICH WAS THE STARTER WHO LOST HIS JOB TO CHANG WHEN HE WAS A FRESHMAN....THEN WHEN CHANG GOT HURT HE PLAYED AGAIN, BUT WASNT THAT EFFECTIVE, AND HE LOST HIS JOB AGAIN..TO CHANG....ONLY IN HIS LAST FEW GAMES TAKING OVER FOR A WOUNDED CHANG WAS HE ABLE TO FINALLY GET THINGS ROLLING...BUT REMEMBER, THE OFFENSE WAS AT THAT TIME ALREADY ROLLING AND CLICKING ON ALL CYLINDERS WITH WRS ASHLEY LELIE AND THE OTHER BEVY OF WRS, NOT TO MENTION THREE NFL O-LINEMAN PROTECTING HIM...SO ALL ROLO HAD TO DO WAS STEP IN AND TO AN ALREADY FLOWING OFFENSE....JUST LIKE WHAT WHIELDON DID LAST YEAR WHEN CHANG WAS OUT...

AS FOR YOUR COMMENT ABOUT CHANG ONLY BEING ABLE TO PLAY FOR HAWAII...WELL, FOR YOUR INFO....CHANG DIDNT GET NATIONAL RECOGNITION WHEN HE STARTED PLAYING FOR HAWAII....NO, CHANG GOT NATIONAL RECOGNITION WHEN HE WAS IN HS PLAYING FOR NATIONALLY RANKED ST LOUIS HIGH SCHOOL....WHEN CHANG CAME OUT OF HS RATED AS THE 21ST BEST QB IN THE NATION....NOT IN HAWAII, BUT IN THE NATION....HE COULD OF WENT TO SEVERAL PAC 10, BIG 10, EVEN MIAMI, TEXAS, MICH ST, AND SEVERAL MORE BIG TIME PROGRAMS WERE AFTER HIM.....HE IS NOT THAT SMALL...HE IS 6'2 AND A LITTLE OVER 200 LBS....REASON WHY HE STAYED IN HAWAII, WAS BECAUSE JONES WAS HIRED AND ONLY RECRUITED TIMMY TO RUN HIS OFFENSE....NOW JONE IS FROM THE NFL AND HAS COACH GREAT QB'S LIKE GEORGE, ETC....SO HE KNOWS CHANG HAD THE TALENT, AND ALSO KNEW THAT OTHER PROGRAMS KNEW IT AS WELL...BEFORE CHANG, QB JASON GESSAR, NOW PLAYING FOR TENN TITANS WAS RECRUITED TO PLAY FOR WASH ST AND MIKE PRICE'S PASS HAPPY OFFENSE....CHANG WAS PERFECT FOR THIS OFFENSE, BECAUSE HE CAME FROM A NATIONALLY RANKED HS FOOTBALL PROGRAM IN ST LOUIS WHO ALSO RUNS THE RUN AND SHOOT OFFENSE....SO HE FIT PERFECTLY FOR JONE'S OFFENSE...BUT DONT THINK THAT CHANG WASNT HIGHLY RECRUITED.....CHANG COULD OF RECEIVE A SCHOLARSHIP FROM PROBABLY ANY COLLEGE IN THE NATION, THAT HE WANTED TO ATTEND...AS HE WAS RANKED 21 ST BEST QB PROSPECT IN THE NATION...NOW DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY QB'S AND HS, THERE ARE IN THE NATION....YEAH, THOUSANDS...

AS FOR HIM NOT GETTING DRAFTED...OR CUT AFTER IF HE DOES...WELL, THAT WONT HAPPEN...JONE IS A RESPECTED NFL COACH WHO WAS A HC IN THE NFL....AND WHO GAVE UP OVER 3 MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT FOR 3 YEARS TO COACH HAWAII, LIKE HE ALWAY DREAM SOME DAY HE WOULD DO AFTER HE PLAYED HERE......JONE HAS THE CONECTIONS AND HE KNOWS WHO HAS THE TALENT TO BE IN THE NFL...C'MON JONES WAS A HC IN THE NFL AND COACHED SOON TO BE FUTURE HALL OF FAME QB'S...I THINK HE WOULD KNOW IF CHANG HAD THE POTENTIAL....TRUST ME, I DONT KNOW IF CHANG WILL GET A CHANCE TO START AT QB IN THE NFL, BUT HE WILL BE IN THE NFL...THAT I KNOW...I MEAN, LOOK AT ALL THE FLUKY BACKUPS WHO IS IN THE NFL....HERES ONE OF THEM, KOY DETMER...JOHNATON QUINN, OR CRAIG KRENZAL....PLEASSSSE...IF THESE FLUNKIES CAN MAKE IT, THEN CHANG WILL DEFINATELY MAKE IT....MAJOR APPLEWHITE IN MY OPINION DIDNT MAKE IN THE PROS, BECAUSE HE DIDNT HAVE IT MENTALLY OR PHYSICALLY...AND HE BENEFITTED BY BEING AROUND A **** LOAD OF TALENT THAT TEXAS HAD IN WR'S AND RB'S...I MEAN PLEASSE....HAWAII DOESNT EVEN HAVE THE CALIBER OF WRS THAT APPLEWHITE HAD AT HIS DISPOSAL....NOPE WE ONLY HAVE SMALL, BUT TOUGH LOCAL BOYS, WHO PLAY THEIR HEARTS OUT...BUT LOOK AT ALL THE YARDS AND POINTS THEY WERE ABLE TO PUT UP......CANT DENY THAT...BTW, JONES HAS CREDITIALS TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT A PLAYER CAN MAKE IT IN THE NFL....NO OFFENSE, BUT YOU DONT HAVE ANY CREDENTIALS WHICH MAKES YOU AN EXPERT ON NFL CALIBER QB'S, SO I WILL HAVE TO TRUST IN JONE KNOWING WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT IN REGARDS TO CHANG BEING ABLE TO PLAY IN THE NFL...

I THINK ALL OF YOU GUYS WHO FEEL SO NEGATIVELY ABOUT TIMMY CHANG WILL JUST HAVE TO LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT....HE WILL BREAK THIS RECORD AND BE RECOGNIZED AS THE MOST PROLIFIC PASSER IN NCAA HISTORY.....THESE RECORDS BY CHANG WILL BELONG TO HIM AND HAWAII FOREVER.... NO ONE WILL EVER BREAK IT OR EVEN COME CLOSE TO BREAKING IT.....SO YOU ALL WILL SIMPLY JUST HAVE TO GET USED TO IT, CAUSE THERE IS NO DENYING THE NUMBERS, TDS, WINS, AND SUCCESS THAT HE HAS ACHIEVED FOR HIMSELF, HAWAII, AND THE WARRIOR FOOTBALL PROGRAM.....BELIEVE THAT BABY AND ALOOOOHA CC.


PS: TIME TO START WRITING THOSE HEARTFELT LETTERS TO TY DETMER, BECAUSE HE WILL SURELY NEED IT AFTER TIMMY TAKES OVER HIS THROWN AS THE MOST PROLIFIC PASSER EVER IN NCAA FOOTBALL HISTORY!...GOT TO LUV IT....YOU GO HAWAIIAN....AWWWRIIGHT!:heh:

 

[Co-Captain]

I dont think there is any way Chang breaking the record overshadows Boise and the BCS. I think you are over hyping it based on living in Hawaii. Like most others in here who wager, I follow pretty much everything in college football, and while you hear Changs name and reputation, I dont see the hype for him breaking the record. I think Hawaii is looked upoan as a gimicky passing program, sort of like when Andre Ware won the heisman or the QB's now at Texas Tech. Huge numbers, because all they do is pass, but not great Qb's outside that system.

NOt saying Boise St kills Hawaii, just dont agree at all that the hype for Chang will over shadow over even bother Boise St.

I DIDNT SAY THAT THE HYPE WILL OVER SHADOW BOISE ST...I SAID THAT THE HYPING OF CHANG BREAKING THE RECORD MAY WORK IN FAVOR OF MOTIVATING BOISE ST TO TOTALLY TRY TO SHUT HIM DOWN....GETTING A WIN OVER HAWAII WILL NOT DO ANYTHING TO BETTER BOISE ST'S CHANCES TO GET A HIGHER RANKING IN THE BCS MY FRIEND...BOISE ST IS EXPECTED BY EVERYONE TO EASILY BEAT HAWAII...I MEAN, THEY ARE ONLY RANKED 15 TH IN THE NATION, RIGHT...AND HAWAII HAS PLAYED ONE OF THE WEAKEST SCHEDULES IN THE NATION....DONT SEE ANY WHERE YOU SEE ANY TALK WILL COME ABOUT BOISE ST'S GETTING TO A BCS BOWL GAME.....THEY MOST LIKELY WONT BECAUSE THEY NEED TO RANKED IN THE TOP 6 TO DO THIS AND UTAH IS RANKED 6TH AND THEY SHOULDNT LOSS ANOTHER GAME AT ALL THIS SEASON.....BOISE ST'S CHANCES WAS KILLED BY UTEP AND LA TECH BEATING FRESNO, AND THEN BY UTEP BEATING LA TECH, WHO WAS DESTROYED BY BOISE.....WHO ELSE CAN BOISE ST DEFEAT THAT WILL GET THEM TO JUMP 9 SPOTS TO RANK 6TH....AND WHO IN THE TOP 6 WILL GET DEFEATED IN ORDER FOR THEM TO MOVE UP 9 SPOTS....BOISE'S HOLDING THE NATIONS LONGEST WINNING STREAK IS MORE NEWS FOR THEM....BCS BOWL WONT HAPPEN WITH THEIR REMAINING GAMES VS LA TECH, NEVADA, AND SJST.....PLUS, BOISE ST'S WINS AGAINST FRESNO AND OREGON ST...DOESNT GIVE ANY TRUE VALUE FOR THEM ANYMORE....

BTW...I MAY BE HYPING UP THIS MAJOR ACHIEVEMENT THAT CHANG WILL REACH, BUT TRUST ME, EVENTHOUGH JONES AND CHANG ARE NOT OVERHYPING IT....THIS ACCOMPLISHMENT WILL BE TALKED ABOUT AND WRITTEN ABOUT, AND SHOWN ON TV BEFORE THIS GAME...AFTER THIS GAME, AND THE DAYS FOLLOWING, THROUGHOUT THE NATION....THIS IS A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT....REMEMBER, NO ONE HAS EVER PASSED FOR THIS MUCH YARDS BEFORE EVER....AND THIS RECORD WILL BE PUT COMPLETELY OUT OF REACH FOREVER WHEN CHANG ENDS THE SEASON....AND THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY THIS IS A BIG DEAL....BECAUSE IT WONT EVER BE BROKEN AGAIN....HEY I3 YEARS HAS PASSED SINCE TY BROKE THE RECORD....AFTER CHANG BREAKS IT...WONT EVER SEE ANY ONE EVER TO BREAK IT AGAIN....EVER!..THIS ALONE IS MIND BOGGLING AND DESERVING OF BEING OVER HYPED TO ITS FULL CAPACITY....

PLUS WHO CARES HOW IT WAS DONE..OR WHAT TYPE OF OFFENSE IT WAS DONE WITH....THAT DOESNT MATTER, BECAUSE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT SOMEONE HAD TO PASS BLOCK FOR PROTECTION, SOMEONE HAD TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACCURATE FOR ALL THESE YARDS, AND A LOT OF CATCHES HAD TO BE MADE....TO ME HOW IT WAS ACCOMPLISHED SOUNDS LIKE SIMPLE AND REGULAR PLAYS AND THINGS EVERY TEAM DOES WHEN IT PLAYS THIS GREAT GAME CALLED FOOTBALL....GIMICKY YOU SAY...I THINK IT IS MORE FAIR TO SAY VERY TALENTED PLAYERS WERE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.

 

[Co-Captain]

OF MAKING THEIR PASSING OFFENSE THE BEST AND MOST DOMINANT...JUST LIKE WHAT YOU WOULD SAY WHEN A PLAYER BREAKS THE ALL TIME RUSHING RECORD...YOU WOULDNT SAY THAT THEY ONLY RAN IT ALL THE TIME...OR SOME OTHER STUPID EXCUSE...NO YOU WOULD SAY THAT VERY TALENTED ATHLETES WERE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING THEIR RUNNING OFFENSE VERY DOMINANT...WHICH WAS LEAD BY POSSIBLY THE BEST RB OF ALL TIME....JUST LIKE PEOPLE WILL SAY AFTER TIMMY BREAKS THIS RECORD, THAT HE IS THE ALL TIME BEST PROLIFIC PASSING QB IN NCAA HISTORY TO EVER PLAY COLLEGE FOOTBALL....PLAIN AND SIMPLE...


NO NEED TO BE MAKING EXCUSES OR TRYING TO TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT ANOTHER ACHIEVES...ESPECIALLY IF WHAT IS ACHIEVED IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS ALWAYS ACHIEVED OR EASILY DUPLICATED....SHOWS NO INTELLIGENCE OR RATIONAL THOUGHT TO HIDE BEHIND AN EXCUSE....LIKE I SAID, THE NUMBERS DONT LIE....AND IT WASNT LIKE HE GOT LUCKY AND ACHIEVED THIS ON LUCK....NO WAY, PASSING FOR OVER 15,OOO YARDS, IS A MAJOR ACCOMPLISHMENT THAT AGAIN, WE WILL NEVER SEE DUPLICATED AGAIN....NOW WHAT CAN YOU SAY ABOUT THAT...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING...ALL YOU CAN DO IS SAY WOW!...


REMEMBER NOW...FOOTBALL IS A SIMPLE GAME...YOU RUN WITH THE BALL...YOU PASS THE BALL...AND YOU CATCH THE BALL....NOW YOU TELL ME WHERE IS THE GIMMICK IN THAT!:neenee: ....LASTLY, YES I AM PROUD OF TIMMY AND WHAT HE WILL ACCOMPLISH...WHY, BECAUSE FOR ONE I, LIKE YOU SAID, IS FROM HAWAII LIKE HIM,...TWO I AM ALSO HAWAIIAN LIKE HIM,... BUT LASTLY, AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANT WHY I AM VERY PROUD AND HAPPY FOR HIM, IS BECAUSE I PERSONALLY KNOW TIMMY, AS WELL AS, HIS FAMILY.....NOT TO MENTION, THAT HE IS A SOLID, FRIENDLY, HUMBLE GUY...THAT ANY PERSON WOULD BE LUCKY TO BE ASSOCIATED AND FRIENDS WITH...IF HE BREAKS THE RECORD AT BOISE ST ON NATIONAL TV...YOU WILL SEE WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT, WHEN THEY INTERVIEW HIM....HE IS SIMPLY ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS....INSIDE AND OUT....BUT DONT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, JUST WATCH AND SEE....

 

[MSUMark]

I was thinking about taking Boise, but it seems like the world is on them.

 

[Ezrin]

Co-captain,

I live here too but will pass on the game. I think Boise will crush them but I'm hoping somehow they can pull the upset; I just never can bet against them so I'll just pass. Anyway, I'm fairly new to this and was wondering if you know anything about HSW? Are they reputable? My friend says they have a big game coming up but I don't really trust these type of services. Have you heard anything good or bad about them?

Ez

 

[Co-Captain]

LINE UPDATE: TUESDAY OCT. 26....10:48 PM EST.



BOISE FAVORED UP TO 22 PTS AT THE MOMENT.

OVER/UNDER HOLDING STEADY AT 73.5 PT.



-C' MON PUSH THIS LINE TO 24 PTS...PLEASE!:heh:

 

[truelyhandicapping]

I saw him play up close and personal in High School and College. He is simply the most overrated player I have ever come across. Hawaii is the only Div 1 team he could of started for because he is a local legend. Rolovich was better than him I thought when he was there. All the locals love him though so he had to play. He is short and has a below average arm. Hawaii's system is great for QB's though so he has great numbers. I will bet anything he doesn't even get drafted and if he does it will be past the 6th round and he will be cut shortly there after just like Major Applewhite.

RIGHT ON!


I THINK APPLEWHITE WAS BETTER.

LOCAL BOY, TURN HERO, TURNING BURGERS AT MCDONALDS IN ABOUT 10 MONTHS.:toothless

 

[Co-Captain]

RIGHT ON!


I THINK APPLEWHITE WAS BETTER.

LOCAL BOY, TURN HERO, TURNING BURGERS AT MCDONALDS IN ABOUT 10 MONTHS.:toothless

AGAIN TRULY WITH THE IGNORANT STUPID COMMENTS IN MY THREAD....WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GROW UP KID!....AND LIKE I SAID TO CHADC, I WILL SAY IT TO YOU....YOU HAVE NO CREDENTIALS TO BE MAKING ANY ASSESSMENTS OR JUDGEMENTS IN REGARDS TO A QB'S FUTURE IN THE NFL....PLUS IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW ALREADY, THIS IS NOT THE TREAD FOR WHAT YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN TO CHANG IN THE FUTURE...THIS IS ON THE BOISE ST VS HAWAII GAME....SO KEEP YOUR WORTHLESS OPINIONS TO YOURSELF....IT IS NOT USEFUL OR NEEDED HERE...GOT IT KID!:neenee:

NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR YOUR BS HERE....IF YOU HAVE SO MUCH TO SAY...THEN I SUGGEST THAT YOU PUT IT ALL IN A WRITE-UP BACKING YOUR PLAYS, IN YOUR OWN THREAD....DAMN, YOU TRY AND GIVE A GUY THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT AND ALL HE DOES IS REVERT BACK TO BEING A KNUCKLE HEADED JERK.:neenee: .....I GUESS SOME GUYS WILL NEVER LEARN HOW TO GET OVER THEIR OWN PERSONAL JEALOUSIES AND INSECURITIES TOWARDS OTHERS....THAT IS SUCH A SORRY AND SAD WAY TO LIVE, IMO.:neenee:

 

[truelyhandicapping]

once again showing your true colors cocapt.

i thought writing about how t chang sucks has a little something to do with the game coming up this friday. Sorry captain, but you and the other local natives are the only one's who think about the passing record. It is a joke record for a joke conference.

Put Rodgers in the wac and i bet he throws for 5,000 yards for each season he played, AT LEAST 5,000 YARDS.


BOISE ST should win the game with ease, but who knows 20+ is a lot. With the terrible def on hawaii, boise will rack up some series points.



maybe yo should stick to analyzing the game and put YOUR EMOTIONS aside for once. look in the mirror one time. once again jumping all over me when i did nothing.


so how did the writeups help you out last week. i have yet to seen a writeup win a football game. and i doubt if i ever will. keep plugging away my friend.:digit:


guess who?


:sofabck







cocaptain on friday when the book comes a knock'in.

 

[Co-Captain]

MODS....IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO KEEP TRULY OUT OF MY TREADS....HE NEVER COMES IN TO IT WITH ANY USEFUL REASON BUT TO MAKE STUPID COMMENTS...AND FRANKLY I AM GETTING SICK OF HIS CRAP....

I STARTED THIS THREAD TO HELP EVERYONE ELSE OUT HERE WITH A LOT OF INFO ON THIS GAME...

AND ALL HE WANTS TO DO WHENEVER I SHARE SUCH A VAST ARRAY OF MY HARD WORK, TIME, INFO, INSIGHTS, ETC WITH EVERYONE ELSE HERE, IS COME IN AND TRY TO SPREAD HIS OBVIOUS JEALOUSIES AND INSECURIES IN IT, BY POSTING STUPID ASS COMMENTS AND BS....

GENERAL, I THINK YOU ALREADY GAVE HIM A STRONG WARNING THE LAST TIME...PLEASE IF YOU CAN, REMIND HIM AGAIN THAT HE AND HIS COMMENTS ARE NOT WELCOME OR NEEDED IN MY THREADS....IF THIS DOESNT STOP, I MAY HAVE TO RECONSIDER IF IT IS REALLY WORTH IT TO EVEN SPEND THIS AMOUNT OF TIME DOING THIS AGAIN....:neenee:

 

[danielousooner]

:discuss: relax man- it's ONLY a chatroom.

lucky for us, fresno/boise st is coming on espn 2 in 15 minutes ( 2 am cent). i'm gonna watch this shizzle and see if i can find something new in boise's d that i missed before. things to rember about fresno/boise and hawaii-

IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT FRESNO GOT ROLLED BY BOISE. BOISE'S FANS HAVE BEEN SCREAMING "BRING ON FRESNO ALL YEAR". AS IT TURNS OUT, FRESNO SUCKS WITHOUT THEIR RUNNING BACK.

FRESNO AVERAGES 170 PG IN THE AIR VS HAWAII'S 343 PG SO HAWAII'S OFFENSE WILL LOOK FAR BETTER THAN FRESNO'S DID.

THE AVERAGE SCORE OF BOISE'S GAMES THIS YEAR=44-25. IF YOU TAKE OUT FRESNO AND IDAHO, BOISE'S D GIVES UP AN AVERAGE OF 31 PPG.

COMMON FOE TULSA-
BOISE 45 TULSA 42
HAWAII 41 TULSA 16

REMEMBER THAT FRESNO HAS NO OFFENSE AND HAWAII AVERAGES 448 TOTAL YARDS PER GAME AND 343 OF THAT COMES AGAINST BOISE'S WEAKNESS-THE PASS. I'M GONNA WATCH AND DECIDE.

BOISE PASS D=103RD OUT OF 117/HAWAII PASS O=2ND OUT OF 117
BOISE HAS THE POOREST SPEED AT CORNER OF ANY TEAM I'VE SEEN ALL YEAR. I'LL BE BACK IN A COUPLE IF I DON'T PASS OUT FIRST.:manwh:

 

[Co-Captain]

DANIEL....DONT WORRY ABOUT IT, BUT BE AWARE OF THIS CLOWN....THIS CLOWN KNOWS THAT HE IS NOT WANTED OR WELCOMED IN MY THREADS BUT HE CONTINUES TO COME IN BECAUSE HE'S LONELY DUE TO NO ONE COMING IN HIS.:neenee:

THE GUY IS TRULYLONELY....AND HE BRINGS NOTHING BUT STUPID AND IGNORANT COMMENTS TO MY THREADS ESPECIALLY LIKE THIS ONE, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO HELP EVERYONE ELSE OUT WITH INFO, INSIGHTS, ETC....IN ORDER FOR EVERYONE TO BEAT THE MAN....

JUST LOOK AT HIS COMMENTS ABOUT RODGER'S PASSING FOR 5,000 YARDS EVERY YEAR IF HE WAS IN THE WAC....WHAT A IGNORANT AND WORTHLESS STATEMENT....THEN HE MAKES A COMMENT ABOUT MY WRITE-UPS AND HOW HE NEVER SEEN A WRITE-UP WIN GAMES....WHAT ANOTHER WORTHLESS AND IGNORANT COMMENT TO MAKE....WRITE-UPS ARE JUST LIKE THIS INFO THREAD, THEY HELP TO INFORM OTHERS ON A PLAY, PLAYERS, MATCHUPS, ETC....IT HELPS ONE TO FIND CONFIDENCE IN MAKING A WAGER FOR A PARTICULAR SIDE....BUT HE IS JEALOUS CAUSE HE CANT DO ONE SO HE COMES IN AND CONTINUE TO MAKE STUPID COMMENTS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY FROM OTHERS THAT CAN AND DO IT TO HELP OTHER OUT....


WHAT IS EVEN MORE AN IGNORANT AND WORTHLESS COMMENT MADE BY HIM...IS THE FACT THAT THIS BREAKING OF THE RECORD IS NO BIG DEAL AT ALL.....WHAT A JOKE HE IS....YEAH NO BIG DEAL, HUH?.....

THATS WHY IT HAS ALREADY BEEN IN PRINT AND SPOKEN ABOUT ON NATIONAL TV SINCE LAST SEASON, HUH.....THAT IS WHY IT IS STILL BEING UPDATED BY NATIONAL SYNDICATED NEWSPAPERS AND WEBSITES.....THAT IS WHY IT WILL AGAIN BE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER THIS GAME IS DONE, NO MATTER WHAT THE RESULTS OF THE GAME TURNS OUT TO BE, SHOULD TIMMY BREAK IT ON FRIDAY....NO BIG DEAL HUH....THAT IS WHY IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE TALKED ABOUT AND COVERED NATIONALLY THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE FOOTBALL SEASON....

YEAH NO BIG DEAL, RIGHT...IT WILL ONLY BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST ACCOMPLISHMENTS MADE BY A PLAYER THIS YEAR AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST ACCOMPLISHMENTS MADE BY A PLAYER IN THE LAST 13 YEARS SINCE TY DID IT.....THIS GUY IS A CLOWN AND I DONT NEED CLOWNS WHO MAKE IGNORANT, WORTHLESS, AND STUPID COMMENTS IN MY THREADS.:neenee:



BTW...THANKS FOR SHARING THE INFORMATION.....GL AND ALOHA CC.