Has sharp money surpassed square money?

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Hey Betallsports,

Q: What is the average # of games the sharps play on Sunday ?
Or does it vary depending on the number of games they see "value" ?

Shouldn't this question be addressed to "piccolo" ? :missingte

Again, I will take a "Guess"
It depends on how many games they see Value on. *Plus Info they get on Players, etc...
 
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Hey Betallsports,

Q: What is the average # of games the sharps play on Sunday ?
Or does it vary depending on the number of games they see "value" ?

Also, you need to remember..Sharps also play Ncaa football, and Other Sports

But, that's just a Guess :drink:
 

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Sharps had the under, just ask Golden Greek who had a 10* on them yesterday. He says he's a sharp.:nohead:

He also lost a 20* and 6 -10*'s this week, so I guess the sharps and bookies got crushed.


All this shit cracks me up, because you really are a sharp if you're lucky to be on the winning side and capped the game right, nothing more.
 
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Sharps had the under, just ask Golden Greek who had a 10* on them yesterday. He says he's a sharp.:nohead:

He also lost a 20* and 6 -10*'s this week, so I guess the sharps and bookies got crushed.


All this shit cracks me up, because you really are a sharp if you're lucky to be on the winning side and capped the game right, nothing more.

Well, I think there is a Difference between a Real Sharp, and the Ones that Think they are Sharp. Like the Golden Greek :ohno:
 

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Well, I think there is a Difference between a Real Sharp, and the Ones that Think they are Sharp. Like the Golden Greek :ohno:

I used to hate GG but he's turned out a little better. I wouldn't say he's sharp though... he just does a tally of ppl's plays which might be effective but dunno if that counts as sharp. That's like saying the cashier is sharper than the accountant >:)
 

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One thing I learned about all this years ago is that almost every sharp there is, eventually goes tout and asks for money for their plays. But in the end, it still comes down to streaks of winning and losing.
Some have great runs, like averson in the NFL here before going tout. Randizzle has a great run going in college. I can see him going tout also.

But with hot streaks always come losing streaks, and that's where most people get in trouble that follow. Playing way over their head and losing all their money.
Go back and read Randizzles discussion tread. Some guys that jumped on his Minny play got crushed and was asking about doubling up on his Oreg St pick.
Betallsports-you know all this, but I thought I'd post it for newbies to read.

The one thing most sharps have that others don't is Money Management.
 
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One thing I learned about all this years ago is that almost every sharp there is, eventually goes tout and asks for money for their plays. But in the end, it still comes down to streaks of winning and losing.
Some have great runs, like averson in the NFL here before going tout. Randizzle has a great run going in college. I can see him going tout also.

But with hot streaks always come losing streaks, and that's where most people get in trouble that follow. Playing way over their head and losing all their money.
Go back and read Randizzles discussion tread. Some guys that jumped on his Minny play got crushed and was asking about doubling up on his Oreg St pick.
Betallsports-you know all this, but I thought I'd post it for newbies to read.

The one thing most sharps have that others don't is Money Management.

Everything is Cool Woody !! and I know that You know your stuff :103631605
 

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Sharps had the under, just ask Golden Greek who had a 10* on them yesterday. He says he's a sharp.:nohead:

He also lost a 20* and 6 -10*'s this week, so I guess the sharps and bookies got crushed.


All this shit cracks me up, because you really are a sharp if you're lucky to be on the winning side and capped the game right, nothing more.


No offense Woody because I dont got a problem with ya, but at least post accurate info on his record.. he had his 10 * on San Fran which was a stronger play (and IMO a sharp play) than his under on the game. He did get crushed with an awful sunday, however, which was accurate.
 

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No offense Woody because I dont got a problem with ya, but at least post accurate info on his record.. he had his 10 * on San Fran which was a stronger play (and IMO a sharp play) than his under on the game. He did get crushed with an awful sunday, however, which was accurate.
Sorry Buddy, I must have looked at it wrong. I just saw the under and jumped on the over.:103631605
 

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LOL, Good Answer ! :103631605

But Not the one I was looking for :drink:

When a # looks off, it could be Many Reasons. But the Biggest one is
BALANCE

The Books will keep a # for Balance. They can get Tons of action on One side, so they put up a number that will make the Avg. Joe THINK, something is wrong.

One of the first things a Bettor will do is Look to see if anyone is Out.

But there is No Key players Out, so what gives ?? Something might be wrong here.

The Linemakers will put a Number out there, that will give Equal Action.

You have to remember, the Book wants and Makes a Lot of Money Just on the Juice Alone.

Of course there are Other Key reasons that go along with the Above.


This is not true. You are kidding yourselves if you dont think these books like to gamble on certain games. There are a few games every week that are so lopsided its laughable and they are not trying to get even action. As far as the sharp/square thing goes thats overrated........when the game ends the whoever had the winning side is the sharp, period.

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I got one more question, do the books make lines by formula alone, or do they plan on a certain team being the more favorite pick?

i know its football and anything can happen, if san francisco doesnt run back the kick off maybe they dont cover and maybe the under still hits also... so things gotta go your way whether your a sharp or a avg joe (like me)

and i think money managment can be a huge part of not getting ur ass kicked but i feel like some lines, example, kansas city vs san diego could be a set up for a avg joes with a perception that KC sucks... do avg joes prefer the favorites? which would make this line appear to be a set up for them in my opinoin
 

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i cant compare the san fran arizona game to the KC game in my opinion because i think right now Arizona is a much better team then San diego and KC might not be too far behind a team like SF who are both seem to be struggling right now
 

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Would it not be foolish to think that all so called Sharps bet the same selection? likewise all Squares. That not being the case then the whole array of selections are completely random as far as the Books are concerned which confirms that they are only interested in getting the maximum vig out of a certain position. Thats why you see numbers jump back and forth leaving the Books to be middled in some situations, however as long as the vig on both sides covers the middle nobody cares. Bookmaking is all about the vig.:drink:
 

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This is not true. You are kidding yourselves if you dont think these books like to gamble on certain games. There are a few games every week that are so lopsided its laughable and they are not trying to get even action. As far as the sharp/square thing goes thats overrated........when the game ends the whoever had the winning side is the sharp, period.

PEACE

The traditional Books with larger betting margins and customers have no reason to Gamble but for tight margin Books like Pinny there comes many a time where their effectively gambling, especially when your movements can knee jerk the market. :drink:
 
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Would it not be foolish to think that all so called Sharps bet the same selection? likewise all Squares. That not being the case then the whole array of selections are completely random as far as the Books are concerned which confirms that they are only interested in getting the maximum vig out of a certain position. Thats why you see numbers jump back and forth leaving the Books to be middled in some situations, however as long as the vig on both sides covers the middle nobody cares. Bookmaking is all about the vig.:drink:


Yes, I agree. Which I think I posted somewhere in this Thread.
Books make their money on the Vig.
 
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This is not true. You are kidding yourselves if you dont think these books like to gamble on certain games. There are a few games every week that are so lopsided its laughable and they are not trying to get even action. As far as the sharp/square thing goes thats overrated........when the game ends the whoever had the winning side is the sharp, period.

PEACE


Nobody here is Kidding their selfs. It has been Known, that there are Some Books that DO gamble.
Best person to jump in here is VD. ( maybe he will see this thread )
Don't know if I want open a can of worms. LOL

But to say that is Why lines are off, well that's just Crazy !
 

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Some good disscusions in this thread. That's what it's all about. Making money in the end.

Best line, but so true line I've read in this thread "The Sharp is the guy with the winning bet"
:lolBIG:

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Good friend of mine in the business says that he doesn't care who wins (sharps vs squares)....the bottom line on Monday is all that matters....

I do know that squares watch too much TV while the sharps are doing their homework....

One more thing, sharps know how to minipulate a line, especially when the squares are on a side...

And books do gamble...only a handful know how....
 

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imho the biggest difference between a professional and a recreational bettor is the following:

a pro gets a fav @ -6.5
everyone else gets in @ -7 or even -7.5 and buys the half

a pro gets u41.5
everyone else gets u40

75% of the time it doesn't matter
the 25% of the time it does matter makes a huge swing in bankroll

money management goes without saying but the average joe can do that as well either by flat betting and definitely by not chasing

but getting the best number is a big sign that someone is taking care of business and getting paid

:toast:
 

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