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Data is not more accurate now because you don’t know the extent of who has it. Death rate is lower than the reported number because they’re only testing the really sick still. Not enough tests to go around still. Hell I know 8-10 people who have it, doctors told them they have it, but they’re not a confirmed positive.

rate much lower and it will drop once they test the less symptomatic peeps.


Wrong.

We've tested over 3.4M people and 2.7M tested negative. So we're obviously not only testing "really sick people" as you claim otherwise there would've been far more positives. No real doctor or an ethical one would ever tell a patient they have the Coronavirus without testing them first.

Of course sample size of 3.4M is far more accurate than 500k. Why wouldn't it be?
 

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Per the table above, I wish we would have followed the lead of China (57 cases per million) or Iran...only 929/1m...that is to say, just don't report the true number knowing there are plenty of people who will believe/quote those stats. To answer your questions: 1) flu deaths surpassed by virus? = c'mon, I know you know the answer to that one 2) California? = Reflection of level of compliance with federal guideline AND Cal state population density. The Task Force docs have covered this. In most states, there is a correlation between population density and positive tests. You probably understand that, for instance, with NYC in the center, the large area of influence based on the number of ppl from surrounding areas that go into the city to work and then take the virus back home. 3) flu vaccine? = When developed, docs/scientists are unsure of the level effectiveness versus the strain(s) of flu that will occur in that season. After the season, they have data...it hasn't been over 50% since 2013. People should practice the guidelines during flu season with or without a vaccine. We don't have to shut down the economy. 4) more or less people affected if no shut down? = More. I'll throw in the "even one life is too many and it's God's will," for the challenged and the rollers. Meanwhile, actions have to be balanced with the potential outcomes. It is a high bar to suspend constitutional rights. When you work in healthcare, you understand that people die, everyday you practice universal precautions (virus or not) and most citizens understand that for about 45 states, this is overreach and scare tactics by both the media and the government who want to take another step to ensure people are totally dependent on them. Let me know if I can answer any more of your questions.

I'll try to answer this jibberish since I'm feeling much better this morning.

1. So far we have over 34k Coronavirus deaths to just 24k flu deaths (2019-20). And the flu season usually comes to an end in April while Coronavirus won't be disappearing anytime soon.

2. I've worked in LA (Downtown) and each morning freeways into the city are jam-packed with people driving into work from the suburbs. Only reason LA didn't end up like NY is due to Governor Newsom instituting the nation's first stay-at-home order and social distancing. Just goes to show how early mitigation tactics work like a charm. Something the Orange idiot should've done in the early days of the outbreak.

3. Flu vaccines were 60% effective in 2010, 56% in 2009 and 48% in 2015. All better than 0% for the Coronavirus. If the predicted death toll for the Coronavirus was 80k, then we wouldn't have had to do stay at home and social distancing except the real death toll was in the MILLIONS. Even with the strictest social measures in recent history, it's going to kill more than the flu.

4. Doesn't matter if some states appear to be "Coronavirus free or lite".... South Dakota just became a hotspot because their idiot Governor refused to adopt stay at home orders. Just goes to show any place USA can become a hotspot without proper social measures.
 

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Wrong.

We've tested over 3.4M people and 2.7M tested negative. So we're obviously not only testing "really sick people" as you claim otherwise there would've been far more positives. No real doctor or an ethical one would ever tell a patient they have the Coronavirus without testing them first.

Of course sample size of 3.4M is far more accurate than 500k. Why wouldn't it be?

Wrong lol

There isn’t enough tests, so if you are showing signs of Covid doctors are ABSOLUTELY telling patients to assume you are infected with Covid so self quarantine. Other than athletes, politicians, celebrities who the hell is getting a test when they’re heathy? No one that’s who.

many have tested negative because they don’t have Covid but another strain of the Flu.

There isn’t a chance on Gods green earth the death rate isn’t lower than reported, it’s an impossibility for it NOT to be. But I wouldn’t expect you to understand this as your bias against this country has you chanting inaccuracies about this virus from day 1.
 

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The death rate follow the same curve as the infected curve. It will go up as the sick test positive then will drop as more wide spread testing gets to the people who’s life is not at risk.
 

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Wrong lol

There isn’t enough tests, so if you are showing signs of Covid doctors are ABSOLUTELY telling patients to assume you are infected with Covid so self quarantine. Other than athletes, politicians, celebrities who the hell is getting a test when they’re heathy? No one that’s who.

many have tested negative because they don’t have Covid but another strain of the Flu.

There isn’t a chance on Gods green earth the death rate isn’t lower than reported, it’s an impossibility for it NOT to be. But I wouldn’t expect you to understand this as your bias against this country has you chanting inaccuracies about this virus from day 1.


Wrong again, as usual.

So you think people who are staying home with little to no symptoms are more likely to test positive for Coronavirus than the "seriously ill people" that you claim are being tested only? Lol. Anyone can go to the hospital claiming to be ill and get tested. There's even drive-thru testing centers all around the US. Testing isn't just reserved for people who are on ventilators in the ICU.

People who are positive for Coronavirus haven't all been tested? No shit, Sherlock. Just like dead people who are suspected to have died from Coronavirus haven't been tested either (according to coroners). Not to mention all the people who didn't seek help and passed away inside their homes. It goes both ways.

Chanting inaccuracies? Lol. I've been saying from the very beginning that this was a real Pandemic and that it would be far worse than the common flu like most of you were swearing that it was. In the prediction threads, I predicted 50,000-100,000 deaths in early March. We're close to 40,000 deaths now so I'm almost spot on. I've also said from the very beginning that masks were crucial and should be worn by everyone. And now masks are required in many places. So how was I wrong again?
 

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The death rate follow the same curve as the infected curve. It will go up as the sick test positive then will drop as more wide spread testing gets to the people who’s life is not at risk.


Sounds exactly like the Hoaxers who said that with more testing, death rate would drop from 1.5% to .5%. It's 5.3% now.

Wrong again, as usual.

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Sounds exactly like the Hoaxers who said that with more testing, death rate would drop from 1.5% to .5%. It's 5.3% now.

Wrong again, as usual.

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They are basically only testing advanced stage patients. If you have symptoms your PCP is telling you to stay home and self quarantine without testing. If you have no symptoms you're not getting tested. Those are the "rules" being used in Massachusetts and I'm guessing most everywhere.
 

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They are basically only testing advanced stage patients. If you have symptoms your PCP is telling you to stay home and self quarantine without testing. If you have no symptoms you're not getting tested. Those are the "rules" being used in Massachusetts and I'm guessing most everywhere.

This is 100% true, have friends in the medical field who work in the hospitals.

They do not test you, only testing people who are very sick and also have heard they are testing people in care facilities also...

If they ever did any widespread, large group antibody testing for this right now I am going to be the amount of people who have already been exposed
and have antibodies for it are going to be be far above what is thought.

This was here long before we were even talking about it and any measures of social distance, lock downs, etc were being implemented.
A large amount of people already have antibodies for this

We need to start testing different areas of the country right now to find this out.
I guarantee the results will surprise...
 

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This is 100% true, have friends in the medical field who work in the hospitals.

They do not test you, only testing people who are very sick and also have heard they are testing people in care facilities also...

If they ever did any widespread, large group antibody testing for this right now I am going to be the amount of people who have already been exposed
and have antibodies for it are going to be be far above what is thought.

This was here long before we were even talking about it and any measures of social distance, lock downs, etc were being implemented.
A large amount of people already have antibodies for this

We need to start testing different areas of the country right now to find this out.
I guarantee the results will surprise...


This is not true .
i took the test last week and had no symptoms whatsoever .
So did 7 other people I work with .
none of us had as much as a cold or fever.
There are many people who take the test for many different reasons.
In my case it was required by my job .

And if this thing is still hot 6 weeks from now I’m gonna take the test again .
 
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This is not true .
i took the test last week and had no symptoms whatsoever .
So did 7 other people I work with .
none of us had as much as a cold or fever.
There are many people who take the test for many different reasons.
In my case it was required by my job .

And if this thing is still hot 6 weeks from now I’m gonna take the test again .

We specified, Massachusetts. What we said is true in Massachusetts.
 

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This is not true .
i took the test last week and had no symptoms whatsoever .
So did 7 other people I work with .
none of us had as much as a cold or fever.
There are many people who take the test for many different reasons.
In my case it was required by my job .

And if this thing is still hot 6 weeks from now I’m gonna take the test again .


That's exactly what I've been hearing also. Lots of people with no symptoms taking tests especially medical workers for the simple fact they were around others who tested positive. Also those who claim to have symptoms who may or may not really have them.

If only seriously ill people were being tested, why did they open nearly 600 drive-thru testing sites in the US? If I'm seriously ill, I'm driving to the ER not to a testing only site that takes several days (up to a week) to get the results back. That would be dumb as hell. Not to mention there would be far more positive tests than just 20% if they exclusively tested seriously ill only.
 
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It’s not true. They aren’t just testing people very sick. Makes no sense. Why would you do that? And allow people who are in the early stages to be undetected? That’s illogical.


People don’t understand this. This is the entire narrative they are pushing...


For instance, the 3400-3700 deaths not tested but they put as covid deaths. They had to choose not to test the already very sick people.

It makes sense if you are trying to contain the virus. Why waste a test on someone already very sick?


This is what the right wing political whackos pushing this agenda do not understand
 

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It’s not true. They aren’t just testing people very sick. Makes no sense. Why would you do that? And allow people who are in the early stages to be undetected? That’s illogical.


People don’t understand this. This is the entire narrative they are pushing...


For instance, the 3400-3700 deaths not tested but they put as covid deaths. They had to choose not to test the already very sick people.

It makes sense if you are trying to contain the virus. Why waste a test on someone already very sick?


This is what the right wing political whackos pushing this agenda do not understand


Yup. Especially with lots of asymptomatic people spreading it around.
 

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Another Monday still locked down...

Maybe next week enflameo...

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We specified, Massachusetts. What we said is true in Massachusetts.

Still not testing asymptomatic people in the Commonwealth. Well, maybe if you're on the Celtics or Bruins. Maybe if you're a nurse or doctor.
But healthy people will get laughed off the phone if they call they're doctor looking to be tested.

I agree with the premise that asymptomatic people should be tested so they're not knowingly spreading it, but we are not close to that yet.
 

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